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Wed May 1, 2019, 11:15 AM

Leahy and Feinstein are getting old.

Leahy should be doing a much better job imo.

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Reply Leahy and Feinstein are getting old. (Original post)
mobeau69 May 2019 OP
ksoze May 2019 #1
sarabelle May 2019 #66
hlthe2b May 2019 #2
mobeau69 May 2019 #19
hlthe2b May 2019 #20
mr_lebowski May 2019 #23
hlthe2b May 2019 #25
mr_lebowski May 2019 #28
mobeau69 May 2019 #27
hlthe2b May 2019 #31
Demit May 2019 #49
hlthe2b May 2019 #51
hlthe2b May 2019 #52
Demit May 2019 #53
hlthe2b May 2019 #55
Demit May 2019 #60
hlthe2b May 2019 #62
Demit May 2019 #69
hlthe2b May 2019 #71
Demit May 2019 #72
hlthe2b May 2019 #73
MarcA May 2019 #70
lunatica May 2019 #38
vsrazdem May 2019 #39
DURHAM D May 2019 #3
a kennedy May 2019 #6
BeyondGeography May 2019 #7
mobeau69 May 2019 #21
DURHAM D May 2019 #24
mobeau69 May 2019 #50
Kilgore May 2019 #77
geardaddy May 2019 #61
BeyondGeography May 2019 #4
Chin music May 2019 #35
marlakay May 2019 #5
hlthe2b May 2019 #8
marlakay May 2019 #10
StarfishSaver May 2019 #34
vsrazdem May 2019 #41
Joe941 May 2019 #59
LakeArenal May 2019 #9
Sunsky May 2019 #11
Boxerfan May 2019 #12
awesomerwb1 May 2019 #13
Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #15
treestar May 2019 #18
hlthe2b May 2019 #22
emmaverybo May 2019 #74
Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #14
lunatica May 2019 #40
Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #57
lunatica May 2019 #58
Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #63
lunatica May 2019 #64
Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #75
hlthe2b May 2019 #81
karynnj May 2019 #16
treestar May 2019 #17
WeekiWater May 2019 #26
StarfishSaver May 2019 #29
redstatebluegirl May 2019 #30
LovingA2andMI May 2019 #32
redstatebluegirl May 2019 #33
lunatica May 2019 #43
pazzyanne May 2019 #76
mobeau69 May 2019 #37
lunatica May 2019 #48
nolabear May 2019 #56
llmart May 2019 #45
emmaverybo May 2019 #68
Glimmer of Hope May 2019 #78
highplainsdem May 2019 #36
lamp_shade May 2019 #42
mobeau69 May 2019 #46
oasis May 2019 #44
LanternWaste May 2019 #47
MineralMan May 2019 #54
emmaverybo May 2019 #65
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walkingman May 2019 #79
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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:17 AM

1. Was just thinking the same thing

They need to go at him like a republican would to a Dem AG.

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Response to ksoze (Reply #1)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:46 PM

66. They were pretty useless. Just like with Kavanaugh.

 

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:17 AM

2. Actually no. He is right on target and holding Barr's feet to the fire. Knock off the blatant ageism

It is really ugly.

Do you say this about Ruth Bader Ginsburg--the absolute jewel of the SCOTUS?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:10 PM

19. Come on! Different talents required to excel in different positions.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #19)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:12 PM

20. yet YOU boil it all down to age. How damned ugly, mobeau69. Shameful

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:19 PM

23. Would it be better if mobeau69 had instead said they suck at their job?

Just askin

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #23)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:21 PM

25. Do you really need an answer to that, mr_lebowski? Really? What bullshit to suggest

that ageism is not an issue or that it prevents one from critiquing performance on purely objective, age-independant review.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #25)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:25 PM

28. *I* didn't *suggest* anything, I merely asked a rhetorical question ... (nt)

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:25 PM

27. No. But I believe in science and the science of aging.

Why do you think a lot of careers have mandatory retirement ages?

Your ad hominem attack on me is an ad hominem attack!

I'm old so I do speak with some personal experience.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #27)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:30 PM

31. Obviously not, given you fail to appreciate that aging varies dramatically among individuals

You offer the ad hominem attack on anyone based on age and our Democratic Senators specifically. I said NOTHING regarding you personally. I find your and other's ageist comments and attitudes to be ugly and uninformed. I am sure you, on the other hand, are a "lovely" person, but you really ought to do some research and self-exploration before deciding to judge everyone's abilities purely on age.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #31)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:51 PM

49. You seem to concede that ageing CAN affect some individuals adversely.

 

If it variesódramatically, as you sayóthen some older individuals will exhibit a physical and/or mental slowing down. Noticing it in someone isn't an attack, it's observation.

