For fuck's sake. I used to defend this clown, but no longer

[Blue_Tires]

Last edited Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Link to tweet

EDIT: Story is from 2018, so maybe he's changed his tune since then?

[Historic NY]

1. Useless.

[TheBlackAdder]

41. It sounds like someone is setting themselves up for some post-senatorial revenue streams.

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Either him or someone close to him, or both.

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[no_hypocrisy]

2. Hey Dude! How about "leaving the door open" to endorsing a DEMOCRAT

who isn't Hillary Clinton in 2020?

[Baitball Blogger]

26. Too much logic for this dud. He won't get it.

[hatrack]

3. Waiting for the "Butbutbutbutbutbutbutbut!!!!" Brigade to arrive . . .

Don't worry, it won't be long.

[Coventina]

10. Yup...."We have to sacrifice our values in order to preserve them!"

Or something...

[ProudMNDemocrat]

4. Fuck Joe Manchin.....

You are either a Democrat who supports the Democratic Party philosophy, or you are not.

[bullwinkle428]

5. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't he be "PPR'ed" if he tried

to pull that shit here?

[aikoaiko]

6. He's playing a dangerous strategy to woo his voters, but I'm sure he'll endorse a Democrat.

Its early enough for his rhetoric to not reflect on a particular Democratic candidate, it takes the heat off of him for a while, and then he can endorse a Democrat at the last minute.

I think it shows that he's at the end of the road with his conservative Democrat strategy.

[Ace Rothstein]

29. He doesn't need to woo any voters at this point.

He just won re-election last year and won't be on the ballot again until 2024. That's a lifetime in politics.

[Amimnoch]

67. Umm, this story was BEFORE that election.

June 6, 2018.

[Ace Rothstein]

84. Didn't see that.

Why are we dredging up old news?

[BKDem]

7. If you can support Trump...

...you are not a Democrat, Joe. You are not even a decent American.

[BlueMTexpat]

54. + a million or so! eom

[watoos]

8. He knows what's coming.

Trump/Barr are investigating the crooked FBI, are investigating how Hillary paid Christopher Steele to write up a fake dossier attacking Trump. Just wait, that is the narrative that is going to come out of the Barr investigation. Trump is going to put Hillary on the 2020 ballot and Manchin is getting ahead of the game. Hillary was so smeared by Republicans that more Repubs voted against Hillary than voted for Trump.

[GoCubsGo]

9. Jeezus, just leave the party and become a republican already.

We know you want to.

If this asshole shows up at any Democratic events, he needs to be shunned.

[brooklynite]

19. Do you have a better Democrat who can win WV?

[GoCubsGo]

21. We don't have a Democrat now.

All we have is a republican with a "D" after his name.

[Amimnoch]

69. You are wrong. Yes we do.

This article was months before his re-election last year.

As long as he doesn’t actually switch parties, he does count as a “1” to reach that required “51” that will unseat McConnell.

[Yavin4]

75. How about trying a real Democrat?

Instead of writing off the state entirely.

[CincyDem]

79. Have you been to WV?

When you get off the expressway and drive the back roads, WV is so f’ing red the probably think strom Thurmond was a liberal progressive, particularly on racial issues.

I agree with the OP that manchin is a stain on the national level, but in WV, he’s as progressive as we get. He’s not CA or MA or NY progressive but WV ain’t those states. If having him in the senate puts Schumer in the majority leader office, I say go Joe go.

[GoCubsGo]

81. That would be preferable.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

11. Many who criticized him here were told we needed him for the senate.

He's always been a pain in the ass. Fuck this guy.

[progressoid]

44. Exactly this.

[watoos]

12. The problem is

he has voted with us I think like 30 some percent of the time. A Republican Senator will vote with us 0%.

We have 1/3 of a Senator in WV.

