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Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:52 PM

What's going on with Adam Schiff?

He's always been one of my favorite Congress members, but he's acting weird lately. He's now siding with Trump and Pompeo on the Iran attack. He's saying he's disturbed that US intel isn't sharing info with Trump about Russian cyber attacks, because they don't trust him..

Schiff has never sided with Trump this much.

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Reply What's going on with Adam Schiff? (Original post)
OliverQ Jun 16 OP
BlueJac Jun 16 #1
former9thward Jun 16 #2
Paka Jun 16 #14
former9thward Jun 17 #21
cwydro Jun 17 #23
Trueblue Texan Jun 17 #26
Submariner Jun 17 #31
notinkansas Jun 17 #32
albacore Jun 16 #3
myohmy2 Jun 16 #4
Hoyt Jun 16 #5
triron Jun 16 #10
Glimmer of Hope Jun 16 #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 16 #6
VarryOn Jun 16 #9
Tarc Jun 16 #7
Sherman A1 Jun 16 #8
OliverQ Jun 16 #16
MyOwnPeace Jun 17 #27
LAS14 Jun 16 #11
Kingofalldems Jun 16 #12
Irishxs Jun 16 #13
chowder66 Jun 16 #15
stillcool Jun 16 #17
Kingofalldems Jun 16 #19
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 16 #20
malaise Jun 17 #22
True Blue American Jun 17 #29
MrsCoffee Jun 17 #24
MFGsunny Jun 17 #25
MyOwnPeace Jun 17 #30
True Blue American Jun 17 #28

Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:59 PM

1. Very strange...

giving liars a break! We have heard war drums before!

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:06 PM

2. Iran was behind the attack.

The ships did not shoot themselves. Who in the leadership or candidates are backing Iran's non-denial denial?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:20 PM

14. There are several differing opinions on the attack.

Significant are those of the Japanese crew who were on the ship at the time.

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Response to Paka (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:31 AM

21. A grand total of three crew members thought they were attacked by "something flying".

They have no idea WHO attacked them. Eyewitness accounts can be all over the place. The point is 8 ships have been attacked. Are they attacking themselves?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:39 AM

23. No, but we could be behind it.

Iím not usually a proponent of these false flag theories, but something stinks with this one.

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Response to Paka (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:58 AM

26. and the so-called photo evidence...

...that showed the explosion on the opposite side of the ship.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:26 AM

31. Yeah...I heard that same shit about the Maddox and Turner Joy in the Gulf of Tonkin

and it turned out to be a LIE but got us into a war and fucked up my plans when getting out of high school.

Is this an Iranian boat, or a Blackwater mercenary group instigating Trump's wag the dog war?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:34 AM

32. We've seen this strategy before

and it did not turn out well. Bolton has made it his life's work to bomb Iran.

Really? We're supposed to believe any of this? Again?

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:08 PM

3. Schiff strongly supports Israel against Iran, so it makes sense. nt

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:13 PM

4. maybe...

...he's running for the John McCain "I never met a war I didn't like." award...

...possible...

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:17 PM

5. Is he disturbed because he thinks trump should get it? Or is he

disturbed because trump is a security risk? I think itís the latter.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:57 PM

10. My thoughts as well.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:38 PM

18. Definitely!

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:26 PM

6. He's on the Intelligence Committee and he certainly knows more than we do.

If there is credible intelligence that Iran or someone allied with Iran was behind the attack, that's not "siding with Trump and Pompeo" to say so. That's relying on intelligence sources. Of course the reasons for the attack and the appropriate reaction of the U.S. to it will be spun to Trump's advantage, but that doesn't mean Schiff is wrong or siding with Trump if he says Iran was involved, considering his access to intelligence.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:53 PM

9. If he's seen evidence that proves Iran did this, Schiff should say so...

even if it aligns with you-know-who. We certainly should expect him to take a difference stance merely becausethe President has another view.

It's not much of a leap to accept Iran did this, although we need solid proof.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:31 PM

7. I place more faith in the Democratic chair of the House Intelligence Committee

Thank on an citation-free "concern" given by an avatar-less forum-goer.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:47 PM

8. While I have considerable faith in Adam Schiff

Because a poster asks a question and doesnít have an avatar is hardly a reason to dismiss them.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:25 PM

16. Oh my bad. I guess if I put an "I Voted"

Avatar on my profile, I would totally prove myself to be legit..