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Response to Demit (Reply #49)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:52 PM

51. Lack of of experience, training, practice, and qualifications affects far more.

and yes, THAT varies among individuals TOO.

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Response to Demit (Reply #49)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:55 PM

52. As does Youth and Inexperience (affect some individuals adversely). Can YOU deny THAT?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #52)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:04 PM

53. Good grief. I missed where the subject turned to youth and inexperience.

 

Except as a way to divert attention from you conceding that ageing does sometimes have dramatic effects.

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Response to Demit (Reply #53)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:07 PM

55. Oh, no... Ageism is just fine apparently. Good gawd. So, now we can't talk about the flip side

That not only does age vary in its effects among individuals, but so too does the impact of youth and lack of experience, practice, education, and qualifications.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #55)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:54 PM

60. So that would make the flip side of ageism...youthism?

 

The scourge of youthism! Yes, of course youth implies a lack of experience, unless you are Benjamin Button. But lack of experience and the other things you list are not physical and biological characteristics.

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Response to Demit (Reply #60)

Wed May 1, 2019, 02:03 PM

62. Your attempts to excuse the outrageous ageism demonstrated on this thread is noted but ineffectual

including your feeble attempts to deflect. I had thought better of you.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #62)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:36 PM

69. "aging varies dramatically among individuals." Your words.

 

Wouldn't want to deflect from what you originally said!

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Response to Demit (Reply #69)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:37 PM

71. Yes... And? You keep deflecting from that.

I find it unconscionable that anyone here would defend ageism. That you seemingly are doing so surprises and disappoints me, but I'm done.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #71)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:40 PM

72. That's a relief, that you're done. Having to point out what you said was getting old.

 

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Response to Demit (Reply #72)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:41 PM

73. I never denied what I said.. you fail to make any point.

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Response to Demit (Reply #60)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:36 PM

70. Good points. Those opposed to "ageism" should have no problem approving 18

as the age for running for Any Office including House, Senate and President.
Also, 16 if you join the military or national service. After all to do otherwise is
"ageist".

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #27)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:37 PM

38. You shouldn't have said that

Trying to dissimulate after the fact to pretend you donít understand why anyone would criticize you just makes you look foolish.

Iím old too but Iím quite capable of holding my own with any young person. I also have self respect, which makes me wonder why you are obviously an ageist.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:45 PM

39. Agree, but the problem is, he mumbles so much, I can't understand half of what he is saying.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:17 AM

3. It would be more appropriate if you commented on

Senator Grassley's senility.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #3)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:19 AM

6. Ditto that......

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #3)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:20 AM

7. Grassley was very shaky

Good to see.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #3)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:13 PM

21. So you agree, age can be a consideration.

Why would I critique Grassley's ability. He's a rethuglican. Let them figure it out on their own.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #21)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:20 PM

24. No.

This is Democratic Underground. Here you should be attacking Republicans not Democrats.

Thought that was obvious but perhaps not for some people.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #24)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:51 PM

50. Wasn't "attacking" anyone. Just stated my honest opinion.

I hope that's still allowed.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #50)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:48 PM

77. Bravo

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #3)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:57 PM

61. +1

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:18 AM

4. Leahy got under Barr's skin in a big way

He still takes no prisoners.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:33 PM

35. +1

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:18 AM

5. I just told my husband this

Dianne is saying the right things but we need more force to go up against someone like him.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #5)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:21 AM

8. It isn't her age. She's not an attorney so is always more reticent. She was prepared, however

and there was nothing held back by Leahy.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:23 AM

10. I like them both and I didn't see Leahy

Just was wishing for more fire.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #10)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:33 PM

34. This is not the time or venue for "fire"

 

This is serious stuff and the Democratic Judiciary Committee members are trying to get to the bottom of some things and also create a record to lay the groundwork for impeachment.

Grandstanding and yelling at the witness might make some of us feel good, but we already know this is a criminal administration and don't need to be convinced of anything.

Let Trump and his Republican enablers try to confuse and obfuscate with thunder and bluster. I appreciate thr thorough and thoughtful approach our Senators are taking.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #5)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:46 PM

41. I hope Kamala is there. I wan't to hear her question him.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #5)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:46 PM

59. Leave age out of it. If you don't like how they handled Bar - fine...

 

but leave the age out of it. It has nothing to do with anything. So just stop.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:22 AM

9. Quit. Just quit.

This old thing gets so old.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:23 AM

11. I think Leahy did a wonderful job

of showing Barr's inconsistencies. Barr was clearly flustered, trying to avoid the questions and searching for excuses.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:24 AM

12. And they have so much experience...wasup with that?

Fogies-harumph.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:40 AM

13. So science is ageist?

No offense or disrespect meant, but if science/doctors have proven mental decline the older we get, are they being ageists???

