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End of the Roe (Original Post) kpete May 2019 OP
Expand the court. dalton99a May 2019 #1
+10000 Celerity May 2019 #6
CA should be far more than 2. maxsolomon May 2019 #30
I believe all states have two senators. It does have one rep as do other small states. erronis May 2019 #35
Yes, I'm saying if CA's residents were as equally represented in the Senate as WY's, maxsolomon May 2019 #37
The House is also not proportional. It would need many more states to be fair. More_Cowbell May 2019 #43
the House (and thus the Electoral College) is a an easy fix, no Constitutional Amendment needed Celerity May 2019 #45
Imagine paying all those salaries! To say nothing about having to bribe thousands of reps. erronis May 2019 #47
ONE Lockheed Martin F-35C's cost would cover ALL the yearly salaries of the extra Reps (if 1001 was Celerity May 2019 #48
I'm going to be very blunt here jmowreader May 2019 #44
I mean, if Trump wins reelection and has a Republican Senate, why even deal with reality? Grown2Hate May 2019 #50
That's the only way. NurseJackie May 2019 #13
That's one of Pete's ideas. pdsimdars May 2019 #21
THIS! KPN May 2019 #22
CONTRACT the Court. Save costs. Seven Justices. Last on, first off. n/t TygrBright May 2019 #28
That would result in 7 conservative asshole, 4 appointed by Gropenfuhrer. 3Hotdogs May 2019 #38
My sig line! Lucky Luciano May 2019 #40
Supreme court should be 21. SoCalDem May 2019 #51
Great cartoon Gothmog May 2019 #2
Yeah well ismnotwasm May 2019 #3
Which is the point of the cartoon. NT enough May 2019 #11
I got that. ismnotwasm May 2019 #32
It's a great cartoon Buckeyeblue May 2019 #4
It also illustrates something wlse StarfishSaver May 2019 #9
Agreed misanthrope May 2019 #39
Question AlexSFCA May 2019 #5
Too much of Ohiogal May 2019 #7
I'm surprised she stayed with him all those years. Lars39 May 2019 #10
How'd we let that happen, indeed... Wounded Bear May 2019 #8
+ a bazillion lunasun May 2019 #12
I don't think that The Supreme Court will overturn Roe v Wade. Cold War Spook May 2019 #14
Overturning Roe makes it a state's rights issue Danmel May 2019 #17
This exactly StarfishSaver May 2019 #26
They would have to overturn it to give the decision to the states. yardwork May 2019 #29
JFC... to become a state right issue it *has* to (by definition) be overturned by the USSC. LanternWaste May 2019 #33
Easy does it! There are nicer ways to educate! nt Lucky Luciano May 2019 #41
Uhhhhh.... RhodeIslandOne May 2019 #52
Of the roughly 108 million females who are eligible to vote only 37.5 million voted for Hillary Snake Plissken May 2019 #15
Good point. I wonder how many women didn't or wouldn't vote for Hillary calimary May 2019 #18
Yep leftofcool May 2019 #25
The white women who voted for Trump would do it again and again. maxsolomon May 2019 #31
Always wondered... Dan May 2019 #34
Stop thinking logically about consequences. maxsolomon May 2019 #36
The plan is for those children to be further abused and be used as cannon fodder/inmates for Nay May 2019 #42
That's not the plan. maxsolomon May 2019 #55
I have a friend like that. calimary May 2019 #54
Oh, come on. There was something about her they just didn't like StarfishSaver May 2019 #27
Yep. Solly Mack May 2019 #16
K & R FakeNoose May 2019 #19
There was a huge Womens Movement in the 1970's. Chin music May 2019 #20
I distinctly remember DENVERPOPS May 2019 #24
2 ways to punish GOP - starting with 3 universities in GA that helped do this and can be protested certainot May 2019 #23
This comic is way too optimistic... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #46
Yep, There's Too Little Outrage Every Time Rights Are Narrowed corbettkroehler May 2019 #49
I was yelling that Roe was on the way to being overturned in 1992 when Casey no_hypocrisy May 2019 #53

Celerity

(43,479 posts)
6. +10000
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:11 AM
May 2019

Also expand the Senate (by adding DC, PR, and maybe splitting my state, California into two).

