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NanceGreggs

(27,816 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:03 PM Jun 2019

Don't Even GO THERE

Don’t tell me you’re a Trump supporter AND a good Christian. There is no such animal.

Don’t wave your New Testament in my face while you ignore the teachings of The Nazarene.

Don’t claim to be a follower of Christ while you support a lying, thieving, pussy-grabbing adulterer who has told over 10,000 lies since he took office.

Don’t rattle your rosary at me while cheering the imprisonment of innocent children in concentration camps.

Don’t insist that your bigotry and racism is somehow supported by the Bible.

Don’t try to convince me that when Jesus admonished his followers to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, and care for the sick what he really meant was to do the exact opposite.

Don’t tout your alleged “Christian principles” while you worship a man who has absolutely no principles whatsoever.

Don’t blaspheme by adoring the Golden Calf that has led you to turn against everything you allegedly once believed in.

If you are willing to turn a blind eye to children being traumatized and abused, you are not a Christian. If you are willing to look the other way while your “pResident” demeans people on the basis of their race or ethnicity, you are not a Christian. If you are willing to watch your fellow citizens suffer and die for lack of affordable healthcare, you are not a Christian.

The religious leaders who told you that Trump was “chosen by God” are NOT Christians. If they were, they would never have tried to convince you that a man known for decades to be a thief, a liar, a racist, and a bigot, who has been accused repeatedly of sexually assaulting women and young girls, was a man that God would choose to lead anyone anywhere.

So now it’s up to you. You can return to your Christian faith and adhere to its principles – or you can continue to support a “pResident” who personifies behaviour and policies that are contrary to everything Jesus taught – and everything you purportedly believe in.

But DON’T ever tell me you’re a Christian AND a Trump supporter. You’re either one or the other. And if you still insist that you are a good Christian who fears “the loss of heaven and the pains of hell”, you might want to prepare for your final judgment by coming up with a good explanation for why you abandoned every tenet of your faith, and every teaching of Christ, in order to fall on your knees before a man who represents everything Jesus admonished you to reject.

There are children – innocent children! – who are being held in conditions that most Americans would find unconscionable were they stray dogs. If you find this situation to be acceptable, if you condone it because your “pResident” has decreed it, if you believe that THIS is what your God would have approved of, you have not only failed as Christians, you have failed as human beings.

