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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:21 PM

 

Where I am working you need a badge to go through

any door. You hold your badge before a box on the wall to unlock the door.

Even the main entrance is like that. Unless you are issued s badge you canít get in.

All the bathrooms have s key pad.

Would this work for school security?

Every student and teacher is issued a badge.

You would not be able to get in the building or any class room without a badge.

The doors open out. You have to call on s phone if you canít get in.

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Reply Where I am working you need a badge to go through (Original post)
wasupaloopa Apr 2019 OP
htuttle Apr 2019 #1
PupCamo Apr 2019 #2
NutmegYankee Apr 2019 #3
wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #4
NutmegYankee Apr 2019 #8
wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #9
NutmegYankee Apr 2019 #12
lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #5
Lucid Dreamer Apr 2019 #6
Rebl2 Apr 2019 #7
Codeine Apr 2019 #10
mercuryblues Apr 2019 #11
AllaN01Bear Apr 2019 #13
BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #14

Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:22 PM

1. That's how a lot of college dorms are kept secure nowadays, too

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:24 PM

2. how hard would it be to steal or clone a badge

if you really wanted to

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:25 PM

3. Beyond the Prison like feel, kids would forget badges - often.

It would also slow down the flow between classes. A 10 minute break between bells wouldn't work if kids had to queue at every classroom door.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:28 PM

4. Well it is better than arming the teachers or s mass shooting.

 

Tough problems require tough dolutions

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:33 PM

8. You're flirting with the false dichotomy fallacy.

It's far easier to just have security at a main entrance like most schools have now. And none of these methods protect against "insider threat". A child hiding guns on them could just go right in using their badge.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:37 PM

9. You know, just because there is a what if we don't stop trying.

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:44 PM

12. There has to be a reasonable limit.

The risk is very low. Dramatically disrupting school life is not called for with such a low risk. We could spend ourselves to bankruptcy in every school district and still not prevent every event. Hell, some options like metal detectors actually help an attack. The mass queuing of people with limited exits makes them very vulnerable to an attack from the rear where a shooter would hardly need to aim.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:29 PM

5. when I was in High School

we had a very progressive high school with a brand new principle.

This principle would stand outside the main entrance every morning and greet all 800 students by name, sometimes with a handshake and quick question like "how is it going" or "you getting an A on your math test today?"

Every day, every student (along with the assistant principle and maybe a couple of teachers).

not only was it a light touch security check, it made you feel special.

He had a phenomenal memory for details.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:29 PM

6. Token access will certainly be coming to more schools.

If they implant the RFID chips, they can't forget them.
Scary, isn't it?

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:30 PM

7. Can you imagine

giving a grade school kid a badge? Many would always being losing it. Donít think it would work. Wish it would though.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:37 PM

10. I don't want my kids living like they're in a prison

or a high-security military emplacement. The dehumanization isnít offset by the small increase in safety (seriously, statically the vast majority of kids will be just fine).

Plus, kids forget shit. My daughter goes to school in a non-traditional campus spread over several very busy downtown city blocks, surrounded by restaurants, offices, govít buildings, and a couple of museums. Because of this all the kids must wear lanyards with IDs which are constantly being left at home to be frantically delivered by harried parents in the mornings. Itís a shitshow.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:42 PM

11. Considering most school shooters

are also students with badges...

The Sandy Hook killer shot his way through the doors...

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:59 PM

13. dear sirs.

my late mom was a school teacher . during summer break shed work at another schoo district in east los angles. before school the teachers would have to lock themselves in the classroom before class. that is how bad the environment for those teachers was. shame teachers and others have to do this but , it is , what it is .

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:31 PM

14. No way...I was an elementary school teacher and kids lose and forget

stuff all the time and so do their parents. After school they would have to wait to be picked up and we teachers had to wait with them. I spent over 1/2 hour a day helping adults and kids with cell phones try to find each other since none could remember their damn passwords or find their phones (like I am supposed to remember them for 25 kids???!!!). Badges would get lost, forgotten, etc. Besides, schools will bitch about the added costs too...just wait.

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