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Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:54 PM

Barr folds like a deck of cards as Nadler gets deal for Mueller Report

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/jerry-nadler-mueller-report-william-barr/index.html

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Reply Barr folds like a deck of cards as Nadler gets deal for Mueller Report (Original post)
Baltimike Jun 2019 OP
zaj Jun 2019 #1
Baltimike Jun 2019 #3
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #45
malaise Jun 2019 #4
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zaj Jun 2019 #9
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #10
zaj Jun 2019 #15
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #25
lark Jun 2019 #16
zaj Jun 2019 #18
lark Jun 2019 #19
NYC Liberal Jun 2019 #68
stopdiggin Jun 2019 #31
onenote Jun 2019 #22
watoos Jun 2019 #54
onenote Jun 2019 #60
malaise Jun 2019 #53
COLGATE4 Jun 2019 #36
watoos Jun 2019 #55
OnDoutside Jun 2019 #39
zaj Jun 2019 #40
zaj Jun 2019 #41
OnDoutside Jun 2019 #42
zaj Jun 2019 #43
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #46
OnDoutside Jun 2019 #51
zaj Jun 2019 #65
OnDoutside Jun 2019 #71
zaj Jun 2019 #72
OnDoutside Jun 2019 #73
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #44
Hortensis Jun 2019 #50
watoos Jun 2019 #56
Hortensis Jun 2019 #59
SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #2
Baltimike Jun 2019 #62
SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #69
Baltimike Jun 2019 #70
Gothmog Jun 2019 #5
watoos Jun 2019 #57
StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #63
FakeNoose Jun 2019 #6
gratuitous Jun 2019 #7
mopinko Jun 2019 #34
Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #8
apnu Jun 2019 #11
Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #12
True Blue American Jun 2019 #28
Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #30
cojoel Jun 2019 #35
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #47
Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #67
MoonRiver Jun 2019 #13
edhopper Jun 2019 #14
Foolacious Jun 2019 #17
corbettkroehler Jun 2019 #20
DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #21
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #48
mcar Jun 2019 #23
OliverQ Jun 2019 #24
brooklynite Jun 2019 #26
grandpamike1 Jun 2019 #27
Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #29
Bonx Jun 2019 #32
jcgoldie Jun 2019 #49
kacekwl Jun 2019 #33
Progressive dog Jun 2019 #37
duforsure Jun 2019 #38
democratisphere Jun 2019 #52
watoos Jun 2019 #58
FakeNoose Jun 2019 #66
former9thward Jun 2019 #61
Baltimike Jun 2019 #64

Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:58 PM

1. Barr is a crisis management and PR consultant...

His goal is to avoid any dramatic moments that will destroy public sentiment for Trump and thus the GOP. He is slow walking everything out.

And even though he's losing, he's winning... just like Guiliani.

The whole game is to get away with everything by controlling the narrative within the GOP.

No conviction in the Senate, they win bigly.

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:05 PM

3. Every word of this is true. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:11 AM

45. Not the Senate part, no historical reference for it

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:05 PM

4. Huh? n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:22 PM

9. ?

Need more questions the be able to help

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:24 PM

10. He can't control the narrative in front of the country, most of which is not supporting the GOP.

Heís avoiding court and charges. But there will be plenty in the documents to show that the Mueller report had substance and in its reiteration it will have legs.

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:31 PM

15. That's all true, but that doesn't move votes in the Senate

Or he would be impeached.

Their entire PR strategy is to control the stories that their primary voters will hear. Those voters live in a deliberate propaganda bubble.

So as long as the story isn't so bombshell that fox propaganda doesn't seem cartoonish to thier own viewers, then the Senate impeachment vote is held off. Every day that's the case is a huge victory for Trump, the GOP and Putin.

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Response to zaj (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:05 PM

25. I don't agree. Impeachment before hearings will have little impact on the vote in 2020 and

he will not be removed from office. Itís public pressure, not House politics that makes an impeachment mean something.

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:36 PM

16. I ove Tribes' idea of not taking it to the Senate at all.

Convict in the House, don't send it to the Senate as McTraitor won't bring it up and it will highlight his treachery to the nation. All the bad press and proof of criminality will be very bad for drumpf and all repugs. Maybe we can even flip the Senate that way?

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Response to lark (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:41 PM

18. Could they flip the Senate and then send it?

Interesting idea.