[SharonClark]

18. That 30% doesn't make up for his disrespect of the Democrtatic Party,

the Party's nominee, and the Party's values. If he can imagine supporting Trump then he's as deplorable as any repug.
I'm willing to give money to any reasonable primary challenger who can campaign on Democratic values, regardless of the outcome.

[majdrfrtim]

33. He's not disrespecting the "Democratic Pary,"

HE’S DISRESPECTING THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION if he’s open to endorsing someone who does NOT “support and defend” it!!!

[nini]

38. Exactly

this isn't party politics anymore.

[Lonestarblue]

24. He also counts toward getting us a majority in the Senate.

Without that majority in 2020, Democrats will not control any committees and Mitch can keep appointing radical right-wing incompetent judges to the federal bench and he can keep stymying any and all bills for things Democrats want to accomplish. We need Manchin for now. When he’s up for reelection in 2024, the political environment may have changed and Democrats might have someone who can primary him. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and elect as many Democrats as possible in 2020.

[bsiebs]

58. My fear of a guy like Manchin...

...if we do manage to get the senate back in 2020.. he is the type that could switch parties .. and if we win a slim margin (50-50) and we get the presidency or 51-49 (and we lose the presidency), that would be the end of our representative democracy.

[shanny]

13. Felt that way for a while:

we don't need a tent that big.

[SharonClark]

14. "If his policies are best..."

Hey, Manchin, you stone cold loser, is there any evidence of that ever happening?
The eventual Democratic nominee should campaign in his state but not invite him to any campaign events. He's deplorable.

[Atticus]

15. Why show that photo of him? Use the one where he's wearing Daisy Dukes and a tube top

as he leans against a lamp post whispering "Ps-s-st---hey sailor---wanna date?"

[The_Counsel]

16. Dammit...I Thought Zell Miller Retired from the Senate....??!

[nycbos]

17. Besides Sam Huff and Katherine Johnson the NASA mathematician...

... has anything useful ever come out of West Virginia.

[Kensan]

55. As an NBA and Lakers fan...

I’ll add Jerry West to the list. We can stop there. Haha

[KY_EnviroGuy]

87. A lot of moonshine, ginseng and Bluegrass music.

.........

[ooky]

20. I worry that this clown will switch parties when the majority is on the line.

[padah513]

45. I'm surprised that

He hasn't done it already

[ooky]

78. He may be waiting until he can be the tie breaker.

So he can really piss us off bad.

[BlueJac]

22. I wouldn't want to say anything bad about a Democrat...

so I won't!

[Boomer]

28. Manchin isn't a Democrat

He's just using our state party to run a conservative campaign, as opposed to the batshit-crazy campaigns of the official Republicans.

Our "Democratic" governor switched parties immediately after the election.

West Virginia is so red that even our Democrats are Republicans.

[AlexSFCA]

43. but he is not running for reelection in 2020

so why endorse trump?

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. Maybe because he WAS running for reelection when he said it? See post #25 n/t

[AlexSFCA]

59. thanks, makes total sense

he needed to lie in order to win in 2018. It worked brilliantly. GOP does that all the time. Remember that right now winning is everything for us especially in red areas. If Doug Jones needs to lie in 2020 to win - he must do that and we should support him.

[Amimnoch]

72. THE ARTICLE WAS BEFORE HIS REELECTION!!!!

Just 5 months before his reelection at that. This is not a new or latest breaking news story by any stretch. It’s from June of last year.

He didn’t endorse Cheetolini.

He only stated that he’d “be open to endorsing”. It was election year politics.

[DFW]

23. EITHER he's going to support the best person for his country and state

OR he's going to support Trump. There is no congruence whatsoever.

[lapucelle]

25. The tweet is from today, but the USA Today story cited in the tweet is more than a year old.

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin regrets endorsing Hillary and is open to backing Trump in 2020
William Cummings, USA TODAY
Published 10:04 p.m. ET June 6, 2018

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/06/06/manchin-politico-interview/679684002/

The Politico story cited in the USA Today piece is also from June 2018.