If Trump wins re-election and we do not take back the Senate in 2020 or 2022 (best of the worst case scenarios), there is an 80%+ chance the court will end up 7-2 or even 8-1 hard RW. If we win the POTUS but not the Senate, there is a high probability the Rethugs will never hold hearings on any SCOTUS replacement justice we nominate, and also, if we do win the POTUS this time, our chances in 2022 will also be diminished (of taking back the Senate).

We are caught in a constitutional clusterfuck.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
30. CA should be far more than 2.
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:37 PM
May 2019

Last edited Tue May 14, 2019, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

WY has 2 senators for 500,000 residents.

40 million/500K = 80. 80 states, 160 senators to have equivalent representation as WY.

The imbalance in power is unsustainable.

erronis

(15,326 posts)
35. I believe all states have two senators. It does have one rep as do other small states.
Tue May 14, 2019, 01:53 PM
May 2019

Of course the devil's spawn of Evil Dick Cheney is the current rep.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
37. Yes, I'm saying if CA's residents were as equally represented in the Senate as WY's,
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:17 PM
May 2019

they'd need to split into 80 States. The Senate gives underpopulated states disproportionate power, and that is unfair to populated states. Equal representation.

Sorry if that was unclear.

Celerity

(43,479 posts)
45. the House (and thus the Electoral College) is a an easy fix, no Constitutional Amendment needed
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:28 PM
May 2019

Expand it to 1001, maybe 1,501 and much more fairly distribute the numbers of seats. All it takes is an Act of Congress.

If we had proportional representation in terms of number of people per representative equal to the UK House of Commons, there would be 3,250 members of the US House. If we were equal to Sweden, around 11,500 in the US House. 435 for a nation of 330,000,000 is madness.

erronis

(15,326 posts)
47. Imagine paying all those salaries! To say nothing about having to bribe thousands of reps.
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:31 PM
May 2019

It might bankrupt Putin and the Plutocrats (sounds like an old rock band.)

Celerity

(43,479 posts)
48. ONE Lockheed Martin F-35C's cost would cover ALL the yearly salaries of the extra Reps (if 1001 was
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:45 PM
May 2019

the targeted size.)

Just the helmet is over 400,000 USD (2 Rep's annual salaries plus 50K USD left over)




jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
44. I'm going to be very blunt here
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:10 PM
May 2019

If Trump wins reelection and he has a Republican Senate to deal with, I predict there will be at least one assassination of a liberal Supreme Court justice. I wouldn't put it past them to try to kill every liberal federal judge in the country. These guys aren't going to wait around and HOPE a liberal judge or justice steps down; they will shoot enough of them to tip the courts so far to the right (and filled up with hard-right-wingers in their 30s and 40s who'll be there for decades) we'll never get them back in any of our lifetimes.

Trump is an evil, evil man. The sick part is, the people who claim to be Christians are all on his side.

Grown2Hate

(2,013 posts)
50. I mean, if Trump wins reelection and has a Republican Senate, why even deal with reality?
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:59 PM
May 2019

They'll just do whatever they want, change rules to just throw people off the court willy-nilly (they won't bother with assassination; they'll just start doing whatever). They're not following the rule of law NOW; imagine if he basically gets codified with another election.

I guess I just mean that it's literally the end of the Republic if he wins again. The Last President indeed. We HAVE to win. HAVE TO.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. That's the only way.
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:45 AM
May 2019

VP Kamala Harris should use that one of her campaign issues when she runs for president in 2024.

KPN

(15,647 posts)
22. THIS!
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:31 AM
May 2019

F*** relationships with the party that has been waging all out war against liberals for the past 40+ years at the behest of southern aristocrats and billionaires.

Only a fool courts those who would erase them.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
51. Supreme court should be 21.
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:36 AM
May 2019

takes 9 to accept a case, and after acceptance, a random draw of 9 to hear/decide the case.

That would END all the bullshit cases..A coalition might accept a case and then end up NOT deciding it..karma !

Justices should be no younger than 60 and have maximum terms of 10 years..Mandatory retirement at 75..

That would make it an apolitical body with a reliable turnover that reflects the nation

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
4. It's a great cartoon
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:07 AM
May 2019

It illustrates the irony of waiting to late to really care. And while Roe is a women's reproductive rights issue, it is also a major civil rights issue for everyone.