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Response to zaj (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:44 PM

19. I don't see why not, but then again I am not an attorney or constitutional law expert.

Wouldn't that be awesome? It just makes my heart flutter even thinking of the possibility.

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Response to lark (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

68. That's what happened with Bill Clinton.

Well, the Senate wasnít flipped, but the House of the 105th Congress impeached and then the Senate of the 106th held the trial.

So there is precedent.

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Response to zaj (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:17 PM

31. not sure I understand

Umm. Then you're taking for granted that Trump will still be in office after the Senate goes D?

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Response to lark (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:51 PM

22. The House can't "convict"

A "conviction" without any means of enforcing it doesn't do squat other than give the other side the opportunity to attack the Democrats (who won't get any Repub votes for a resolution "convicting" Trump) for being afraid to follow the Constitutionally-laid out process and instead convening what they will call a one-sided kangaroo court.

The example given by Tribe actually don't hold up to scrutiny. The House did not "convict" Nixon.

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Response to onenote (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:34 AM

54. If you think that impeaching

 

a Narcissist won't do squat, think again. Impeaching Trump fires up our base and if our base votes and Trump's base votes, we win. Trump's base is what it is, it is not going to grow any bigger.

House Democrats have passed over 100 bills, the Senate has ignored those bills, won't bring them up for a vote, Democrats have every justification to not waste their time bringing impeachment before the Senate if they so choose. If it's obvious to me that Republicans are simply obstructing everything that Democrats do, it should be obvious to everyone else.

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Response to watoos (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:45 AM

60. I'm not opposed to impeaching him

I think the best strategy is to start an impeachment investigation in the House. The timing of when that process leads to a vote in committee and in the full zhouse is entirely in the control of the Democratic caucus as is the timing of when articles of impeachment are presented to the Senate.

So time the proto avoid a vote in the Senate before 2020. Let Republicans defend themselves on the campaign trail. But donít invent some new,constitutionally dubious process that will get bogged down in court fights.

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Response to lark (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:40 AM

53. Precisely n/t

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:24 PM

36. I'd go even further and say that

No impeachment proceedings (regardless of Senate), they win bigly. Every day that goes by while Democrats dither and send meaningless threats of sanctions is a win for Trump. Every day that there is no real public testimony which might change the minds of many voters who have tuned out is another day that Dumpy's narrative of "no collusion, no crime" prevalent in many voters' minds. The only way wee can have meaningful public hearings is to begin impeachment proceedings. That way Democrats can get access to Grand Jury testimony that is otherwise blocked from them by Barr. And if we continue to merely do a kabuki dance about it Trump is free to shout his "You see. The Mulller report was just so much hot air. If they had had anything on me they would have impeached me". And many - many voters will nod and agree with him/

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:42 AM

55. I agree 100%,

 

Finally after the Mueller report has been out for 3 months Democrats in the House are taking concrete actions to obtain the grand jury information. I think it's today that the House is going to vote to give Jerry Nadler the authority to go before the judge, without Barr, and ask that he release the grand jury testimony. Once that grand jury information is revealed to Congress there will be no way they do not impeach. The grand jury testimony is where all of the dirt is about the Trump crime family.

Time is growing short, it's almost too late to impeach, let's hope that Nadler gets that judge to release the grand jury info.

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:13 PM

39. I agree, but there's just so much information, and a full 15/16 months for it to come out bit by bit

#DeathBy1000Cuts

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:13 PM

40. Death by 1000 cuts after establishing the narrative...

That Mueller failed... Trump is innocent.

Digging out from that whole is a huge win for Trump. Huge.

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Response to zaj (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:13 PM

41. Difference between impeachment and not, huge.

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Response to zaj (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:47 AM

42. Mueller failed what ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 03:50 AM

43. To explain to the voters in GOP states that their president...

... committed worse crimes than Nixon.

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Response to zaj (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:18 AM

46. THANK YOU !!! Best put I've seen. Mueller being a functionary is minimal

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Response to zaj (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:04 AM

51. How can you say that when we haven't seen the full unredacted Mueller

Report with the underlying evidence ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #51)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:19 AM

65. I'm saying that...

... because Mueller didn't do the work that was needed to frame his results accurately from the start.

His biggest miscalculation was that he trusted Barr to be honest when Barr's job was entirely spin.