Manchin goes full MAGA: The vulnerable West Virginia Democrat is embracing Donald Trump, figuratively and literally: ‘We just kind of do the man-bump type thing.’
By BURGESS EVERETT
06/06/2018 04:02 AM EDT

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/06/manchin-trump-west-virginia-midterms-626437

Why is somebody tweeting this out today?

[G_j]

35. Then we would like to know

what his stance is today.

Also, He’s not a Democrat. He’s a fraud.

[luvtheGWN]

53. What policies of Trump have benefitted W. Virginia?

Coal is dead. What else are W. Virginians concerned about? Just asking, not stating anything here.

[Hav]

39. It's interesting that it was reposted a year later

Why the need to rile up Dems? It's working well here. You have to wonder about the motivation behind bringing up this story again. Not that I like him, but he rode this line to win re-election.
Someone said he voted 30% with the Dems. A comparison I saw had it way higher and considerable higher than any R. So he is a pain in the azz with these comments but unfortunately the best we can get in WV at the moment.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

46. I have disliked Manchin for years. This isn't "riling me up."

And we need to solve problems like this ass clown.

[hatrack]

66. Would you like something from this year? Maybe from less than two months ago?

Here you go!!

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin endorses GOP Sen. Susan Collins for 2020

Cross-party endorsement is rare, but two voted together to support Kavanaugh

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin III endorsed Republican Sen. Susan Collins’ 2020 re-election bid Thursday, saying he would go to Maine to campaign for her if she asked.

“I would go up and campaign for Susan Collins,” the West Virginia senator said in an interview taped for C-SPAN’s “Newsmakers” that will air Friday. “For America to lose someone like Susan Collins would be an absolute shame. I feel that strongly about this lady.”

Collins is among the more vulnerable Republican senators up for re-election in 2020 as Democrats seek to capture the majority. Inside Elections with Nathan L. Gonzales rates her race Tilts Republican.

Though she does not yet have an opponent, Collins’ vote last year to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court led to the creation of a Crowdpac fund for her eventual Democratic opponent that has raised nearly $3.8 million so far to oust her.


EDIT

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/democratic-sen-joe-manchin-endorses-gop-sen-susan-collins-2020

[stopdiggin]

85. current news would be preferred

Yes. Thank you. And please do! The OP makes NO mention of the fact the the quote (and link) are over a year old.

[samnsara]

27. its so unfortunate we need him....

[certainot]

30. what a sack of shit

[GeorgeGist]

32. Joe's a con artist just like ...

his daughter.

[dalton99a]

49. +1. Family of grifters and opportunists

[Thomas Hurt]

34. Wherever the wind blows Manchin is there sucking up.

[True Dough]

36. Manchin has crossed a lot of lines over the years

and he's been forgiven (perhaps tolerated is a better word) by many Dems sympathetic to the highwire act he has to do to espouse some liberal policies while trying to appease his truly red state and still get re-elected.

But this? To say he'd be open to backing Trump? That's beyond the pale. See ya, Trump chump.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

37. Time for him to lose his next primary race. N/T

[tymorial]

40. He isnt running in 2020. So this isnt voter gaming

There is no excusing this

[Drunken Irishman]

51. The article is from 2018.

[SpankMe]

42. It's a desperation move

Trump took WV by a huge margin. Theres no way Manchin is going to win against a Republican the next time out. He knows we need the numbers in the Senate if we're ever going to get it back. So he's being monumentally obsequious to WV voters to stay in there.

I don't like it. But, whatever works to take the Senate...I'll hold my vomit.

[calimary]

47. And for him, that's trump?????

What’s he been smoking?

I bet CON activists have been working on him - HARD. Bet they have him targeted for flipping.

[TheCowsCameHome]

50. "Your" state - seriously, Joe?

It's the voters of WV that put you there, you clown.

Just make the switch to (R) and be done with it.

