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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:34 PM Jun 2019

Mueller emboldened Trump with his massive failure of not indicting anyone for conspiracy.

Trump just told the whole world it's OK to help me in the next election. It is now open season on the 2020 election. The Mueller investigation will go down in history as one the biggest failures ever. We all witnessed the conspiracy and Mueller completely failed. His excuse was, They lied to me so I could not do nothing. Fucking joke.

I am tired of people defending Mueller, a Republican. That chicken shit is still fighting against appearing before Congress.

Mueller could have ended this nightmare if he wanted to. He decided to pass the buck. You deal with it. I'm going home. Don't call me.

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Mueller emboldened Trump with his massive failure of not indicting anyone for conspiracy. (Original Post) shockey80 Jun 2019 OP
i think the debates should not be on TV Cetacea Jun 2019 #1
Maybe not conspiracy... b FBaggins Jun 2019 #2
Exactly. For all practical purposes, Mueller let trump off the hook for most issues Hoyt Jun 2019 #3
There was a conspiracy, I watched it happen. shockey80 Jun 2019 #4
K&R BlueJac Jun 2019 #5
"The GOP is jumping all over Mueller. So let's all jump on Mueller! Otherwise we'll look left out!" struggle4progress Jun 2019 #6
Mueller did not do his job and took a bad situation and has made it worse. democratisphere Jun 2019 #7
Thank you. shockey80 Jun 2019 #8
Mueller could make it right, but he has said he will only recite what is in the report. democratisphere Jun 2019 #9
Da comrade whistler162 Jun 2019 #10
Is Wednesday "Mueller Day"? stillcool Jun 2019 #11
Orders from on high. Codeine Jun 2019 #13
The Special Counsel was bound by all OLC opinions and regulations, Qutzupalotl Jun 2019 #12
Signed, Mueller's Father. shockey80 Jun 2019 #14
Go to your room. Qutzupalotl Jun 2019 #15
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Lol. shockey80 Jun 2019 #16
What was the evidence to prove criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt? pnwmom Jun 2019 #17
Mueller said there was evidence. shockey80 Jun 2019 #18
How did he fail? He couldn't make up evidence. And why would a charge of pnwmom Jun 2019 #20
Please. No facts in the Warrgarbl Room. nt Codeine Jun 2019 #19
Maybe not Mueller...Barr. Karadeniz Jun 2019 #21
Alternatively you could argue that Mueller is forcing Congress to do their Constitutional duty. Nitram Jun 2019 #22
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Exactly. For all practical purposes, Mueller let trump off the hook for most issues
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jun 2019

in the report.

There are plenty of other things to get trump on. But when the lead investigator goes out of his way to say, “we identified no evidence” on at least 21 occasions, he’s letting trump off the hook.

Obstruction is not as solid as getting him on conspiracy

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
4. There was a conspiracy, I watched it happen.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jun 2019

Mueller failed to indict anyone. That is a gigantic failure. We are going to pay for that failure. We now have legalized conspiracy with foreign nations. Trump is going to take full advantage of that fact.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
8. Thank you.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:08 PM
Jun 2019

I am tired of Mueller getting a free pass for what he failed to do. He can still testify and do what is right. We shall see.

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
12. The Special Counsel was bound by all OLC opinions and regulations,
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jun 2019

so to say he could have violated them "if he wanted to" is bullshit.

Mueller did not have the authority to charge the president. Congress does. That's not "passing the buck," that's following the Constitution.

I am tired of people calling a patriot who volunteered to fight and served admirably, rescuing fellow soldiers after he got shot, "chicken shit." Remember, Nadler is confident that Mueller WILL testify soon. Mueller may have reasons for not wanting his testimony to be a spectacle that divides the country, but being "chicken" is not one of them.

The counterintelligence probe is ongoing and "continuing robustly." Mueller finished his mandate, but the cases are not "closed." Look at all the referred cases in Appendix D. As just one example, the Stone case will likely establish in court that Wikileaks is a Russian front, and associates of Stone conspired to help facilitate the attack on our country.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
17. What was the evidence to prove criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jun 2019

I'm not talking about collusion, I"m talking about criminal conspiracy.

To charge criminal conspiracy, they would have to prove that Trump conspired with Russia before Russia undertook the criminal act.

What is the evidence for that?

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
18. Mueller said there was evidence.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jun 2019

He said there was insufficient evidence because people lied. destroyed evidence. The bottom line is he failed.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
20. How did he fail? He couldn't make up evidence. And why would a charge of
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:48 PM
Jun 2019

conspiracy been any more important than multiple charges of obstruction?

Trump couldn't be indicted for any of it, according to the OLC opinion. But obstructing the investigation of Russia's wrongdoing is an extremely serious offense -- which CAN be prosecuted after Trump leaves office, if someone doesn't pardon him.

Nitram

(22,800 posts)
22. Alternatively you could argue that Mueller is forcing Congress to do their Constitutional duty.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:31 PM
Jun 2019

He did a thorough investigation and he reported on all the details. It is the duty of Congress to hold the president responsible. Don't blame Mueller.

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