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Sat May 4, 2019, 03:59 PM

It's the Obama economy, stupid!

Why am I not seeing every single Dem giving credit to Obama and the American people on the economy every time it is brought up? I just saw on CNN that people are giving Trump 56% approval on his "handling of the economy." (Please. That's a push poll, most likely accidental, but a push poll. The question itself implies that Trump should get credit for the economy.)

We need to dispute that Trump deserves any credit–not question it, dispute it with complete self-assurance. We need to make it seem churlish, grasping, and arrogantly credit-grabbing for Trump to even suggest that he deserves any credit for Obama's economy. We shouldn't say, "Trump is 'forgetting' to credit Obama" or other forms of weak tea. We should say "It's Obama and the American people's economy. Trump can take credit for the weak-to-nonexistent gains in coal, steel, auto manufacturing, and the deep losses to rural communities thanks to his trade wars."

Currently, I'm seeing some of our folks trying to "pivot" on the question of the economy by saying un-useful things such as, "Americans are interested in issues other than the economy, like immigration, healthcare..." and so forth. That's not good; that's bad. Sure, by all means, pivot. But start with, "It's Obama's and the American People's economy, not Trump's. Trump's just putting his name on something he didn't have anything to do with again."

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Reply It's the Obama economy, stupid! (Original post)
gulliver May 2019 OP
uponit7771 May 2019 #1
TwilightZone May 2019 #5
FBaggins May 2019 #2
gulliver May 2019 #4
TwilightZone May 2019 #6
gulliver May 2019 #8
TwilightZone May 2019 #11
gulliver May 2019 #12
TwilightZone May 2019 #24
gulliver May 2019 #25
gabeana May 2019 #19
TwilightZone May 2019 #23
Cattledog May 2019 #3
gulliver May 2019 #18
hughee99 May 2019 #7
gulliver May 2019 #9
kacekwl May 2019 #10
gulliver May 2019 #14
thegoose May 2019 #13
gulliver May 2019 #17
NoMoreRepugs May 2019 #15
gulliver May 2019 #16
NoMoreRepugs May 2019 #31
AlexSFCA May 2019 #20
gulliver May 2019 #21
TwilightZone May 2019 #35
House of Roberts May 2019 #22
TNNurse May 2019 #26
John Fante May 2019 #27
Perseus May 2019 #28
Thomas Hurt May 2019 #29
Cha May 2019 #30
doc03 May 2019 #32
TwilightZone May 2019 #34
Gothmog May 2019 #33
LibFarmer May 2019 #36

Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:03 PM

1. K&R, Only Trump sychophants are giving him any credit for the economy

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:14 PM

5. Sadly, that's not the case.

His approval ratings on the economy are in the 50s, with a 54% average.

That can't all be Trump's base, because there aren't enough of them.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval_economy-6182.html

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:10 PM

2. Because that's a hard sell if it's still looking good four years later

Especially after virtually everyone on the left is on record predicting a rapid decline if he were elected.

Might have been different if we had said “the economy we built is so strong that even four years of Trump can’t hurt it” - but that’s not how elections are run.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #2)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:13 PM

4. Hehe. Yeah, right.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #4)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:16 PM

6. Nah, it's an accurate statement.

It's difficult to convince people that this is just a continuation of Obama's economy a couple years into Trump's term. The polls show that pretty clearly.

Trump's approval ratings on the economy are in the mid 50s. That's more than just his base. People are buying that he's responsible, and that's a problem.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval_economy-6182.html

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #6)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:25 PM

8. Hehe (again). Nah, it's way, way, way wrong.

The case is very, very strong that Trump doesn't deserve credit. We need to make the case and make it very strongly. It's the truth. What's the alternative? Let Trump take all of the credit for something he doesn't deserve to take credit for?

