DU Poll: How long will it take the US to recover from tRump?

[BigmanPigman]

Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Estimate realistically how long you believe it will take the US to get back to where we were BT (before tRump)?

14 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	0-5 years
	5 (36%)
	0-10 years
	1 (7%)
	0-20 years
	1 (7%)
	0-30 years
	0 (0%)
	Over 30 years
	7 (50%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[0rganism]

1. i'm not sure there is any "going back"

the moron has done incalculable damage to our international credibility, jeopardized our intelligence operations, demolished our trade agreements, and loaded the courts with wicked assholes to mollify his insatiable base of assholes and ignoramuses.

there's a significant chance he is actually operating on behalf of Vladimir Putin and the GRU. we have been compromised at the highest levels.

right now, it looks like a complete loss to me. i have no idea how to recover from such total defeat, let alone how long it would take.

[BigmanPigman]

3. "How" we get back to normal is the $1,000,000 question.

Does anyone have a magic wand? That is what it may take, or a belief in miracles.

[roamer65]

6. It won't.

It’s a dying empire.

[BigmanPigman]

20. When I posted this most of the votes were in the extremes.

Most thought 0-5 or Over 30, but as the day wore on the Over 30 group became the leader by a lot, so far that is. I think it is due to the SCOTUS seats. If we set term limits on them we may stand a chance at having a democracy with checks and balances again.

[MineralMan]

2. If we have a Democratic President, House, and Senate,

We can do it, and more, in one presidential term. Let's make that happen, shall we?

[live love laugh]

4. Things weren't exactly the best before Trump. Before Bush

is a better question.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. At this rate, we will never recover.

[Skittles]

7. just the Supreme Court alone makes it over 30 years

[Celerity]

17. boom! (especially if the orange bloat replaces RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor (diabetes) & an ageing Thomas)

[Nictuku]

8. He will not leave willingly

[Skittles]

9. so? cart his ass out like Assange

in fact, that's the preferred method

[Turin_C3PO]

14. I'd love to see him hole-up in the White House.

We’d all get to see, on television probably, his ass dragged out in cuffs.

[Nictuku]

15. ... and who will do that? The DOJ (Barr?)

Who would enforce his defying of a court order? The DOJ, (run by ..... oh right, William Barr) That won't work. They are already defying subpoenas and as of Friday, they defied court orders (releasing the tapes and transcripts from the Traitor Michael Flynn who was wheeling and dealing with a foreign power who is an adversary to the interests of the U.S.) I mean, how much worse can it get? Once they realize that they ARE above the law, that no one can do anything about it, then it really might be time to get your passport out. No one ever thought that a president or his cabinet would ever consider defying subpoenas or court orders.

This is why we are smack dab in the middle of a constitutional crisis, because there is no remedy to a criminal president to be found in the constitution (if the DOJ /AND/ the Senate are corrupt).

[Skittles]

18. Pelosi needs to get with the program

I have been saying that for a LONG time

[SamKnause]

10. We will not recover.

[Calculating]

11. It all depends

If the dems can reclaim the WH in 2020 then we can hopefully minimize the damage and get back on the right track soon within 5-10 years. If Trump wins AGAIN in 2020, then we're good and truly screwed

[obamanut2012]

13. Nope, SCOTUS will not be "back on track"

For many, many decades.

[obamanut2012]

12. SCOTUS and other things, so 30-70 years

[Turin_C3PO]

16. We can repair many things in 4-8 years.

The courts though, they’re packed with young right wing crazies that will inflict damage for another 30 years.

[VOX]

19. Richard Nixon was "patient zero"; Trump is the advanced stage of disease.

And Reagan really spread the infection far and wide. Note that since Nixon took office in 1969, and allowing 45 to finish his term in 2021, America will have had 32 years under Republican administrations, and a mere 20 years of Democratic administrations. Two general elections were thrown to Republicans by the Electoral College and numerous other interferences, including a hostile attack by a foreign power.

I use the assassination of JFK as the lit-match starting point; after that tragedy, we got the phony Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, and then it was all-in for U.S. military contractors in Vietnam. Then comes Nixon, whose leftovers populated the Reagan, Bush I and II administrations.

Trump has added his own mix of overt gangsterism, overt lawlessness, overt fascism, overt old-Soviet-style disinformation, and overt suffocation of democracy.

Since this monster has been growing steadily since the early 1960s, it’ll take decades to recover and rebuild democracy. And it appears that there will ALWAYS be 30%-40% of Americans who will oppose ANYTHING that doesn’t consist of “owning the libs,” which, however infantile, is their most important goal.

[Flaleftist]

21. The federal judges, the environment...

A long fucking time and God help us if he is in office after 2020. It may be game over for humanity.

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. Trump is a symptom. Not a cause.

Trump leaves office? States with 16% of the population will still be able to command a Senate majority and block any meaningful progress that the other 84% of the population might want; lifetime judicial appointments won't be going away and the Supreme Court will continue to be a bastion of right-wing extremism. The form of government mandated in the Constitution is no longer fit for purpose. Things will only become increasingly polarised, and even if a Democratic president is elected in 2020, they're likely to be hamstrung by a Republican Senate and a right-wing Supreme Court.

And with the increasing effects of climate change, the planet in general is on a one-way trip to Mass Extinction City; things are going to get very ugly in the next 30 years or so, and I'm not entirely sure that America is going to survive what's coming in any form any of us would recognise.

[anarch]

23. I don't see the nation recovering from this

We will never get back to where we were; the damage is permanent. Where we go from here is up to the people, I think.