You guys don't see a difference in questioning between say a Katie Porter or Al Franken vs Diane Feinstein? Please.

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #13)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:49 AM

15. Or others like Whitehouse now! Succinct and effective.

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #13)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:52 AM

18. And specific proof that these individuals are

not the same as they were before?

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Response to treestar (Reply #18)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:13 PM

22. they aren't about to address the lack of factual basis for this...but yes, it is totally lacking

Comparing different individuals with different skill sets hardly proves an age decline argument.

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #13)

Wed May 1, 2019, 07:37 PM

74. Also have proven the brain is plastic

Example, personal one, but not the only one: my mom at 90 got pretty forgetful on minor things, but she sure could give a great analysis of a play, a political figureóand at the time of her death was reading a book about North Korea.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:47 AM

14. My dear Mobeau, don't you know you can't make

purely observational comments here. Without getting the word police after you? You are very right. You just can't say it.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #14)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:45 PM

40. This comment really surprises me coming from you.

Generalized Ageist derogatory comments show the mentality of the user. No word police are needed to show the biased ignorance and stereotyping prejudice of the commenter, no matter his or her age.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #40)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:13 PM

57. I was referring to the word old. Can't say that here

or you get pounced on. But everyone can use common sense to know what old means without getting all upset about it. I don't think everyone who is older is the same though. Age affects people differently. Some people remain sharp, effective, and eloquent. Some do not. I believe the OP was trying to point this out. It could also be a bit of boredom and lack of preparation mixed in.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #57)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:29 PM

58. OK. I misunderstood your comment and I apologize

Iím glad my respect for you can remain intact.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #58)

Wed May 1, 2019, 02:52 PM

63. Thanks. Probably not a good day for me to be here.

Might be nicer...just frustrated to the nth degree. Feel trump gonna get away with everything.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #63)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:17 PM

64. The Trump issue is stretching everyone's patience to the breaking point

Weíre definitely living in historic times.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #64)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:20 PM

75. Yes Lunatica ! For me, I was stupid to put all my hopes on Mueller report. Geez

it is happening NOTHING like I naively expected. I think Trump much more of an evil master of it all than I ever dreamed. Wish Dems would get the very best political minds (carville, for instance) + nyc ad men + hollywood creatives with access to lots of money and go away for a retreat weekend and figure this MF out - and how to proceed. Normal ain't good enough.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #75)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:52 AM

81. You aren't alone...

I feel like the "protective armor" I've worn the past two years has been ripped away by disillusion. Trying to hold onto what is left, though.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:50 AM

16. I thought they were both excellent

It seems you might prefer fireworks ... And that would get huge applause here ... But both if these people are former prosecutors, acting professionally and getting facts on the record.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:52 AM

17. If they were younger they would still get called weak

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:23 PM

26. Leahy is great.

 

Then again, I dislike reality TV shows and drama for the sake of drama as well.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:27 PM

29. They've both been excellent

 

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:28 PM

30. As an old woman, I am growing weary of the constant age bashing going on here.

Guess what folks, all of us get old, you will as well, no matter how vegan you are or how much exercise you do, it comes to get you. You won't like being told you are not worth listening to once you reach a certain age anymore than I do.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #30)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:30 PM

32. Agreed....

The Age Discrimination posts here are getting beyond TIRED!!!

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #32)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:33 PM

33. My mind works just fine thank you very much.

My body hates me, but my mind is great. I still work, I write and edit educational papers and I will hold my work to anyone of those bashing Nancy and Chuck.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #33)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:48 PM

43. I'm right there with you.

Itís time to put a halt to these derogatory insults.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #33)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:36 PM

76. I'm a member of your team, too, redstatebluegirl.

At 75 years young, my brain is one thing that still works very well. My 94 year old mother was also still sharp as a tack. And yes, my doctor has told as well that my brain is still hitting on all 8 cylinders. I believe that there is a place for experience and wisdom as well as a place for new ideas and high energy in any discussion. In my experience those things do not come all rolled up in one body!

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #30)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:36 PM

37. It's not bashing. Its just a fact of life (as you point out).

40 years ago I hiked down Bright Angel Trail in The Grand Canyon all the way to the Colorado. Down and back up in one day. I just tried it last fall and nearly killed myself! I was able to stay overnight at Phantom Ranch, thanks to a very nice Ranger. Took all the next day to get back up to the rim. Thought i was gonna die!

