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(9,685 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:03 AM Jun 2019

The American Alt-Right poison at the heart of UK Politics.

When told there was a video of Bannon talking about it, his advisers changed track. A spokesman told the Observer that the idea of him taking advice from Bannon was “preposterous to the point of conspiracy”. He conspicuously failed to repeat the previous denials about the pair being in touch, however.

But Johnson has been caught in lies before and shrugged them off. It’s why Bannon compares him to Trump. He has described him as “one of the most important persons on the world stage today” and drawn the obvious comparison: “Look at some of the scandals around Trump – the sexism and racism. Nothing sticks. You can’t lay a glove on him.”

But what’s new and potentially toxic for Johnson is what the apparent relationship with Bannon says about him. Johnson’s love life is once again dominating the news, but it’s his engagement with populist far-right politics and rhetoric that could and should worry other people more.

Why? Because Bannon is the man who laid the groundwork for Donald Trump’s victory. First as the executive chairman of Breitbart, the far-right website, and then as Trump’s campaign manager and chief strategist. A man who is open in admiration of both Mussolini and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, aka Tommy Robinson, the former EDL leader whom he described as “the backbone of Britain” and who has been working with openly racist far-right leaders across Europe.


When I called out @BorisJohnson's links with hard right, white supremacist Steve Bannon in April, Johnson branded it a "Lefty delusion".

Here is proof on tape. Steve Bannon helped write your resignation speech. You are a pathological liar, unfit to serve.

Fucking hell... Steve bloody Bannon... Why can't you all keep you nasty fuckers at home?

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(15,751 posts)
3. Some years back I spent a little time in the UK, mostly at Oxford.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:52 AM
Jun 2019

I remember the liberals and conservatives I spoke to were adamant, that UK conservatives did not have the guns/KKK kind of orientation associated with the US. I hope things haven't changed that much.


(15,751 posts)
7. I don't like the rw given word of 'populism'. Too soft.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:26 AM
Jun 2019

There's always been the 'us' v. 'them', ethnocentrism thing. Mobs, like dictators, are fearsome. Angry caucuses are very common - always have been.

The roots here in the US, imo, date back to the heyday of slavery, when cotton and slaveowners were king. The feudal estates were huge and very valuable. They predated the Industrial Age and ruled the land.

'. . . and so it goes'. - Vonnegut


(22,976 posts)
4. Bannon is a scourge to democracy; that bastard has sown chaos on at least 3 continents...
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:25 AM
Jun 2019

He is a dangerous, utterly toxic creature who has ZERO qualms about destroying people’s lives by fomenting chaos and confusion, and blueprinting the destruction of the world’s vulnerable democratic governments. He does so by amping up the WORST aspects of the human personality: blind hatred of “the other,” anti-Semitism (“globalists,” as used by David Duke and Alex Jones), militarism, and destruction, in this case, of checks and balances, transparency, and stability.

Bannon, doggedly pursuing what he terms “deconstruction of the administrative state,” has spread his ideology by coaching right-wing nationalists worldwide. He’s been given shrift by nationalists in the U.S. and U.K. (obviously), Russia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Italy, France, Sweden, Israel, Brazil, and he’s expected to consult on 45’s re-election bid (no surprise there).

Just take one look at Bannon: his crusty, greasy, scabby, moth-eaten, repulsive exterior dark is merely a reflection of the disturbed, dark undercurrents going on INSIDE the man. More than any other alt-right/neo-fascist, Bannon got the ball rolling for 45 and his team of far-right extremists. (They are anything but “conservative.”) He’s even acknowledged having a role in selecting 45’s insane, ill-fitting and nihilistic cabinet appointees, stating that they “were selected for a reason, and that is deconstruction.”




(63,221 posts)
8. What is Bannon's ultimate goal? We know he wants to tear it all down, but then what?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jun 2019

What is his end game? Is there some kind of method to his madness or is he being propelled by a destructive, nihilistic impulse?


(13,493 posts)
10. As far as I know, he wants every European country to be
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:48 AM
Jun 2019

isolated and nationalistic. He wants each country to express their native culture fully without influence from “others” and immigrants, especially the non-white and Muslim variety.

He’s a sick fascist.


(22,976 posts)
11. Bannon's goal: destroy liberal democracies from within, opening the way for white-nationalist rule.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:32 PM
Jun 2019

He foresees a white nationalist “empire” running from North America across Europe into Russia. His “reasoning” is to create new, strange-bedfellow alliances between old enemies, in order to combat the migration of brown people who are fleeing their countries due to political upheaval, and the effects of climate change, where water and crops are increasingly difficult to manage.

Bannon’s favorite book reveals his true nature: a lurid, extremely racist 1973 French novel, “Camp of the Saints,” by Jean Raspail, which presents the following scenario, per Sarah Jones in New Republic, 02/02/18:

Raspail’s enemy is the entire non-white world. It tramples monks and white saviors alike in its invasion of France. His refugees are nameless caricatures, with no inner lives. He ascribes to them an almost supernatural combination of obstinance and depravity. The smell of death is the first sign their rickety ships are about to land, because they dump their corpses in the sea. They are savages, led by a literal shit-eater, and they foist their poison dead upon the shores of Europe before their feet touch earth.

And here is a telling portion of a reader review on Amazon, where the book has 308 reviews and a disturbing 4.5-star rating:
The truth people do not face
This ill-reputed narrative of the invasion of France by filthy outcaste masses from India has been reprinted several times since its publication in 1973 and seems to be going stronger than ever. Recently Steve Bannon called the recent migrations from Middle Eastern countries a ‘Camp of Saints’ type of thing”. Commonly ragarded as a racist tract, this book is actually rich in ideas and says more about the West than the East.“I had no idea this Steve, eh, Bannon existed at all,” the author said recently in an interview with Tablet magazine. “... a French journalist had me listen to what Bannon said about me the other day. I must say I was stunned. ... I don’t know this character and he has understood “The Camp of the Saints.” He has said that reading it made him see what should be done. Isn’t it extraordinary?”

More here:
Alt-Right Bible ‘Camp of The Saints’ Proves Everyone’s Still Insane
The Observer
By Michael Malice 05/02/18
Yet for members of the alt-right, these aren’t headlines so much as a prophecy made 45 years ago. In 1973, French author Jean Raspail published “Le Camp des Saints,” translated into English as “The Camp of the Saints.” Steve Bannon has repeatedly made reference to the text, using it as a shorthand for the worst-case-scenarios of immigration. Richard Spencer’s Radix declared it “highly original” and decreed that Raspail’s “narrative, howsoever exaggerated for effect, was a distillation and condensation of observable reality.”

The plot of the book is the same as today’s stories: Does the West have the will to repel Third-World migration? Though the novel—more a fable than anything else—is largely unknown to the general population, for the “demographics is destiny” crowd it approximates the same place that Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” does for libertarians.


(13,493 posts)
9. That's sad.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jun 2019

I used to hear that British conservatives were less radical than ours because they weren’t as racist, religious, and gun happy. Is that changing?

On edit: looks like I posted a question that a post above mine already asked.

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