Let's predict the general reaction?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
9. It also illustrates something wlse
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:24 AM
May 2019

Many people didn't care about or bother to fight against minority voter suppression because, after all, it didn't affect THEIR ability to vote. So what's the big deal?

But what they didn't realize or care enough to think about is that most of the people who were prevented from getting to the polls and whose votes were suppressed would have voted for the same people they did and would have helped ensure pro-choice politicians were elected and prevent anti-choice Neanderthals from taking control of state legislatures and governorships across the country, where these laws are being enacted and signed into law.

This is a perfect example of how fighting for the right of others is in your own best interest.

misanthrope

(7,421 posts)
39. Agreed
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:46 PM
May 2019

It's a nice encapsulation of human behavior. We are highly reactive creatures but not so good with proactivity, even when we have every warning.

It's also an illustration of why we are in for a world of hurt regarding environmental disaster and climate change. We're always looking for the path of least resistance.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
5. Question
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:07 AM
May 2019

If RGB announces planned retirement in 2021 a month before 2020 election, will that help dem turnout? or will that help gop turnout more?

Ohiogal

(32,041 posts)
7. Too much of
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:14 AM
May 2019

“It’s just a women’s issue.” (shrug). As if something that greatly affects 50% of the population isn’t that important.

And a lack of candidates willing to go to the mat on this.

I’m surprised that guy in the last panel is even upset.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
14. I don't think that The Supreme Court will overturn Roe v Wade.
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:52 AM
May 2019

It will be easier for them to just turn it into a states' rights issue.

Danmel

(4,919 posts)
17. Overturning Roe makes it a state's rights issue
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:03 AM
May 2019

The whole point of Roe is to restrain the states, especially the ones that want to jail women and their physicians. The point is a persons constitutional right to privacy and autonomy.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. This exactly
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:51 AM
May 2019

Abortion was a state's rights issue before Roe.

If it returns to that, women will suffer as their reproductive rights are left to state legislatures.

yardwork

(61,693 posts)
29. They would have to overturn it to give the decision to the states.
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:36 PM
May 2019

That's how it works. Roe v Wade decided that every woman in the U.S. has the right to decide to have an abortion (within lots of restrictions), no matter where she lives.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. JFC... to become a state right issue it *has* to (by definition) be overturned by the USSC.
Tue May 14, 2019, 01:08 PM
May 2019

JFC... to become a state right issue, its current incarnation *has* to (by definition) be overturned by the USSC.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
15. Of the roughly 108 million females who are eligible to vote only 37.5 million voted for Hillary
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:26 AM
May 2019

That is why Republicans continue their war on women's issues, they aren't being given a reason to stop it.

calimary

(81,421 posts)
18. Good point. I wonder how many women didn't or wouldn't vote for Hillary
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:04 AM
May 2019

because whatever-the-fuck, and now wish to God we could have a do-over.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
31. The white women who voted for Trump would do it again and again.
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:41 PM
May 2019

It is a prime motivating issue for Catholic Women.

I am related to several. They WANT to overturn RvW and will vote for ANY Republican over ANY Democrat because of it. They have no regrets. It is the prime political crusade of their lives.

Dan

(3,579 posts)
34. Always wondered...
Tue May 14, 2019, 01:41 PM
May 2019

What’s the plan for the unwanted and unsupported children that will be born - in a country that loves the fetus and hates the child?

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
36. Stop thinking logically about consequences.
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:14 PM
May 2019

The RCC says liberals are killing babies and that's all you need to know.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
42. The plan is for those children to be further abused and be used as cannon fodder/inmates for
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:29 PM
May 2019

for-profit jails/prostitutes. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU ARE BORN.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
55. That's not the plan.
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:21 PM
May 2019

The only plan is "End Abortion, stop murder, save the innocent".

The planning stops at that point. They don't THINK about what happens when unwanted children are born, or all the hypothetical scenarios we propose - "give the baby up for adoption if you don't want it" is probably the closest thing there is to a plan.

calimary

(81,421 posts)
54. I have a friend like that.
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:57 PM
May 2019

Sigh... I love her like the sister I never had. But she turned to the Dark Side years ago, and refuses to climb back out of it.

