Epstein Defense Pre-Trial Release Proposal

[jberryhill]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6188842-Epstein-bail.html

As I had predicted in an earlier thread, the defense is proposing at home detention with electronic monitoring, no entry to others, a minder, and a roster of other conditions.

[leftieNanner]

1. Heck No!

Keep the creep in jail!

[riversedge]

2. Nope, Lock him up.

[jberryhill]

6. Ah, the rarely-invoked "Nope, Lock him up" clause of the Eighth Amendment

I'll bet they don't see that one coming.

[montanacowboy]

3. Can he leave for

12 hrs a day to go to his "office"?

[jberryhill]

4. No

There is no permission for him to leave, no one else can enter without prior approval of the court, and there is someone getting paid to live there whose job it is to report any violations.

It's kind of a long list. It's in English. So, it's worth reading for yourself.

[Vinca]

12. Is the person being paid to live there a 14 year old girl?

This guy might be going to prison for the rest of his life and he'll be headed to the airport as soon as he's released.

[jberryhill]

13. I doubt the court appointed monitor would be a 14 year old girl

But it might be difficult to trot off to the airport when you have an ankle monitor, your own planes have been grounded, you are on a no-fly list, and you have made a waiver to any objection to extradition from any foreign country.

[Me.]

5. His 14 Years Of Law Abiding Behavior?

[jberryhill]

7. He's been law abiding long enough to molest himself

[treestar]

8. They might want to provide for

any medical emergency; like how would he go to the hospital is necessary.

[jberryhill]

9. Come to think of it...

Condition 1 includes "medical appointments" as approved by Pretrial Services.

I'd want to tighten that up, so he doesn't head out for his daily therapeutic massage appointment.

[treestar]

11. True!

Clever exploitation of any part of it is likely!

[C_U_L8R]

10. A menace to society

He’s the very picture of one. And his sleazy pal Trump too.

[Bluesaph]

14. Is that what any other criminal would get?

No special treatment. People get locked up for less.

[jberryhill]

16. That depends

Does this hypothetical other criminal own a home in which they can be kept in isolation from people other than an approved list of visitors?

Can this hypothetical other criminal put up millions of dollars worth of property as a surety?

[Crunchy Frog]

21. It's a privilege reserved to the extremely wealthy.

[Frustratedlady]

15. Good grief! I fought my way through half of that document and came out with the impression

that the only thing the attorney forgot was "Choir Boy" in regards to how wonderfully pure and innocent Epstein has been over the past 14 years...certainly no threat to flee.

Right!

He sold one of his jets in June? His brother and friends (I assume) will sign over their homes, along with Epstein doing the same with his $77M mansion in New York in the event he takes a trip?

Let's save all that paperwork and deny house arrest. I'm sure he wouldn't want all that hardware on his ankles, anyway. Such a bother and all.

What a pile of B.S.

[ProudLib72]

17. Didn't Manafort go off on a visit to the Ukraine when he was "grounded?"

Hasn't Stone violated his court mandate three times without repercussion?

There are reasons I do not trust this at home detention.

[jberryhill]

18. I believe it was Carter Page that wanted to take a trip to Boston

Stone's issues are about public communications, and not with whatever his geographical restrictions might be.

None of them failed to appear for court proceedings.

Pre-trial detention is not punitive, and the general provisions of the Eighth Amendment put the burden on the government to show that the danger to the community or flight risk provide no alternative.

[ProudLib72]

19. Ok, I went back and checked. Manafort was still working with Ukraine after indictment

but no trips over there, so I must have conflated him and Page.

Still doesn't mean I have to like Epstein's mansion detention.

[jberryhill]

20. Well it remains to be seen what happens next