That's just silly. That's the difficult thing to do in my opinion. Live in silly defeatism when we can act for truth.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #8)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:32 PM

11. The case is strong, but many people don't believe it.

The polls are consistent and have been for some time now. It's very, very difficult to convince people that a guy who's been president for 2.5 years doesn't deserve credit for the economy, even when there's plenty of evidence that it's just a continuation of trends begun under President Obama.

We can ignore reality, but that doesn't make it any less real. People give him credit - a solid majority - and it's going to be something we'll have to deal with for 2020.

It's not defeatism. It's realism. The alternative is intentional ignorance.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:39 PM

12. Trump is super, super doubtable now.

Simply dispute Trump's claim and do it knowing that his claim is wrong. It is. Dispute Trump's erroneous claim repeatedly. Will it change people's minds? Yes, it will. Will it "convince" them? Not really. But will it cause them to doubt Trump (which is the whole point)? Yes, it will. Trump is super, super doubtable now. People will start to associate his claims on the economy with his tendency to be a bloviating liar.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #12)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:24 PM

24. "Trump is super, super doubtable now."

No more so than he's been through the prior 10,000 lies. Most people have known he's a liar for years. Many have known for decades. Some care; some don't.

Nearly everyone made up their minds on Trump years ago. Pointing out a few more lies isn't going to make anyone have an epiphany.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #24)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:33 PM

25. His claiming credit for the economy can't help but seem like "just another Trump whopper"

He's the boy who cried wolf. No one really believes anything he says anymore. In fact, if he says something, such as that he deserves credit for the economy, I think it actually makes people believe it less. We can help that process by justifiably asserting that Trump deserves little or no credit for the good part of the economy, and huge share the blame for the bad part.

As I say, he made a bunch of promises to people that he did not keep. For Trump to say he helped rural folks, auto workers, steel workers, and coal workers would simply be an outright lie. The difference is, this election they will know it from personal experience. Dems can win these people back and improve their lives.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Sat May 4, 2019, 05:13 PM

19. I understand your point

but maybe the polls are that way because Dems and former Obama officials are not deservedly claiming credit for saving the economy from Bush.
Trump takes credit for any and everything, so do his mouth pieces,
and then that narrative becomes "true" in many minds because there is no push back

This is Obama's economy and Trumps policy are going to eventually devastate us. Something like it needs to be part of the Dem message

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Response to gabeana (Reply #19)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:22 PM

23. Some have, including President Obama

He's mocked Trump for taking credit for the economy on several occasions. Here are a couple from a quick search:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/us/politics/trump-obama-economy.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/02/obama-trump-economy-republicans-959046

Off the top of my head, I also recall Hoyer and Pelosi criticizing the administration for taking credit for the economy.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:10 PM

3. Obama dropped the unemployment rate from 10.7% to 4.6%

That was a huge accomplishment.

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Response to Cattledog (Reply #3)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:59 PM

18. Good to remind people of that, imo

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:23 PM

7. Which one are we doing? "It's Obama's economy" or "the economy isn't as good as they're saying"

We should only do one or the other, not both.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #7)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:29 PM

9. Do both. Of course.

The good parts, the GDP, employment, and stock market trends are Obama's and the American People's. Those trends began with Obama and have tracked exactly as they tracked under Obama. The bad parts are Trump's and are Trump's broken promises to boot. That includes the "Carrier" jobs, coal jobs, steel jobs, and auto manufacturing jobs. That includes the huge losses to farmers and their surrounding rural communities.

A huge number of the very people who voted for Trump can't answer yes the question "are you better off?" For them, Trump's crowing about the economy should be nothing less than an insult.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:29 PM

10. Everyone always touts the great economy but

I never hear any discussion regarding what trump policies are responsible for it. He's riding coattails is all.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #10)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:51 PM

14. I agree.

My concern is that Trump's Republican policies will do to us what they did in George W. Bush's second term. Obama didn't follow Dubya's coattails, and that was great for everyone.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:48 PM

13. All Dump has done is giving the treasury to the 1%

He just hate tweets, stuffs his disgusting gob with garbage food, watches Faux Nooz and thinks of ways to do horrible things to others.

