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Adam Schiff on Impeachment: "I'm Not Prepared To Recommend It" (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2019 OP
Yes cause it isnt clear as to whether or not trump ..... oh never mind Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #1
As Trump gets bolder and bolder, the Dems get more and more timid. world wide wally Jun 2019 #2
Why can't he simply listen to the emotional demands of the blogosphere? brooklynite Jun 2019 #4
what BS shanny Jun 2019 #10
For sure. triron Jun 2019 #13
It's a waste of time, the same as it was when Republicans did it to Clinton. Princetonian Jun 2019 #3
100% wrong world wide wally Jun 2019 #5
I refer to the midterm elections not 2000. Princetonian Jun 2019 #7
lol shanny Jun 2019 #11
They are doing quite well under Pelosi's guidance. Princetonian Jun 2019 #15
sez who? you? shanny Jun 2019 #16
Sez every single poll. Princetonian Jun 2019 #19
every single poll of what, exactly? shanny Jun 2019 #20
Voters approving of Democrats over Republicans in almost every category of question Princetonian Jun 2019 #21
Even if true it is irrelevant. triron Jun 2019 #17
This is so true. Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #9
And committing treason to win the WH plus being a serial rapist and a crook. This is ridiculous. triron Jun 2019 #14
Mueller is afraid to testify, they need to subpoena Mueller! 4139 Jun 2019 #6
wrong question: shanny Jun 2019 #8
It appears his reasoning is that he wants a court order treestar Jun 2019 #12
They want Trump to defy a court order, that raises the stakes & builds public support. CaptainTruth Jun 2019 #18

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
2. As Trump gets bolder and bolder, the Dems get more and more timid.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jun 2019

Thinking this will somehow get us more votes is like saying billionaire tax cuts generate more revenue

brooklynite

(94,568 posts)
4. Why can't he simply listen to the emotional demands of the blogosphere?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:50 AM
Jun 2019

It's as if he thought he had some political experience or something.

triron

(22,003 posts)
13. For sure.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jun 2019

Schiff has me very consternated and somewhat depressed. What in the world does he want to see
beyond what we now know? This is just insane.

 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
3. It's a waste of time, the same as it was when Republicans did it to Clinton.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:24 AM
Jun 2019

Right after they impeached Clinton, voters punished Republicans at the ballot box.

Impeachment won't get rid of Chump. Let's focus on 2020.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
5. 100% wrong
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jun 2019

The Repubes took the house, the senate and the next Presidential election.
Also... they are not even remotely similar is scope. One had to do with getting a blowjob while the other is about the President fucking the Constitution and the public.

 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
7. I refer to the midterm elections not 2000.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jun 2019

I did not say they were "similar in scope" by the way. I merely think it is a colossal waste of political capital leading to an election year.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
11. lol
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jun 2019

what political capital do you think Democrats will have leading into a election year if they don't do their damn jobs?

 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
15. They are doing quite well under Pelosi's guidance.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jun 2019

They were not elected to impeach Chump. I trust the Democratic leadership to navigate the next 1.5 years.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
16. sez who? you?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jun 2019

From where I sit they look scattered, ineffective and weak...oh and WAY too often surprised by the actions of pukes, elected and not.

 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
19. Sez every single poll.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jun 2019

From where I look and from the people I interact with everyday they look fine. Then again, I am busy volunteering for my local Democratic party to GOTV in Philly.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
20. every single poll of what, exactly?
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jun 2019

because I have a poll that says 76% of Democrats are in favor of impeachment.

 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
21. Voters approving of Democrats over Republicans in almost every category of question
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:39 PM
Jun 2019

I do not agree with impeachment for the reasons I told you.

I am glad that Nancy Pelosi is not guided by polls for her decisions regarding the efficacy of impeachment. If you recall, there were calls to impeach Dubya as well that she resisted.

Polls are fickle and are snapshots in time. Last year, the polls showed only a minority of voters wanted impeachment. Next year, candidates will be busy. The last thing I want is all the media time being used up to cover useless impeachment proceedings and Chump's self-righteous denials. I want the focus to be on the Democratic candidate though Reply #18 sets up a scenario which I can agree is a good approach which will drive public opinion to our side.

Winning in 2020 is everything to me. That's pretty much common sense. I detest Chump but if you and others want to make these kind of decisions based on emotion, have at it but do not expect me to join you. When he is out of office, I expect lots of civil and criminal litigation to begin. He will spend the rest of his life fighting legal battles that all but the worst lawyers will take on though even they know he never pays his lawyers (see Michael Cohen).

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. This is so true.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:43 PM
Jun 2019

Of course the Media pushed the Blowjob as a Historic Crime of the Century. And during this same era,the Media became a Corporate Function and a Infotainment Business rather than a News and Information Business.

4139

(1,893 posts)
6. Mueller is afraid to testify, they need to subpoena Mueller!
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jun 2019

Can’t move foreword till mueller testifies

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. It appears his reasoning is that he wants a court order
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jun 2019

that the administration comply with subpoenas and for the administration to still refuse. The interview isn't long enough (or the clip) for him to explain why he requires that standard.

CaptainTruth

(6,591 posts)
18. They want Trump to defy a court order, that raises the stakes & builds public support.
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jun 2019

We all know the Senate won't convict/remove Trump, therefore impeaching him won't change anything. Given that sad fact, the best we can hope for is to do maximum damage to him & all Repubs who support him at the ballot box. The way to do that is with continued hearings (educating more of the public about his crimes) & pushing him to the point of defying a court order, which is where all the lawsuits are going.

Once he defies a court order, the courts enter the picture in an enforcement role, on our side. It becomes 2 against 1 (Congress & the courts against Trump) & the battle that plays out is Trump fighting the courts (a matter of justice & lawbreaking) instead of Trump fighting Democrats, which appears far more partisan & makes it easy for Trump/GOP to spin as just more of the "politically-motivated deep state Democrat coup attempt."

IMHO, setting this up as a battle between Trump & the courts, as Dems are doing, is the smartest approach & yields the best possible outcome for our side in 2020 & beyond.
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