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Don't Even GO THERE (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jun 2019 OP
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #1
Nance DENVERPOPS Jun 2019 #45
K & R!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #2
Self-delusion is kind of their thing. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #3
Fucking A 47of74 Jun 2019 #4
And DON'T YOU DARE sing "Away in a manger," when one child is imprisoned in a fierywoman Jun 2019 #5
Amen to that! K&R! 2naSalit Jun 2019 #6
K and R...outstanding..thanks for posting.. Stuart G Jun 2019 #7
Jesus called them Pharisees cutroot Jun 2019 #8
Yes. narnian60 Jun 2019 #38
But they don't see it ladym55 Jun 2019 #58
There are none so blind as those who will not see cutroot Jun 2019 #60
AMEN! nancy1942 Jun 2019 #9
K & R! pazzyanne Jun 2019 #10
But these irreverent hypocrites will ask God for forgiveness.. Hulk Jun 2019 #11
History and your fellow citizens will remember who you are and what you were willing to ignore. usaf-vet Jun 2019 #12
Hear Hear! Wonderful as always, Nance lunamagica Jun 2019 #13
One of your best, Nance. 3catwoman3 Jun 2019 #14
Right wing churches are 110% complicit in this. Initech Jun 2019 #15
On fire tonight, Nance! summer_in_TX Jun 2019 #16
This. Politicub Jun 2019 #17
In most cases, their blinding issue is abortion. They gloss over the rest like a deer in headlights. Firestorm49 Jun 2019 #43
I had an Acquaintance say something similar to me in a brewery of all places. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #44
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2019 #18
You outdid yourself with this one Leith Jun 2019 #19
Some of these evangelicals live as if PatrickforO Jun 2019 #20
You'd almost think that someone actually told them that! FiveGoodMen Jun 2019 #47
Absolutely awesome! alwaysinasnit Jun 2019 #21
No journalist I've ever seen has *adequately* addressed this issue when interviewing Pence RockRaven Jun 2019 #22
Nailed it MFM008 Jun 2019 #23
Thanks for telling it like it is. nt oasis Jun 2019 #24
They do GO THERE every day Martin Eden Jun 2019 #25
K&R Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #26
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2019 #27
What an amazing piece of writing. llmart Jun 2019 #28
Whenever a fundie tells me that God raised up Donald Trump,... MarianJack Jun 2019 #29
Great post k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2019 #30
+1000! mcar Jun 2019 #31
WOW! great read! bluestarone Jun 2019 #32
K&R Gothmog Jun 2019 #33
These people believe in a odd form of Christianity Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #34
They pray to a muscular, militaristic Jesus, carrying an AR-15 and a Glock instead of a cross sop Jun 2019 #48
No True Scotsman. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #35
Yes, from 0-10, they are deeply in the negatives. Lars39 Jun 2019 #40
Thank You! wendyb-NC Jun 2019 #36
Thank you. JPPaverage Jun 2019 #37
Great post. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #39
Thank you. Firestorm49 Jun 2019 #41
Yes. Thank you. nolabear Jun 2019 #42
Great OP LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #46
+1 n/t Laelth Jun 2019 #50
Beautifully said. n/t Laelth Jun 2019 #49
K&R 1000000! redstatebluegirl Jun 2019 #51
K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #52
Exceptional proud patriot Jun 2019 #53
+100000 bluecollar2 Jun 2019 #54
Thank You for calling out the so-called "Christians" Cha Jun 2019 #55
This needs to be made into a commercial relayerbob Jun 2019 #56
I recently had a discussion with a very Christian lady who is in church every Sunday and Wednesday, mtngirl47 Jun 2019 #57
Thank you, Nance ladym55 Jun 2019 #59
Oh heck yes! As a Christian I'm so glad to see this, Nance! UrbScotty Jun 2019 #61
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
1. Hear, hear!
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:12 PM
Jun 2019

Thank you Nance!

This should be posted to Facebook and on every other social media site where it can go viral. Sorry, I am a technological idiot and not on social media except for Pinterest and twitter, but I know we have a lot of people here who are good at this kind of thing.

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
45. Nance
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:02 PM
Jun 2019

Love your rants. I wish you would do a MAJOR one on the total reality that the only reason Trump exists is because of the Republican Controlled Senators. If it weren't for all of them in lockstep with his every move, Trump would not exist.
Go after all of them constantly, including names, in every Rant you do..........

The Dems shouldn't be obsessed with Trump, they should be going after all the Repubs in the Senate. The Repubs in the Senate are the ONLY thing giving him the power to accomplish everything they have done and are continuing to do daily. In focusing on Trump, the Dems are enabling him by not nailing the TRUE cause of all this horrific destruction of America.

Putin/Trump are blackmailing them all with some juicy crap in their personal lives. Find out what it is and expose them all to destroy the Putin/Trump power hold on them...................

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
3. Self-delusion is kind of their thing.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:23 PM
Jun 2019

And it takes some serious self-delusion to make any kind of pro-Trump religious argument.

It still boggles my mind that some people strongly believe that he was sent by God to save 'Merica. It's nuts.

fierywoman

(7,688 posts)
5. And DON'T YOU DARE sing "Away in a manger," when one child is imprisoned in a
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:50 PM
Jun 2019

US-sanctioned concentration camp!

cutroot

(876 posts)
8. Jesus called them Pharisees
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jun 2019

The evangelicals all know very well what this word is, and it's implications.


Phar·i·see
/ˈferəˌsē/
Learn to pronounce
noun
plural noun: Pharisees
a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
58. But they don't see it
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jun 2019

To them, Pharisees were Jews who lived in the time of Jesus. It's too much of a stretch to their very literal minds to see that legalism and self-righteousness were the points of the stories--not one particular group at a particular point in history.

