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Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:14 PM

We must face facts: 40% of Americans resent living in a democracy

And would rather live in a community of genetically identical clones.

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Reply We must face facts: 40% of Americans resent living in a democracy (Original post)
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 OP
Iliyah Jul 2019 #1
GemDigger Jul 2019 #2
Lithos Jul 2019 #7
lunatica Jul 2019 #8
marylandblue Jul 2019 #3
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #6
marylandblue Jul 2019 #9
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #10
marylandblue Jul 2019 #16
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #15
marylandblue Jul 2019 #17
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #18
MaryMagdaline Jul 2019 #4
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #5
Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #11
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #13
Boomerproud Jul 2019 #12
Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #14

Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:16 PM

1. It's much less % . .

Many do not understand what is actually going on. They believe the propaganda that is constantly being spewed in RW world.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:21 PM

2. I'm not so sure. I know a few women who would rather be "told" what to do

instead of having to think and make decisions for themselves.

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:37 PM

7. I know a few men *AND* women...

Who fit in that boat.

Almost all of them are RW to an extreme degree.

L-

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:39 PM

8. "Toxic masculinity" is enabled by women too

Iíll go even further and say that itís actively taught by women too. Women suffer from it also, since it also defines their roles in the family structure.

Women usually make the husband/father the head of the household rather than a co-equal. The father is the disciplinarian while the mother carries out the discipline.

The societal position and roles of the nuclear family is an ongoing anthropological study. The role of the family and itís members in any society tends to fall into stereotypes. One very obvious example of the societal placement of breadwinners into obsolete roles is the discrepancy in pay between white men and women, and then broken down into white women and all other women. We have a national cognitive dissonance about this. Single mother families are significant enough to be recognized as a specific demographic family structure but any commensurate adjustment in the rate of pay is completely ignored. The reason for this is that our society only values a family structure when the head of the family is a man.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:28 PM

3. Liberal Democracy is historically a rare form of government.

For a lot of people, it means they have too many choices. They'd rather have more limits on themselves and everyone else.

We have been assuming that liberal democracy is an universal good, but it isn't. Putin just told us that, but we don't believe him. He's right though. For liberal democracy to work, we need a higher value than liberal democracy itself, and we don't really have that. Therefore we are in great danger.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:35 PM

6. 40% of Americans agree with you, though they can barely grunt and snort their opinions. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:41 PM

9. I think it might actually be higher and they aren't all stupid.

And they are all Republicans either.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:43 PM

10. True that; they aren't all Republicans

To be clear, I agree with you.

We are in danger of losing all that this democratic experiment has given us.

But to give Putin credit, as an expert on democracy, makes my skin crawl.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:53 PM

16. Makes my skin crawl too. But as they say, keep your friends close, and

your enemies closer.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:52 PM

15. You do know that "too many choices" is a uniquely soviet criticism of democracy?

Just so that you can modify your message.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:02 PM

17. "Too many choices" is a psychologically validated concept.

See "The Paradox of Choice" by Barry Schwartz.

The Soviet problem was that there were no choices at all.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:10 PM

18. Nice recovery! nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:29 PM

4. 100% true

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:32 PM

5. Malkovich?


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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:46 PM

11. conservatisms roots are in monarchy...

and modern conservatives wish us to return. Freedom for the betters so that they can use their lessers.

un-democratize education
stomp out unions entirely
smaller gov't which really means totalitarian style centralized gov't

to provide a work force closer to peasants than a well educated workforce that understand the value of their labor.

authoritarian bent and love of cult of personality
social darwinism and hyperindividualism
racism, xenophobia, homophobia

all to give them an enemy and the need for a hero
communities and legislative bodies do not fix societal issues
hero kings and their betters do.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:47 PM

13. Makes me wish I could recommend a reply. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:47 PM

12. Laziness.

Participartory democracies take work. More than half don't care.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:48 PM

14. Well... yes. nt

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