Barr folds like a deck of cards as Nadler gets deal for Mueller Report

[Baltimike]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/jerry-nadler-mueller-report-william-barr/index.html

[zaj]

1. Barr is a crisis management and PR consultant...

His goal is to avoid any dramatic moments that will destroy public sentiment for Trump and thus the GOP. He is slow walking everything out.

And even though he's losing, he's winning... just like Guiliani.

The whole game is to get away with everything by controlling the narrative within the GOP.

No conviction in the Senate, they win bigly.

[Baltimike]

3. Every word of this is true. nt

[uponit7771]

45. Not the Senate part, no historical reference for it

[malaise]

4. Huh? n/t

[zaj]

9. ?

Need more questions the be able to help

[emmaverybo]

10. He can't control the narrative in front of the country, most of which is not supporting the GOP.

He’s avoiding court and charges. But there will be plenty in the documents to show that the Mueller report had substance and in its reiteration it will have legs.

[zaj]

15. That's all true, but that doesn't move votes in the Senate

Or he would be impeached.

Their entire PR strategy is to control the stories that their primary voters will hear. Those voters live in a deliberate propaganda bubble.

So as long as the story isn't so bombshell that fox propaganda doesn't seem cartoonish to thier own viewers, then the Senate impeachment vote is held off. Every day that's the case is a huge victory for Trump, the GOP and Putin.

[emmaverybo]

25. I don't agree. Impeachment before hearings will have little impact on the vote in 2020 and

he will not be removed from office. It’s public pressure, not House politics that makes an impeachment mean something.

[lark]

16. I ove Tribes' idea of not taking it to the Senate at all.

Convict in the House, don't send it to the Senate as McTraitor won't bring it up and it will highlight his treachery to the nation. All the bad press and proof of criminality will be very bad for drumpf and all repugs. Maybe we can even flip the Senate that way?

[zaj]

18. Could they flip the Senate and then send it?

Interesting idea.

[lark]

19. I don't see why not, but then again I am not an attorney or constitutional law expert.

Wouldn't that be awesome? It just makes my heart flutter even thinking of the possibility.

[NYC Liberal]

68. That's what happened with Bill Clinton.

Well, the Senate wasn’t flipped, but the House of the 105th Congress impeached and then the Senate of the 106th held the trial.

So there is precedent.

[stopdiggin]

31. not sure I understand

Umm. Then you're taking for granted that Trump will still be in office after the Senate goes D?

[onenote]

22. The House can't "convict"

A "conviction" without any means of enforcing it doesn't do squat other than give the other side the opportunity to attack the Democrats (who won't get any Repub votes for a resolution "convicting" Trump) for being afraid to follow the Constitutionally-laid out process and instead convening what they will call a one-sided kangaroo court.

The example given by Tribe actually don't hold up to scrutiny. The House did not "convict" Nixon.

[watoos]

54. If you think that impeaching

a Narcissist won't do squat, think again. Impeaching Trump fires up our base and if our base votes and Trump's base votes, we win. Trump's base is what it is, it is not going to grow any bigger.

House Democrats have passed over 100 bills, the Senate has ignored those bills, won't bring them up for a vote, Democrats have every justification to not waste their time bringing impeachment before the Senate if they so choose. If it's obvious to me that Republicans are simply obstructing everything that Democrats do, it should be obvious to everyone else.

[onenote]

60. I'm not opposed to impeaching him

I think the best strategy is to start an impeachment investigation in the House. The timing of when that process leads to a vote in committee and in the full zhouse is entirely in the control of the Democratic caucus as is the timing of when articles of impeachment are presented to the Senate.

So time the proto avoid a vote in the Senate before 2020. Let Republicans defend themselves on the campaign trail. But don’t invent some new,constitutionally dubious process that will get bogged down in court fights.

[malaise]

53. Precisely n/t

[COLGATE4]

36. I'd go even further and say that

No impeachment proceedings (regardless of Senate), they win bigly. Every day that goes by while Democrats dither and send meaningless threats of sanctions is a win for Trump. Every day that there is no real public testimony which might change the minds of many voters who have tuned out is another day that Dumpy's narrative of "no collusion, no crime" prevalent in many voters' minds. The only way wee can have meaningful public hearings is to begin impeachment proceedings. That way Democrats can get access to Grand Jury testimony that is otherwise blocked from them by Barr. And if we continue to merely do a kabuki dance about it Trump is free to shout his "You see. The Mulller report was just so much hot air. If they had had anything on me they would have impeached me". And many - many voters will nod and agree with him/

[watoos]

55. I agree 100%,

Finally after the Mueller report has been out for 3 months Democrats in the House are taking concrete actions to obtain the grand jury information. I think it's today that the House is going to vote to give Jerry Nadler the authority to go before the judge, without Barr, and ask that he release the grand jury testimony. Once that grand jury information is revealed to Congress there will be no way they do not impeach. The grand jury testimony is where all of the dirt is about the Trump crime family.