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Response to thegoose (Reply #13)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:57 PM

17. He gave away the store

Not to mention he's undermining the Constitution.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:52 PM

15. Ballooning deficits, historic tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations,

after a 160%+ turnaround in the stock market and the longest sustained recovery in history...tRumpys economy isn't going to last IMHO.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #15)

Sat May 4, 2019, 04:54 PM

16. Agreed. If anything, Trump splurged on the wealthy and debt and set us up for a fall.

Trump is Dubya all over again, only worse.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #16)

Sat May 4, 2019, 08:23 PM

31. A toilet covered in gold is still a toilet.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 05:25 PM

20. you wouldn't say that if the economy was bad

Unfortunately, we can’t dismiss the fact that trump managed to not screw up the economy. Most surprisingy, unemployment rates are extremely low.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #20)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:03 PM

21. If the trend changed from good to bad, I personally would blame Trump quite a bit.

That's what happened from Clinton to Bush (Dubya).

If the trend had been bad under Obama and stayed bad, Trump would not deserve much blame. If it changed from a bad trend to a good trend under Trump, then Trump would deserve quite a bit credit. (That's what happened under Obama, and that's why he deserves credit for the continued good trend under Trump.)

Finally, if the trend under Obama was good and stayed good under Trump (as we have now), Trump doesn't get much credit. Some, but not much.

Unemployment rates being low? I heard statistics on CNN saying that part of that is people leaving the work force. Boomers are retiring in droves. I am one of them, although I have not retired yet. I don't necessarily think that's a good thing. More workers means more people paying into Social Security, buying homes, buying services, etc.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #20)

Sun May 5, 2019, 12:09 AM

35. He wants it both ways.

He wants voters to credit Obama for the good and blame Trump for the bad. The problem is that voters tend to not be that great at nuance, so it doesn't really work like that in the real world.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:18 PM

22. Obama kept the economy improving as the deficit went down

Trump is having to increase the deficit to do the same thing.

Year Deficit

2008 $459
2009 $1,413
2010 $1,294
2011 $1,300
2012 $1,087
2013 $679
2014 $485
2015 $438
2016 $585
2017 $665
2018 (est) $779
2019 (est) $1,091
2020 (est) $1,101
2021 (est) $1,068

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:36 PM

26. How many of these new jobs

are paying a living wage? How many of them are second and third jobs so the worker can pay rent and buy food??? Numbers are not the only measure.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:51 PM

27. Trump is such a loathsome figure, even a bullish economy isn't giving

him the popularity bounce that it should. For comparison, look at GWB's numbers between January 1989 and July 1991. He too rode the coattails of the robust economy he inherited, but his approval ratings were in the 70% range. They approached 90% after Desert Storm.

Trump meanwhile struggles to hit 43% and routinely drops below 40%. Laughable ineptitude given that the unemployment rate is at 3.6%. Someone in his position would he a shoe-in for re-election. Instead, he's the underdog.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 06:55 PM

28. Yes, thank you, I have been saying that for a long time

Thank you

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 07:16 PM

29. I would be curious to see those maginificent unemployment numbers broken down...

into urban and rural. Cuz my small home town, that I no longer live in, is not abuzz with new businesses and job opportunities.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 08:05 PM

30. K!

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2019, 08:32 PM

32. That was Obama's biggest fault, not taking credit for the economy nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #32)

Sun May 5, 2019, 12:06 AM

34. Except he did.

He has also mocked Trump for taking credit for it on multiple occasions.

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

33. So far trump has not managed to screw up the Obama recovery

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Response to gulliver (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 12:13 AM

36. Exactly

 

I wish the deplorables got it that Trump has done diddly squat for the economy other than hurt it.

There is going to be a recession soon and Trump will get the blame for ruining Obama's economy.

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