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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:21 PM May 2019

Israel will hold unprecedented second election after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fails to form

BREAKING: Israel’s parliament voted to dissolve itself early Thursday after Netanyahu failed to form a government ahead of a midnight deadline, despite his Likud party winning the largest number of seats in April 9 elections. The move prevents Israel’s president from being able to call on an alternative candidate to attempt to form a government.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/prospect-of-new-israeli-vote-looms-as-netanyahu-struggles-with-coalition/2019/05/29/9155b71a-8171-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html?utm_term=.31f04ea24735

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Israel will hold unprecedented second election after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fails to form (Original Post) octoberlib May 2019 OP
K&R Scurrilous May 2019 #1
Good news - either indict that yahoo or he loses this time. walkingman May 2019 #2
Wow! New hope for an Israel without Netanyahu! tritsofme May 2019 #3
Great news. Rec'd. nt babylonsister May 2019 #4
The political pendulum needs to swing left superpatriotman May 2019 #5
Great news malaise May 2019 #6
big k&r. it was a close election against a party that was only 2 months old. Kurt V. May 2019 #7
Has anyone told the Emperor Trump? gratuitous May 2019 #8
Ivanka has the sadz Celerity May 2019 #9
*OUT*! UTUSN May 2019 #10
I haven't kept up with the details of Israeli politics. TomSlick May 2019 #11
My thoughts too. Seems like a big shift one way or another Blue_true May 2019 #14
I wonder if this can be fixed. TomSlick May 2019 #15
I think there are several people on DU that understand the working of Parliament. Blue_true May 2019 #16
I know the answer to that one. TomSlick May 2019 #18
Wow, your last paragraph floored me. Blue_true May 2019 #19
Exactly! TomSlick May 2019 #20
If no formal coalition can be formed, the largest bloc may lead a minority government. tritsofme May 2019 #17
Bibi's Trump's baby Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 #12
Sounds like good news but I don't know how? BiBi gets second election and gets a do over no? tia uponit7771 May 2019 #13

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Has anyone told the Emperor Trump?
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:06 PM
May 2019

If Netanyahu doesn't cling to power in Israel, if someone less hard-right gets installed in his place, Trump might have more trouble than a little bit. Someone should tweet to Trump what a loser Netanyahu is. Just to piss him off a little bit.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
11. I haven't kept up with the details of Israeli politics.
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:14 PM
May 2019

Is there any reason to believe that anyone will be able to form a government after another election? It seems unlikely that there have been any large shifts in the electorate so soon since the last election.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. My thoughts too. Seems like a big shift one way or another
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:06 PM
May 2019

need to take place. The problem is that the ultra-orthodox birthrate in Israel for the last ~ 25 years has been higher than the general birthrate, hence the rise of more rightist parties.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
15. I wonder if this can be fixed.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:16 PM
May 2019

My long ago poli sci degree fails me. What happens in a parliamentary system if no party can cobble together a sufficient coalition to form a government?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. I think there are several people on DU that understand the working of Parliament.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:46 PM
May 2019

Maybe they can answer your question, I don't have a clue. In my view, that would be like us having a Presidential race tied 259-259 among the two leaders (is that possible, seem maybe in a multi-person race). What happens, do the other candidate(s) with electoral votes get to chose who to give theirs too? Do we let the two leaders draw straws with the one drawing the longest straw becoming President?

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
18. I know the answer to that one.
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:39 PM
May 2019

First, remember that the vote that counts is the vote by the electoral college. Not all states require the electors to vote as their state did.

First, there really doesn't have to be a tie to cause the move to Plan B. A winning candidate must have a majority of the electoral college - 270 votes. In the unlikely event a third party candidate secured enough electoral votes to deny both major party candidates a majority, we go to Plan B.

No, the third and lower places candidates cannot give away their votes. In the unlikely event a third party candidate had any electors pledged to him/her, s/he could ask those electors to vote for one of the two leading candidates - but - some states forbid electors to vote contrary to their state vote (I personally question the constitutionality of such laws) and an unbound elector could refuse the request.

However, in the event of tied vote by the electors, the House of Representatives decides the election. Unfortunately, in that vote, each Congressional delegation gets one vote - so that North Dakota has the same vote as California.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. Wow, your last paragraph floored me.
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:48 PM
May 2019

That means something like 20% of the people decide the election, insane.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
20. Exactly!
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:52 PM
May 2019

That provision may have made sense in 1787 but not so much now. Then again, I'm not convinced the Electoral College makes much sense now.

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
17. If no formal coalition can be formed, the largest bloc may lead a minority government.
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:39 PM
May 2019

However this arrangement is inherently unstable, as a majority of members of the parliament are by definition outside of government and enough of their support would be required on confidence motions to prevent the government’s failure.

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