The mental and the physical eventually are the victims of time. To try and deny it is pure folly.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #37)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:50 PM

48. Then I suggest you go to a doctor for a checkup

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #37)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:08 PM

56. Hiking and questioning are rather different.

I canít run a marathon either but I can darned weíll get yet another advanced degree and chair a board of directors.

Itís not the age. Itís the health and condition.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #30)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:48 PM

45. I am so with you on this post.

I'm also getting sick of the "get off my lawn" responses which we all know is a snide way of saying that what us older people post is not relevant any longer.

I've never heard the phrase "with youth comes wisdom" but I sure have heard "with age comes wisdom". We need to have more emphasis on pointing out ageist comments here on DU. Some posters need to be made more aware of it.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #30)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:20 PM

68. Good these folks still around because there's a certain segregation

between older and younger people. We oldies leave the workforce, so you donít interact with us there. We take classes at the senior center, among our own, so as not to stand out, perhaps embarrassingly, in groups of young learners, whom we are told are the future. We have been told our future is not worth investing in, so we often hide our dreams, our plans, our desire to continue growing from society. We take Great Courses online, exercise with the Silver Sneakers crowd, sometimes wonder ourselves if we have a right to take up singing, learn a new instrument, write a book.
What is greatófor us and for youthóis that politics shows us old people at the peak of their productivity, when experience, knowledge, intelligence combined with true devotion to public service all comes together. The old warriors might not speak as fast, as loudly, as sharply as the young Turks, but finesse is their specialty, and they know where the land mines lie because they have driven over them before, like the new ones do now and then wonder at the explosion.
So I enjoy seeing Leah, Feinstein, Pelosi, Cummins still fighting, still standing up to fight, if not as erectly as they once did.
Iím glad to see Biden and Bernie get in the race for the highest office in the land.
They could be cruising the world, not trying to save it according to their lights.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #30)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:58 PM

78. I am so sorry! Everyone should feel welcome on a progressive discussion forum.

The fat shaming makes me sad too.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:34 PM

36. They did very well. AND they have seniority, which is extremely important in the Senate.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:46 PM

42. Did you listen to their questions?

I don't think you did.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #42)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:49 PM

46. I tried but it was a little difficult. I'm old and my hearing ain't what is used to be!

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:48 PM

44. Both senators have excellent staffers. nt

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:49 PM

47. Pre-pubescent doctors and tween lawyers would be fab!

 

Experience is over-rated, practice is a waste of time, desire for maturity is anti-youth ageism...




and patience is certainly not a common thing these days.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:05 PM

54. As will you, one day, if you are lucky.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:41 PM

65. People tend to do that

Age, get older, then get old. Like death, happens to everyone. But until death, most retain their individuality, creative and intellectual gifts, sense of humor, ability to love, capacity for joy; even dementia does not erase many of these qualities.
Even illness, disability.
You will get old too and just as you notice the outward signs in others now, you will notice them in yourself.
Hopefully, you will understand that becoming old need not diminish you.
Good way to prepare for age is to work on your attitude while you are young.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:49 PM

67. You think age is impairing their ability to do their jobs.

Interesting. Obviously, while this does happenóI hadnít noticed it this case. It seems more of a question of style.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:09 AM

79. I just think they are from a generation that finds it distasteful to act like an ass in public.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 01:11 AM

80. I did not watch any of the hearings today,

so I cannot comment on that.

But there's a certain denial here that age really can matter, and that someone pushing 80, or well into their 80s may not really be quite as sharp and as on top of things as someone a couple of decades or so younger. Yeah, I know experience matters. But it's not the only thing.

I recall Democrats complaining bitterly about Strom Thurmond, and hearing stories that the last years he was essentially so senile he had no clue who he was or where he was.

Now I'm not suggesting that the two people mentioned are in that category, but Jesus H Christ! If you're going to propose a term or age limit on Supreme Court justices, which has often been brought up here, maybe the same thing should apply to members of Congress.

I'm 70. I no longer go to a job every day. And it's wonderful! I can't imagine trying, even at this relatively young (compared to some in Congress) age trying to do half of what's needed to be a decent Representative or Senator.

The other issue that is overlooked is the need to cultivate the younger generation to move into positions of leadership. That's something the Republicans have done an excellent job of. Meanwhile, if certain older Democrats were to have something terrible happen, well, too bad. There's no one in the pipeline.

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