A huge failure on Muellers part, IMO. And an even bigger win for Trump.

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Response to zaj (Reply #65)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:36 PM

71. Mueller followed the rules, which time will bear out. That Sessions t

Rosenstein followed the norms of the DOJ, ironically, while Barr pissed all over them. That's not Mueller's fault. These are short term wins for Trump, but it's a long road without a turn.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #71)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:04 PM

72. Could be. But attention spans are short.

Strong man dictators grind resistance down through small wins over a long time. We already have a destruction of norms and rules on one side. Everyone just expects it now. Barrs actions worsen that situation by a 100 miles on that long road.

We needed (and still need) to win over well over 50% of the GOP because many if them need political cover to do the right thing. Well know we reached that when Fox News flips on trump. And he's making them money, even now.

Mueller had a window to advance that cause publicly, and handed the ball to Barr, who imediately deliberately fumbeled to the defense. And he plans to do that every time. And we can't get him out of the game.

It might not be the final drive, but it was the 4th quarter. And we can't pass the ball.

(Sorry for the terrible football analogies)

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Response to zaj (Reply #72)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:29 PM

73. If there was one thing Kevin McCarthy was right about, all those Benghazi hearings would bring

Hillary's numbers down, and the same thing will happen to Trump. The worst thing for Dems is to go big bang early, then for the Reps to shoot it down, allowing them to create a new narrative over the coming year.

Let's get the full unredacted Mueller Report, and use that to hit his numbers slowly and deliberately. I accept it isn't what a lot of Democratic supporters want, but there is the added potential of an utter trouncing of the GOP as all this unfolds.

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:09 AM

44. Senate part is false in its face, Party of impeached has never fared well post impeachment

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:42 AM

50. This title sure doesn't sound like the Barr we know and love

all right. He intends to win, and those he's working with do also.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:47 AM

56. I agree, what Barr is giving is minimal at best,

 

However, the House is voting to give Jerry Nadler the authority to go to the judge without Barr to release the grand jury information to the House committee, that is a game changer if Dems get a hold of the grand jury info, impeachment will surely follow.

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Response to watoos (Reply #56)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:21 AM

59. Yes, our people intend to win also.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:00 PM

2. Oh no...I guess rump is going to get mad and fire Barr now! nt

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:29 AM

62. Here's to hoping, but that's a pipe dream. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:49 AM

69. You are probably right of course, more than likely, rump will rag on about something else...

and Barr will finally get tired of dealing w/ rump and resign...seems to the MO with this idiotic administration...

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #69)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:10 PM

70. Barr is going to milk this slow walk for everything it's worth. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:12 PM

5. So being in contempt of congress does worry this asshole

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:49 AM

57. I really doubt it,

 

it's a civil contempt I believe. Barr doesn't need the money, a fine won't affect him. Barr is just running out the clock to the election.

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Response to watoos (Reply #57)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:36 AM

63. I think it bothers him

Among other things, he probably doesn't want to get disbarred. He also surely knows that eventually, he could face some serious criminal charges once Trump leaves office.

He's pretty ruthless, but he's only going to go so far.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:12 PM

6. OK so now we know that Bill Barr really doesn't want a subpoena

What about Don McGahn? He should be willing to testify to the House committee because he's already given Mueller 30 hours of testimony. What's he got to lose now?

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:12 PM

7. Nadler is going to deal with DOJ as long as Barr proceeds in good faith?

I suppose he thinks leopards can change their spots, too?

But this is all necessary groundwork for going to court when the contempt proceeding goes forward: "Your Honor, the Department has had ample opportunity to comply with the subpoena, but it has missed deadlines and failed to keep its promises. The Committee reluctantly turns to the court to hold the Department accountable to its constitutional duties."

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:23 PM

34. he doesnt think barr folded, but he knows who holds the cards now.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:19 PM

8. Barr will be gone by the end of July.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:25 PM

11. Why do you think that?

No snark, just curious why you predict this.

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Response to apnu (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:29 PM

12. Watch how he is thrown under the bus

after today's announcement of Documents going to Nadler. Barr is a Egomaniac and his Reputation is hanging by a thin thread.

Steve Miller and his NAZI friends won't let this guy hang around.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:11 PM

28. Barr's reputation is mud now.

He broke with Trump, is at odds with his good friend Mueller who contradicted him. Scared of going to jail the way John Mitchell did..