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Response to Tarc (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:07 AM

27. So,

Looks like I should add an avatar if I want my thoughts or opinions to be considered valid.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:01 PM

11. Maybe he's not "siding with Trump." Maybe he's just saying what he thinks. nt

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:04 PM

12. Interesting post and thread.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:16 PM

13. Heard him today about the Iran video, and I thought "what's up with Schiff?"

He hasnít seemed as patient on RM either. Sounds bothered about being there.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:23 PM

15. Here are Adam Schiff's quotes;

"What I found most disturbing about that New York Times story about whether we're preparing the battlefield, in terms of the electrical grid in Russia, was the fact that the security officials with the administration felt they couldn't tell this to the president because he might compromise that information in a conversation with the Russians," Schiff told "Face the Nation" Sunday.

"Or he might countermand their orders, their military decisions, because of the president's obsequious attitude towards Russia," he added.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adam-schiff-on-face-the-nation-cites-disturbing-report-of-military-keeping-trump-in-the-dark-on-russia/

On Edit: Schiff seems to be saying he's disturbed about the NTY report that the military is holding back info because Trump is too risky. Not that he thinks they should share the information with Trump.

And regarding Iran;

REP. SCHIFF: There's no question that Iran is behind the attacks. I think the evidence is very strong and compelling. In- in fact, I think this was a class "A" screw up by Iran to insert a mine on the ship. It didn't detonate. They had to go back and retrieve it. I can imagine there are some Iranian heads rolling for that botched operation. But nonetheless, the problem is that we are struggling, even in the midst of this solid evidence, to persuade our allies to join us in any kind of a response and it shows just how isolated the United States has become. Our allies warned the United States, I think our intelligence agencies warned policymakers, that this kind of Iranian reaction was likely a result of a policy of withdrawing from the Iran Nuclear Agreement.

And so what we see is a split of the US from our allies and we see Russia and China coming together and having Iran's back. This is, I think, the worst of all situations and the maximalist pressure campaign has massively failed and only heightened the risk of conflict. For my colleague, Senator Cotton, to advocate that we attack Iran and provoke a war, that there's no Congressional authorization necessary, I think is exactly the wrong answer on- on both levels. Congressional approval is necessary to initiate hostilities against Iran. We should be trying to corral a response, though, from the international community to protect shipping, to impose sanctions, but because we have so alienated ourselves from our allies, that's not happening.

On Edit: Schiff is saying that there is something to this but that there should basically be a way around this that avoids a military conflict.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-rep-adam-schiff-on-face-the-nation-june-16-2019/

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:31 PM

17. thank you!..

I don't like to click on links when I don't know where they're going, and the OP has no information,...thanks for the explanation. The Information Age sucks.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:44 PM

19. So he did not agree with Trump at all it seems

contradicting the OP and a few of the responses. Interesting.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:02 PM

20. This also forces me to question where do our Reps get their info?

Could some of Trump's people be planting bogus intel that's fed to our Reps through standard channels?

Trumps people (like W's) create their own reality and know that some will follow without question and then feed it into the echo chamber. But, I would anticipate Rep. Schiff would know that and endeavor to verify his intel.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:36 AM

22. Just like pre-Iraq

Good post

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:09 AM

29. Yes!

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:40 AM

24. Wow. Not quite what the OP asserted at all.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:56 AM

25. Very helpful. Thanks for posting. Clarity is always enlightening. Context big difference from OP.

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Response to MFGsunny (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:11 AM

30. Indeed!

Plus, he has an avatar!

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:09 AM

28. The scary part for me is

The Pentagon does not trust Trump enough to give him information because he might tell it.

That is what I read in Schiff's words. Not sure about the Iran info, except Bolton has wanted a war with Iran for 20 years and Trumpís choices are too dumb to care.

Netanyahu would love a war. Deflect from all his problems, wife convicted, him charged and he can not even form a Government. And Trump will do anything to detract from his criminality.

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