Now, with this very literal mindset one would think these folks would then follow Jesus' teachings literally as well. Not so much. They cling to a few (like no one gets to the father except through me) or go and spread the word. The core teachings--the point--they just don't get.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
10. K & R!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:03 AM
Jun 2019

You speak for me, and eloquently! I have never been more outraged than I am at this moment. We are paying for the travesty that the tRump administration is perpetrating upon these innocents. Why can we not stop this from happening? This is not the America I grew up in where we took in the poor and downtrodden to help them find a better life. My own grandparents and great grandparents came here to find a better life. Over the years, many churches sponsored immigrant/ asylum seeker families in our communities. Why is it so hard for some people to not be able to acknowledge their families who came to America came as immigrants and asylum seekers. I simply blows my mind!

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
11. But these irreverent hypocrites will ask God for forgiveness..
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jun 2019

...and everything will be fixed. You see, that's just how shallow and phony their Christian faith really is.

"Forgive me Lord"...now, let me go back to raping and plundering " in your name". Pathetic heathens.

Initech

(100,097 posts)
15. Right wing churches are 110% complicit in this.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:25 AM
Jun 2019

Hell, so are the deplorables and anyone who cheerleads on Trump. This is mortifying. I never again in my life ever want to hear some religious nut dare look me in the face and say they're "pro life" or that they actually care about children. They're clearly not and they clearly don't.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
17. This.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:38 AM
Jun 2019

My fundie relatives give Trump a pass because they believe God put him in office. They even have an out-of-context bible verse to paper over his immoral and corrupt acts.

I saw one of my cousins this weekend. He’s very active in his church and frequently posts right wing memes. One particularly crazy one was a drawing of Trump at his desk in the Oval Office with white renaissance Jesus standing behind him with his hand on Trump’s shoulder, but I digress.

Anyway, I don’t talk politics with the extended fam. I really don’t see them that much, so I don’t want to create conflict. I live in the city, but my parents still live in the small town where I grew up along with most everyone else in my fam.

While I was there over the weekend, my fundie cousin ripped into me, unprovoked, talking about how Atlanta was a cesspool and how rural Georgia is going to punish it because god’s protection has been removed since Atlanta has abortion clinics.

I told him, don’t you ever judge me or try to act all “holier than thou” when the man you support as president has children locked in cages and constantly lies. Spare me the bullshit about how he’s some kind of tool of god just because he sticks it transgender people, takes food stamps from hungry families and wants to get rid of people’s healthcare. And, I told him that he should also know that the fundamentalist embrace of this lunatic is revealing the sham of Christianity. Good luck with getting converts after this.

He said he would pray for me. And I told him he can save his thoughts and prayers for Trump Jesus.

His mouth dropped, I think because, in his eyes, I had the audacity to be so blasphemous. He’s completely blind to the damage that Trump is doing to people who need help the most. And I couldn’t be happier that the people who cling to Trump are quickening the falling number of religious people in America.

Finally, I said, and don’t you ever lecture me again about how I live my life. You have no moral authority. None.

And that was that.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
44. I had an Acquaintance say something similar to me in a brewery of all places.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 01:33 PM
Jun 2019

When told he would pray for me I told him not to bother because I am not superstitious.

Upon his reply that he was not superstitious I told him religion is the name people give the superstition they believe in.

Ended the conversation nicely.

We still speak. About beer. Not much else.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
19. You outdid yourself with this one
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:42 AM
Jun 2019

Every word is true. I'm an atheist and a better Christian than they are.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
20. Some of these evangelicals live as if
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:44 AM
Jun 2019

they feel like they can be utter dirtbags for their whole lives, then repent on their deathbeds and go to heaven.

RockRaven

(14,984 posts)
22. No journalist I've ever seen has *adequately* addressed this issue when interviewing Pence
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 01:10 AM
Jun 2019

I think if any journo had performed to a standard which would have satisfied me on this score, I probably would have heard about it... I certainly don't follow every media outlet, but I've NEVER been surprised in the positive direction on this matter. And that's a BFD because Pence is allegedly THE uber-Xian-Trumpist.

Feel free, anyone, to point me in the right direction, but I'm pretty sure any of them *who even have the fortitude to raise the issue at all* do not press the matter with any sort of intellectual honesty or rigor -- at best they ask a "hard question" and let his BS smarmy answer stand without adequate probing.

llmart

(15,548 posts)
28. What an amazing piece of writing.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:52 AM
Jun 2019

This needs to be all over social media, it's that good.

