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But Johnson has been caught in lies before and shrugged them off. Its why Bannon compares him to Trump. He has described him as one of the most important persons on the world stage today and drawn the obvious comparison: Look at some of the scandals around Trump the sexism and racism. Nothing sticks. You cant lay a glove on him.
But whats new and potentially toxic for Johnson is what the apparent relationship with Bannon says about him. Johnsons love life is once again dominating the news, but its his engagement with populist far-right politics and rhetoric that could and should worry other people more.
Why? Because Bannon is the man who laid the groundwork for Donald Trumps victory. First as the executive chairman of Breitbart, the far-right website, and then as Trumps campaign manager and chief strategist. A man who is open in admiration of both Mussolini and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, aka Tommy Robinson, the former EDL leader whom he described as the backbone of Britain and who has been working with openly racist far-right leaders across Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/22/boris-johnson-steve-bannon-texts-foreign-secretary-resignation-speech?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Here is proof on tape. Steve Bannon helped write your resignation speech. You are a pathological liar, unfit to serve.
Fucking hell... Steve bloody Bannon... Why can't you all keep you nasty fuckers at home?
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bannon-as-lenin-bolsheviks-seize-power_b_59e55dc5e4b04e9111a3e475
https://ahtribune.com/us/maga/1977-bannon-wars.html
https://medium.com/defiant/you-must-understand-vladimir-lenin-like-steve-bannon-does-79ec9e982790
canetoad
(18,304 posts)Just posted parallels between this and 'House of Cards'.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)I remember the liberals and conservatives I spoke to were adamant, that UK conservatives did not have the guns/KKK kind of orientation associated with the US. I hope things haven't changed that much.
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)There's always been the 'us' v. 'them', ethnocentrism thing. Mobs, like dictators, are fearsome. Angry caucuses are very common - always have been.
The roots here in the US, imo, date back to the heyday of slavery, when cotton and slaveowners were king. The feudal estates were huge and very valuable. They predated the Industrial Age and ruled the land.
'. . . and so it goes'. - Vonnegut
VOX
(22,976 posts)He is a dangerous, utterly toxic creature who has ZERO qualms about destroying peoples lives by fomenting chaos and confusion, and blueprinting the destruction of the worlds vulnerable democratic governments. He does so by amping up the WORST aspects of the human personality: blind hatred of the other, anti-Semitism (globalists, as used by David Duke and Alex Jones), militarism, and destruction, in this case, of checks and balances, transparency, and stability.
Bannon, doggedly pursuing what he terms deconstruction of the administrative state, has spread his ideology by coaching right-wing nationalists worldwide. Hes been given shrift by nationalists in the U.S. and U.K. (obviously), Russia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Italy, France, Sweden, Israel, Brazil, and hes expected to consult on 45s re-election bid (no surprise there).
Just take one look at Bannon: his crusty, greasy, scabby, moth-eaten, repulsive exterior dark is merely a reflection of the disturbed, dark undercurrents going on INSIDE the man. More than any other alt-right/neo-fascist, Bannon got the ball rolling for 45 and his team of far-right extremists. (They are anything but conservative.) Hes even acknowledged having a role in selecting 45s insane, ill-fitting and nihilistic cabinet appointees, stating that they were selected for a reason, and that is deconstruction.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-wh-strategist-vows-a-daily-fight-for-deconstruction-of-the-administrative-state/2017/02/23/03f6b8da-f9ea-11e6-bf01-d47f8cf9b643_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c6d384eb687a
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What is his end game? Is there some kind of method to his madness or is he being propelled by a destructive, nihilistic impulse?
Turin_C3PO
(16,141 posts)isolated and nationalistic. He wants each country to express their native culture fully without influence from others and immigrants, especially the non-white and Muslim variety.
Hes a sick fascist.
VOX
(22,976 posts)He foresees a white nationalist empire running from North America across Europe into Russia. His reasoning is to create new, strange-bedfellow alliances between old enemies, in order to combat the migration of brown people who are fleeing their countries due to political upheaval, and the effects of climate change, where water and crops are increasingly difficult to manage.
Bannons favorite book reveals his true nature: a lurid, extremely racist 1973 French novel, Camp of the Saints, by Jean Raspail, which presents the following scenario, per Sarah Jones in New Republic, 02/02/18:
https://newrepublic.com/article/146925/notorious-book-ties-right-far-right
Raspails enemy is the entire non-white world. It tramples monks and white saviors alike in its invasion of France. His refugees are nameless caricatures, with no inner lives. He ascribes to them an almost supernatural combination of obstinance and depravity. The smell of death is the first sign their rickety ships are about to land, because they dump their corpses in the sea. They are savages, led by a literal shit-eater, and they foist their poison dead upon the shores of Europe before their feet touch earth.
And here is a telling portion of a reader review on Amazon, where the book has 308 reviews and a disturbing 4.5-star rating:
The truth people do not face
This ill-reputed narrative of the invasion of France by filthy outcaste masses from India has been reprinted several times since its publication in 1973 and seems to be going stronger than ever. Recently Steve Bannon called the recent migrations from Middle Eastern countries a Camp of Saints type of thing. Commonly ragarded as a racist tract, this book is actually rich in ideas and says more about the West than the East.I had no idea this Steve, eh, Bannon existed at all, the author said recently in an interview with Tablet magazine. ... a French journalist had me listen to what Bannon said about me the other day. I must say I was stunned. ... I dont know this character and he has understood The Camp of the Saints. He has said that reading it made him see what should be done. Isnt it extraordinary?
More here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2018/05/the-insanity-of-alt-right-bannon-approved-the-camp-of-the-saints/amp/
Alt-Right Bible Camp of The Saints Proves Everyones Still Insane
The Observer
By Michael Malice 05/02/18
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Yet for members of the alt-right, these arent headlines so much as a prophecy made 45 years ago. In 1973, French author Jean Raspail published Le Camp des Saints, translated into English as The Camp of the Saints. Steve Bannon has repeatedly made reference to the text, using it as a shorthand for the worst-case-scenarios of immigration. Richard Spencers Radix declared it highly original and decreed that Raspails narrative, howsoever exaggerated for effect, was a distillation and condensation of observable reality.
The plot of the book is the same as todays stories: Does the West have the will to repel Third-World migration? Though the novelmore a fable than anything elseis largely unknown to the general population, for the demographics is destiny crowd it approximates the same place that Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged does for libertarians.
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Tech
(1,922 posts)Turin_C3PO
(16,141 posts)I used to hear that British conservatives were less radical than ours because they werent as racist, religious, and gun happy. Is that changing?
On edit: looks like I posted a question that a post above mine already asked.