Time is growing short, it's almost too late to impeach, let's hope that Nadler gets that judge to release the grand jury info.

[OnDoutside]

39. I agree, but there's just so much information, and a full 15/16 months for it to come out bit by bit

#DeathBy1000Cuts

[zaj]

40. Death by 1000 cuts after establishing the narrative...

That Mueller failed... Trump is innocent.

Digging out from that whole is a huge win for Trump. Huge.

[zaj]

41. Difference between impeachment and not, huge.

[OnDoutside]

42. Mueller failed what ?

[zaj]

43. To explain to the voters in GOP states that their president...

... committed worse crimes than Nixon.

[uponit7771]

46. THANK YOU !!! Best put I've seen. Mueller being a functionary is minimal

[OnDoutside]

51. How can you say that when we haven't seen the full unredacted Mueller

Report with the underlying evidence ?

[zaj]

65. I'm saying that...

... because Mueller didn't do the work that was needed to frame his results accurately from the start.

His biggest miscalculation was that he trusted Barr to be honest when Barr's job was entirely spin.

A huge failure on Muellers part, IMO. And an even bigger win for Trump.

[OnDoutside]

71. Mueller followed the rules, which time will bear out. That Sessions t

Rosenstein followed the norms of the DOJ, ironically, while Barr pissed all over them. That's not Mueller's fault. These are short term wins for Trump, but it's a long road without a turn.

[zaj]

72. Could be. But attention spans are short.

Strong man dictators grind resistance down through small wins over a long time. We already have a destruction of norms and rules on one side. Everyone just expects it now. Barrs actions worsen that situation by a 100 miles on that long road.

We needed (and still need) to win over well over 50% of the GOP because many if them need political cover to do the right thing. Well know we reached that when Fox News flips on trump. And he's making them money, even now.

Mueller had a window to advance that cause publicly, and handed the ball to Barr, who imediately deliberately fumbeled to the defense. And he plans to do that every time. And we can't get him out of the game.

It might not be the final drive, but it was the 4th quarter. And we can't pass the ball.

(Sorry for the terrible football analogies)

[OnDoutside]

73. If there was one thing Kevin McCarthy was right about, all those Benghazi hearings would bring

Hillary's numbers down, and the same thing will happen to Trump. The worst thing for Dems is to go big bang early, then for the Reps to shoot it down, allowing them to create a new narrative over the coming year.

Let's get the full unredacted Mueller Report, and use that to hit his numbers slowly and deliberately. I accept it isn't what a lot of Democratic supporters want, but there is the added potential of an utter trouncing of the GOP as all this unfolds.

[uponit7771]

44. Senate part is false in its face, Party of impeached has never fared well post impeachment

[Hortensis]

50. This title sure doesn't sound like the Barr we know and love

all right. He intends to win, and those he's working with do also.

[watoos]

56. I agree, what Barr is giving is minimal at best,

However, the House is voting to give Jerry Nadler the authority to go to the judge without Barr to release the grand jury information to the House committee, that is a game changer if Dems get a hold of the grand jury info, impeachment will surely follow.

[Hortensis]

59. Yes, our people intend to win also.

[SWBTATTReg]

2. Oh no...I guess rump is going to get mad and fire Barr now! nt

[Baltimike]

62. Here's to hoping, but that's a pipe dream. nt

[SWBTATTReg]

69. You are probably right of course, more than likely, rump will rag on about something else...

and Barr will finally get tired of dealing w/ rump and resign...seems to the MO with this idiotic administration...

[Baltimike]

70. Barr is going to milk this slow walk for everything it's worth. nt

[Gothmog]

5. So being in contempt of congress does worry this asshole

[watoos]

57. I really doubt it,

it's a civil contempt I believe. Barr doesn't need the money, a fine won't affect him. Barr is just running out the clock to the election.

[StarfishSaver]

63. I think it bothers him

Among other things, he probably doesn't want to get disbarred. He also surely knows that eventually, he could face some serious criminal charges once Trump leaves office.

He's pretty ruthless, but he's only going to go so far.

[FakeNoose]

6. OK so now we know that Bill Barr really doesn't want a subpoena

What about Don McGahn? He should be willing to testify to the House committee because he's already given Mueller 30 hours of testimony. What's he got to lose now?

[gratuitous]

7. Nadler is going to deal with DOJ as long as Barr proceeds in good faith?

I suppose he thinks leopards can change their spots, too?

But this is all necessary groundwork for going to court when the contempt proceeding goes forward: "Your Honor, the Department has had ample opportunity to comply with the subpoena, but it has missed deadlines and failed to keep its promises. The Committee reluctantly turns to the court to hold the Department accountable to its constitutional duties."