I had a thought yesterday about what I could do, small but would make me feel better. There is a very large Catholic church in my area that has their people place little blue and pink flags all over their massive front yard two or three times a year. It's on a heavily trafficked street. We all know it's their way of saying "oh look how many "babies" are killed by abortion. I want to go talk to the priests and ask them if they could have their parish put flags in the front to represent all of the little children who are now imprisoned in concentration camps. I would say to him/them, "So what color do you think we should use for the flags?" "Can we keep them there until the children are all reunited with their parents?" I just want to put them on the spot.

So glad I'm an atheist, and as someone else posted, I'm a better Christian than most so-called religious people.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
29. Whenever a fundie tells me that God raised up Donald Trump,...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:24 AM
Jun 2019

...I tell them that it means that God chose to be a moron.

RESIST!

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,135 posts)
34. These people believe in a odd form of Christianity
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jun 2019

Last edited Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:16 AM - Edit history (1)

One that's perhaps more akin to voodoo.

They believe all they have to do is say they accept Jesus and they're magically saved. Never mind the biblical passage "Faith without works is dead."

In a society prone to instant gratification, get rich quick schemes and so on it's not surprising a religion promising instant salvation is popular.

sop

(10,226 posts)
48. They pray to a muscular, militaristic Jesus, carrying an AR-15 and a Glock instead of a cross
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jun 2019

They bow before the Jesus that believes in violent retribution rather than meek forgiveness, one who practices an eye-for-an-eye, a tooth-for-a-tooth and would never turn the other cheek like a pussy. They fantasize about the Hollywood action-movie version of Christ, who would have gunned down the phalanx of Roman soldiers trying to crucify him with a .50 Caliber machine gun, just like Rambo.

Their Jesus is of superior, Northern European stock, not a little dark-skinned guy from some Middle Eastern shithole. Their Lord and Saviour is a rapacious hedge fund manager, carrying an exotic leather-skin briefcase and an iphone, not some poor loser who overturns the money-changers' tables in the temple. Their son of Yaweh would have cut a deal with Judas for his share of the 30 pieces of silver, and charged the rubes admission to the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus H. Christ, a guy's gotta make a living, right?

The only similarity between Jesus of the New Testament and their modern-day Christ is both guys are rocking really cool beards. And that crown of thorns and cross? Well, modern-day kick-ass Jesus has them tattooed on his massive biceps.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
35. No True Scotsman.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jun 2019

People who identify as Christian are Christian. It doesn't matter if they're assholes. Being a bad person doesn't make you a non-Christian.

wendyb-NC

(3,328 posts)
36. Thank You!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:12 AM
Jun 2019

You have hit the nail on the head, as you do so well. I love your posts they always ring so true.

Turin_C3PO

(14,022 posts)
39. Great post.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jun 2019

I don’t remember learning in catechism that it is just and right to hold children in cages. Guess I was absent that day. These faux Christians make me so angry! Hypocrites, all of them.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
46. Great OP
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jun 2019

"Don’t blaspheme by adoring the Golden Calf that has led you to turn against everything you allegedly once believed in."

relayerbob

(6,550 posts)
56. This needs to be made into a commercial
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jun 2019

And played on every TV station in the country. ESPECIALLY Fox News and all their subsidiaries

mtngirl47

(990 posts)
57. I recently had a discussion with a very Christian lady who is in church every Sunday and Wednesday,
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:00 PM
Jun 2019

and volunteers for every church event.

We were talking about the immigration problems...and she was spouting the right wing talking points...and so I said "What would Jesus do?" and she went off on me telling me not to "use the Christian card."

The Christian card????? Is that even a thing????

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
59. Thank you, Nance
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jun 2019

This piece hit me on so many important levels. I am so damned tired of White Evangelicals supposedly representing Christianity. They don't. Not even close. No way.

I have needed to read something like this that calls out White Evangelicals and their hate-filled hypocrisy. I'm tired of being told that to be a Christian is to be a fetus-loving, patriarchal homophobe. I'm tired of hearing that Jesus would not want government to help people. I'm tired of being told that we can only help "deserving" (not brown) people.

I have often suspected that neither White Evangelicals nor their well-to-do pastors have ever actually studied the bible they claim to follow.

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