[Vinca]

52. Can't we drum up one real Democrat to take this guy on?

I've never defended him. He's as much a Democrat as I am a Republican.

[still_one]

63. That is how it has to be done, but until that time, in a general election for Senate, if he is

running against a republican you have to go for him for the simple reason to increase your odds to get a majority in the Senate so the Democrats can set the agenda, and determine SC nominees.

It isn't a pleasant thing, but having the majority in the Senate is critical. If we didn't need him in the Senate to obtain that majority, it wouldn't matter, but as far as I can see, we need every Democratic head count we can get in order to have a chance at a majority in the Senate

[RockaFowler]

56. Ah Zell Miller all over again I see

[SCantiGOP]

57. A Lindsay Graham clone

Nothing matters but holding on to his damn Senate seat.

[DarthDem]

60. This Is How Politico Wins, and GOPers Too

By having "Dems in Disarray Oh Noes" stories tweeted out a year after they are first published. It's a coordinated effort to sow Democratic discord.

And it looks like it's working, in this thread at least. A shame.

[still_one]

61. I never supported the POS, but pragmatically realized that having the majorit in the Senate was

important if for nothing else in selecting SC justices.

However, until there is a viable Democratic nominee to challenge the SOB. that can appeal to the populace in West Virginia, there is not much that will change, until the populous in West Virgina realize just how they are getting short changed by this right wing policies.


Until that occurs, the only reason to support Manchin is in the general election if he is running against a republican, to just build our numbers up in the Senate to obtain a majority, so the Democratic Party can set the agenda

[spanone]

62. K&R...

[Amimnoch]

64. Honestly.. at this point I don't care.

Unless there is another Democratic Party Candidate in his state that can unseat him, AND have any shot at winning the senate senate in the General.. he still counts as “1” in the “51” needed to replace McConnell as Senate majority leader.

I would never donate $$ to this man, but I do hope he retains his seat.

[aeromanKC]

65. Getting the Senate Gavel is more important

It's West Virginia. Dems are not going to win WV. But his vote in the Senate D caucus to get us the gavel is the most important thing about him in the political universe.

Remember: without DINO's we would not have passed ACA.

[cannabis_flower]

68. Wow

Sounds like he's cruisin' for someone to primary him!

[hlthe2b]

70. Ok, AOC... You can come get THIS one. I won't argue.

[Azathoth]

71. Joe's state is more pro-Trump than Texas. Unless he betrays us in a tie-breaking vote

he can say whatever the hell he wants. Trump is gonna win WV regardless of whether Manchin "supports" him or not.

[shanny]

82. I'm sure that's true but btw

tRump is barely above water in TX: net approval of +3 (down 17).

Eta: https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

[Honeycombe8]

73. I understand bein a conserv. Dem in his state, but this is beyond the pale. Outrageous.

He may be sending a message to the Democratic Party, voters & leaders, that if they nominate someone who is not moderate, he's going to the enemy.

[Polybius]

74. That article was from June 6, 2018

He was running for re-election. I don't think he endorses Trump in 2020.

[stillcool]

76. thanks..

makes sense, when you add that little fact.

[Tanuki]

80. Here is a list of issues/votes where he has supported or opposed Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/

Interestingly, he has only voted with Trump 38.5% of the time in the 116th (current) Congress, as compared with 60.7% in the 115th Congress.

[hatrack]

83. Yes, but we're not even six months into the 116th Congress

Give it time . . .

[D2020]

86. That was to be expected from him.

Totally in the pockets of big business.

[W T F]

88. Primary him

[colsohlibgal]

89. That Is No Democrat!

What a disgrace but then again maybe he is too stupid to know just who he is open to backing...a dumb evil virtual Mafia head who is almost certainly headed to prison once out of office, hopefully by 2021. Heard of a scam where Orange Doofus will resign a day before his term then Pence pardons him. Hope they no that is only good on Federal charges, not State charges.