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(70,215 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,122 posts)(and polls are early too, so I give leeway here of course) he's behind so much already w/ the top six or so democratic candidates and (2) how, under what constitutional provision or amendment would even suggest the ability to unilaterally claim a 2nd term (if he loses) or 3rd term (when not allowed)? Even during the peak of major wars such as the civil war, etc. we've always still held legitimate elections...
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)So much so that it looked like she was a shoo in.
We became complacent and paid the price. Not this time. We need to approach this election like it's Trump's to lose.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to the NY Times. Then, she tanked in the polls - LA Times daily tracking went from a 13 point Hillary lead 51-38 to 44-43 Trump in ONE DAY. She recovered a bit, but it was never the same afterwards.
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lunasun
(21,646 posts)In a June 12 national survey of registered voters, Quinnipiac University pollsters matched Donald Trump against the top Democratic presidential candidates: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg and Cory Booker. News outlets across the country including CNN, Newsweek and the Washington Post have reported on the resultsnamely, that Donald Trump loses against every single one of the candidates by a relatively large margin. But relatively few have mentioned that regardless of the presidential final round matchup, one thing remains true:
White people are going to vote for Trump.
Among white registered voters, Trump beat Biden by one percentage point (46 to 47) which is within the margin of error. But Trump won the white vote by six to ten points when matched up every other Democratic presidential candidate. The Quinnipiac poll is not an outlier. In a Politico/Morning Consult poll, Trump again landed within the margin of error when white voters were asked to choose between him and Joe Biden. But he won the white vote with every other Democratic contender even though the majority of them disapprove of the job he is doing as president. A poll conducted by The Economist and YouGov from June 9-11 shows that white voters would vote for Donald Trump versus a generic Democratic candidate by a margin of 10 points.
https://www.theroot.com/white-people-want-trump-1835458008
If they can get more independent voting soccer moms and joe six packs scared or riled up about Dems right before the election along with minority area vote suppression and a little bit of a russia intererence at the voting booths added thats how IMO
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)We need to prepare ourselves for the very real possibility of this happening, especially with his consiglieres on SCOTUS.
What used to be seen as pure conspiracy theory has become a terrifying possibility and I refuse to hide my head in the sand.
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)It's very easy to believe Trump would try something like this.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)And we have to be ready to tackle it.
As I said in another post all it will take is some alleged "irregularity" for Trump to take it to SCOTUS where his minions rule the day.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)He will leave.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Kicking and screaming if necessary.
delisen
(6,043 posts)or total breakdown of our law enforcement.
If Andrew Sullivan believes this is a possibility he needs to lay out his reasons or evidence
LonePirate
(13,420 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,425 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Cha
(297,211 posts)there weren't laws to remove his bitter ass forcibly?
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)The secret service is loyal to the presidency, not the president. They will drag him out of there if necessary.
Cha
(297,211 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)escorting him and his trash=family out of the White House.
There's an interesting precedent for this, albeit from a state. Total Sadist Roy Blanton (a Democrat, btw) was gov of Tennessee, and in the month or so before he left office, he started pardoning people-- some really bad guys- in return for cash. He granted clemency to 23 murderers.
A Democratic US Atty called the winning candidate (Lamar Alexander, Republican) and asked him to arrange to get sworn in early to halt the tide of murderers being freed. A secret meeting included the state supreme court chief who swore Alexander in.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/17/lamar-alexander-ray-blanton-tennessee-governor-fbi-clemency/2575822002/
Unfortunately, it looks like a new president can't get sworn in until Jan. 20, 2021, no matter what.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)He'll leave. Not saying he wants to, but the idea that he'll make himself president for life even if he loses is stupid.
LuvNewcastle
(16,845 posts)Nancy Pelosi wasnt joking when she said they needed to do an intervention. Hes falling apart and hes saying all sorts of crazy shit. I think an intervention might be coming soon. Hes doing a lot of political damage to the GOP right now and they cant afford to allow this to go on much longer.
SWBTATTReg
(22,122 posts)(the GOP) boat on this a long long time ago. The damage to their brand name is incalculable and will be one that will be difficult to overcome in future years, especially if population trends continue as they are today.
Cha
(297,211 posts)his Bitter Ass Forcibly?!!
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)Trump will be a private citizen at that moment and the Secret Service, US Marshalls, and military all are under President Democrat. So he will leave, forcibly if necessary.
Cha
(297,211 posts)trump wouldn't make it to the Inauguration of President Democrat.. he'd be too busy burrowing inside the White House lawn like a weasel.
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Nobody believed that SCOTUS would put George W Bush in the WH until they did.
All it'll take is some "irregularity" to let SCOTUS pounce.
Now, I'm not saying it'll succeed but we must ready ourselves for him to try it
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)enid602
(8,616 posts)That would be funnier.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)That's what his children Ivanka and Jr. are for. He'll just install one of them.