Makes me so sad, sometimes. I’m still trying to reach her and pull her away from that. Failing utterly, so far.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
20. There was a huge Womens Movement in the 1970's.
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:13 AM
May 2019

Changed a lot of things. Women got out in the streets and stuff changed relatively quickly.
Spring and Summer is the best time to protest.
After Roe is overturned, they will dig in, and it's a done deal. NOW is the time to be heard. They not only want to ban abortions, they want women to go to jail for up to 99 years for it. We've come too far to let this continue. imho.

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
24. I distinctly remember
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:41 AM
May 2019

In the 60's and early 70's I distinctly remember a number of girls with rich parents who suddenly went to Sweden or Denmark to "study abroad" for a semester. I am sure there were many others who went to their Rich parents Dr.'s for a "D & C" procedure.........

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
23. 2 ways to punish GOP - starting with 3 universities in GA that helped do this and can be protested
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:36 AM
May 2019

those schools broadcast sports on 14 limbaugh stations. they give them cred and help them attract advertisers. all those stations follow the limbaugh lead. the local blowhards on those stations have to be pro republican and anti choice or they lose their jobs.

from republiconradio.org

GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2

if GA anti choice cons paid $1000/hr to support and elect republicans those stations would be worth $1,050,000/WEEK FREE to them (1000x15hrs/dayx5 =$75,000/ station)

and think about what difference that made in the stacey abrams 'defeat' - how many points was that worth? and in the next election?

students at those universities can protest right on campus - those schools have no excuse to keep supporting trump, global warming denial, and anti-choice motherfuckers. local GOP will freak out. all their pols know the importance of being able to ride limbaugh's/talk radio's trail of lies as well as RWTRs invisibility to the left.

anyone anywhere can record programs and podcasts on those stations and can use artificial intelligence-enhanced transcription such as at sonix.ai for $5/hr, and list advertisers with contact info with very little listening required. the companies that are helping republicans with this shit can be associated directly with the crap they sponsor.

when the ad industry realizes they're going to have to stop bundling advertisers onto those huge stations and start asking them all if they actually want to support anti-choice, trump, global warming denial they'll have to start applying actual market demand and it will kill the 20-1 monopoly. the ad industry will kill trump putin talk radio to be able to get their clients onto those huge radio stations without getting trashed. it's stoprush x 100.

from republiconradio.org

Artificial intelligence now makes it very easy to list talk radio advertisers
1) Record
Quicktime, on every Mac, is a basic app for recording audio streams. While playing the stream turn on Quicktime, go to 'File' and 'New Audio Recording'. Turn on the recorder and when you're done save it. With Quicktime it is necessary to have volume on. Other recording apps will allow recording multiple streams at the same time, pre scheduling, and editing.
2) Transcribe
At $5/hr and under, Sonix.ai may be the cheapest, quickest, and easiest transcription service. An hour takes minutes and is very accurate. When it's done they send an email with a link to the transcription in their editing program where it can be downloaded or tweaked and corrected on their site as you listen. It can also be stored there. The monthly subscription is $15 but they offer a 30 minutes free trial.
3) Search for "DOT" to identify advertisers
Live recordings of radio streams include advertisements and most announce web sites transcribed as "so-and-so-company dot com". Most advertisers can be found by searching for the word "dot". Sometimes the ads provided phone numbers. The Sonix text editor allows you to highlight and add notes. Each company or quote can get a note that is listed and numbered. The notes can then be copied and pasted elsewhere.
4) Contact
Most websites provide phone numbers and email addresses specifically for contact by potential customers. Complaint emails may get further up the chain of command than a phone call, and there's a lasting written record for employees to pass around. It may also be easier for sympathetic staff to pass on a comment to a boss in email form than personally.
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
46. This comic is way too optimistic...
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:29 PM
May 2019

The age gap between the 4th and 6th panel suggests decades - Roe will be overturned in the next half-decade, unfortunately.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
49. Yep, There's Too Little Outrage Every Time Rights Are Narrowed
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:20 PM
May 2019

In the short term, this will cost lives, I have no doubt. I am equally certain that the other side doesn't care.

In the long term, this enormous, worst ever, overreach finally will galvanize the entire nation and we can move to a permanent fix, rendering all of these state-level myopic disasters moot.

no_hypocrisy

(46,157 posts)
53. I was yelling that Roe was on the way to being overturned in 1992 when Casey
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:35 AM
May 2019

was decided, and that decision was just to place "safe limits" on abortion.

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