[mopinko]

34. he doesnt think barr folded, but he knows who holds the cards now.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Barr will be gone by the end of July.

[apnu]

11. Why do you think that?

No snark, just curious why you predict this.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Watch how he is thrown under the bus

after today's announcement of Documents going to Nadler. Barr is a Egomaniac and his Reputation is hanging by a thin thread.

Steve Miller and his NAZI friends won't let this guy hang around.

[True Blue American]

28. Barr's reputation is mud now.

He broke with Trump, is at odds with his good friend Mueller who contradicted him. Scared of going to jail the way John Mitchell did..

Made fun of by half the Country.

[Wellstone ruled]

30. Yes sir re on the Jail.

Way to many Lawyers watching how this plays out. Barr has his fingerprints on so many Pardons and Sleaze Ball issues in DC . Another one to watch is Emet Flood.

[cojoel]

35. perhaps being afraid of disbarment (no pun intended) is a factor

Being out of the law business might cut off some otherwise available post-trump gravy train.

[uponit7771]

47. Barr won't send all the documents to Nadler, no way I'm trusting him to do that

[Wellstone ruled]

67. So agree,

it is all about running the clock. You can take it to the bank,the Pardon's are written by Barr and are in a folder ready to go in a micro second.

[MoonRiver]

13. Because

the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

[edhopper]

14. But when does the House get

the full unredacted report.

[Foolacious]

17. My literal brain got stuck on "folds like a deck of cards".

I thought, "Now, that's a phrase I've never heard. I know houses of cards collapse, and deck-chairs fold... do decks of cards fold?" And I began hunting the intertube and found that Michael Avenatti said something almost identical in an interview some months ago... so this is indeed a phrase!

[corbettkroehler]

20. Truly A Sweet Moment

Ironically, a small number of the redactions in the Mueller Report legitimately could be reserved for D.O.J. The problem is that the whole process is so ridiculously politicized by Barr that normal standards of professional decorum are out the window.

Still, it was nice to see D.O.J. panic when Nadler made it clear that push had come to shove!

[DeminPennswoods]

21. Dear Donald:

No. One. Is. Planning. To. Go. To. Jail. To. Protect. You.

[uponit7771]

48. Unnnnn , he had his sychophants that are caught in "sunk cost fallacy"

[mcar]

23. Great news!

Well done, Democrats!

[OliverQ]

24. Reports I'm hearing say Nadler caved and now the DoJ can selectively give him

what they want.

So who is coming out ahead here?

[brooklynite]

26. Block that metaphor!

Um, you don't fold a DECK of cards.....

[grandpamike1]

27. Do you truly think

That Barr will give any information that is detrimental to Trump ? I don't./

[Fullduplexxx]

29. Not the report just some files

Nadler said. Details about which documents would be provided to the committee were not disclosed, but the New York Democrat said the agreement would allow all Judiciary Committee members to see "Robert Mueller's most important files ... providing us with key evidence that the Special Counsel used to assess whether the President and others obstructed justice or were engaged in other misconduct."

[Bonx]

32. Isn't it 'fold like a cheap suit' or 'fall like a house of cards'?

[jcgoldie]

49. Does the Pope shit in the woods?

...or a bear wear a funny hat? uhmm...

[kacekwl]

33. Sorry but in till I see otherwise

I will continue to believe any deal from the trump administration is a lie and worthless.

[Progressive dog]

37. Bar is a contemptful criminal and is conspiring

with Trump to prevent more evidence of Trump's crimes from ending up in Congress or a grand jury. I hope Barr is folding, but I also hope the House holds Barr in contempt.

[duforsure]

38. Barr with many others

When this is all over be sent to prison for all he's done. Conspiracy, cover up, and lying to Congress. He should be very scared now with what all is about to get fully exposed . The gop and trump are in deep trouble.

[democratisphere]

52. Agree completely.

The rethuglicon party will be gutted when this is over with.

[watoos]

58. Barr isn't afraid in the least

of a contempt of Congress charge. I'm pretty sure, I could be wrong, it's just a civil charge not criminal and fining Barr is useless, he doesn't need the money. Barr isn't going to release any "key" documents. Watch for that word "key" it is being used throughout the complicit M$M.

The big news is the House is voting to give Jerry Nadler the authority to go to the judge to get the grand jury information released to Congress. If, is a big word, if the judge releases the grand jury testimony to Congress it is a game changer, impeachment will follow. The grand jury is where all of the nasty dirt is.

[FakeNoose]

66. Yep that is the game changer

On the other hand, I don't believe the grand jury testimony should be released to the public. Just kept under wraps by the House Judiciary Committee. If it gets out then all hell breaks loose.

[former9thward]

61. No one folded.

Nadler is not getting the Mueller Report. Th DOJ will give Nadler certain but not all materials. #reality

[Baltimike]

64. He *folded* He told them they would get nothing more, and...**FOLDED**

nt