Made fun of by half the Country.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:16 PM

30. Yes sir re on the Jail.

Way to many Lawyers watching how this plays out. Barr has his fingerprints on so many Pardons and Sleaze Ball issues in DC . Another one to watch is Emet Flood.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:23 PM

35. perhaps being afraid of disbarment (no pun intended) is a factor

Being out of the law business might cut off some otherwise available post-trump gravy train.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:19 AM

47. Barr won't send all the documents to Nadler, no way I'm trusting him to do that

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #47)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:34 AM

67. So agree,

it is all about running the clock. You can take it to the bank,the Pardon's are written by Barr and are in a folder ready to go in a micro second.

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Response to apnu (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:30 PM

13. Because

the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:31 PM

14. But when does the House get

the full unredacted report.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:40 PM

17. My literal brain got stuck on "folds like a deck of cards".

I thought, "Now, that's a phrase I've never heard. I know houses of cards collapse, and deck-chairs fold... do decks of cards fold?" And I began hunting the intertube and found that Michael Avenatti said something almost identical in an interview some months ago... so this is indeed a phrase!

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:49 PM

20. Truly A Sweet Moment

Ironically, a small number of the redactions in the Mueller Report legitimately could be reserved for D.O.J. The problem is that the whole process is so ridiculously politicized by Barr that normal standards of professional decorum are out the window.

Still, it was nice to see D.O.J. panic when Nadler made it clear that push had come to shove!

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:51 PM

21. Dear Donald:

No. One. Is. Planning. To. Go. To. Jail. To. Protect. You.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:21 AM

48. Unnnnn , he had his sychophants that are caught in "sunk cost fallacy"

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:51 PM

23. Great news!

Well done, Democrats!

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 01:53 PM

24. Reports I'm hearing say Nadler caved and now the DoJ can selectively give him

what they want.

So who is coming out ahead here?

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:08 PM

26. Block that metaphor!

Um, you don't fold a DECK of cards.....

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:10 PM

27. Do you truly think

That Barr will give any information that is detrimental to Trump ? I don't./

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:12 PM

29. Not the report just some files

Nadler said. Details about which documents would be provided to the committee were not disclosed, but the New York Democrat said the agreement would allow all Judiciary Committee members to see "Robert Mueller's most important files ... providing us with key evidence that the Special Counsel used to assess whether the President and others obstructed justice or were engaged in other misconduct."

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:18 PM

32. Isn't it 'fold like a cheap suit' or 'fall like a house of cards'?

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Response to Bonx (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:37 AM

49. Does the Pope shit in the woods?

...or a bear wear a funny hat? uhmm...

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:22 PM

33. Sorry but in till I see otherwise

I will continue to believe any deal from the trump administration is a lie and worthless.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:26 PM

37. Bar is a contemptful criminal and is conspiring

with Trump to prevent more evidence of Trump's crimes from ending up in Congress or a grand jury. I hope Barr is folding, but I also hope the House holds Barr in contempt.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:31 PM

38. Barr with many others

When this is all over be sent to prison for all he's done. Conspiracy, cover up, and lying to Congress. He should be very scared now with what all is about to get fully exposed . The gop and trump are in deep trouble.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:07 AM

52. Agree completely.

The rethuglicon party will be gutted when this is over with.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:00 AM

58. Barr isn't afraid in the least

 

of a contempt of Congress charge. I'm pretty sure, I could be wrong, it's just a civil charge not criminal and fining Barr is useless, he doesn't need the money. Barr isn't going to release any "key" documents. Watch for that word "key" it is being used throughout the complicit M$M.

The big news is the House is voting to give Jerry Nadler the authority to go to the judge to get the grand jury information released to Congress. If, is a big word, if the judge releases the grand jury testimony to Congress it is a game changer, impeachment will follow. The grand jury is where all of the nasty dirt is.

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Response to watoos (Reply #58)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

66. Yep that is the game changer

On the other hand, I don't believe the grand jury testimony should be released to the public. Just kept under wraps by the House Judiciary Committee. If it gets out then all hell breaks loose.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:52 AM

61. No one folded.

Nadler is not getting the Mueller Report. Th DOJ will give Nadler certain but not all materials. #reality

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Response to former9thward (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:10 AM

64. He *folded* He told them they would get nothing more, and...**FOLDED**

nt

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