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By Connor Mannion Jul 11th, 2019, 4:19 pm
A House Democrat blasted Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her progressive allies for their ongoing feud with House Speak Nancy Pelosi, saying their ignorance is beyond belief.
Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO) fumed at AOC and other House progressives for their dispute with the House speaker, and accused them of playing the race card.
What a weak argument, because you cant get your way and because youre getting pushback you resort to using the race card? Unbelievable. Thats unbelievable to me, Clay said according to The Hill. I could care less. I could really care less. I agree with the Speaker. Four people, four votes out of 240 people, who cares.
https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/house-dem-shreds-aoc-and-colleagues-for-playing-the-race-card-their-ignorance-is-beyond-belief/
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)sheshe2
(83,993 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)I don't understand your post.
Scratching my head here. No clue.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)legislation.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)Theyre missing the fact that we have a very thin margin of a majority that were operating under and apparently it doesnt matter to Justice Democrats, they just want to get skins. They want to score points for whatever reason. But I find it juvenile, their tactics, I find their ignorance to be beyond belief about American history and about who are really segregationists. And so how dare they try to play the race card at this point, it shows you the weakness of their arguments.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)as a Missourian i know clay only has his position bc of his dad and should be primaried not for reasons JD may agree with.
lapucelle
(18,377 posts)According to his actual record, he isn't.
William Lacy Clay is a Hard-Core Liberal
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/William_Lacy_Clay.htm
https://bit.ly/2JwqyXx
lapucelle
(18,377 posts)sheshe2
(83,993 posts)WASHINGTON As reports of migrant children being held in squalid conditions at federal facilities near the border continue to draw outrage, Democrats successfully pushed a $4.5 billion humanitarian aid package through the U.S. House late Tuesday evening with a vote of 230 to 195.
The passage of the bill marks a narrow victory for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who managed to coalesce a unified front after several days of uncertainty and division within the party. Ultimately, only four Democrats broke rank, and none of them were Texans.
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/06/25/us-house-set-vote-border-aid-bill-concerns-migrant-children-grows/
10. it isn't just their 4 votes. They've voted along the lines of plenty of other reps.
Yes. Republicans. They are the only four that broke rank.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)giving a big f.u. to the house.
19. bad example. they were right seeing how 4 more (unappropreated ) facilities were built.
So those four facilities opened instantaneously after the vote? I don't think so. Those facilities take long term planning and staffing. Unbelievable that you think they were built, staffed and filled in a nanosecond.
So correct me if I am wrong. You, your own words, are giving a big f.u. to our Democratic congress when they tried to give some humane relief to children in cages. Damn them for trying to help the children. I guess we should just vote them all out and go back to being in the minority again. Jaysus!
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Majority of Americans lean dem, repubs make the rules and that largely the fault of centrist leadership. and repubs of course
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sheshe2
(83,993 posts)So they are one in the same? Seriously? You are saying some Democrats are just like repubs.
28. also we are in the minority (majority) and there in lies the major hurdle. Understand that as a
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Majority of Americans lean dem, repubs make the rules and that largely the fault of centrist leadership. and repubs of course
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)I'm vocal. I'm against centrism. get used to it.
sheshe2
(83,993 posts)We can agree to disagree. Fact is I don't have to get use to anything. I have a brain and I use it often.
Centrists help hold the line to give us a blue representative. I am well aware of the call to primary them all, a lot of good that will do us when we lose that seat to a repuke. Purity is not what it is cracked up to be.
43. they are not the same in ideology. they aren't that different in practice. I'm a leftist.
I'm vocal. I'm against centrism. get used to it.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)questionseverything
(9,665 posts)geesh I find it amazing that peops here can find fault for wanting some guarantee the money would be used to take care of the kids , which we didn't get but we did get 3 new for profit prisons
why in the world would anyone trust this administration to do the right thing with the money?
sheshe2
(83,993 posts)33. the money to pay the for profit prisons was that vote
You are wrong and you are here telling us on Democratic Underground that every Democratic member of the House voted for for profit prisons and not the children in cages.
You prefer we do nothing? You most certainly do not want more children to die. So what is your suggestion to make this right? You tell ME what we are doing wrong and can make this right.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212267589#post15
questionseverything
(9,665 posts)without oversight we do not know that one cent of that money will go towards improving conditions
and I do not trust the repubs to improve conditions out of the goodness of their hearts
sheshe2
(83,993 posts)sheshe2 (56,656 posts)
60. There are no guarantees in life, now are there.
questionseverything
33. the money to pay the for profit prisons was that vote
You are wrong and you are here telling us on Democratic Underground that every Democratic member of the House voted for for profit prisons and not the children in cages.
You prefer we do nothing? You most certainly do not want more children to die. So what is your suggestion to make this right? You tell ME what we are doing wrong and can make this right.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212267589#post15
Fact is you said EVERY DEMOCRAT that voted for that bill was VOTING FOR PROFIT PRISONS and not the children.
How can you say that on a Democratic board?
George II
(67,782 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)lapucelle
(18,377 posts)Every other "no" vote was cast by a Republican.
Every other Democrat who voted, voted "yes". (Four Democrats did not vote.)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2019/h414
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)lapucelle
(18,377 posts)Every other "no" vote was cast by a Republican, all 191 of them.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2019/h414
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)dem4decades
(11,315 posts)Nancy must keep the House, AOC should recognize that.
elleng
(131,284 posts)bdamomma
(63,944 posts)We should be a united front. See how the repigs stick together they don't say crap no matter how bad it is, and they are guilty as hell too.
elleng
(131,284 posts)hlthe2b
(102,485 posts)AOC needs to get rid of her COS. She can be provocative, blunt, and assertive but her COS can not become a flame thrower.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)what is COS? thanks
hlthe2b
(102,485 posts)Dems...
barbtries
(28,817 posts)thanks
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)barbtries
(28,817 posts)lapucelle
(18,377 posts)You know, the PAC that gave more money to Republicans than to Democrats in the 2018 cycle.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2018&strID=C00613810
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ugh! They have a lot of people fooled... or maybe not, who knows?
lapucelle
(18,377 posts)dalton99a
(81,663 posts)Celerity
(43,666 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
etc etc etc
Every single Democratic Senator, either in public or private told him to resign except for these 5
Joe Manchin (ONLY one who said he should NOT)
Bob Menendez (was under Federal corruption indictment at the time, refused to comment)
and the 3 members of the Ethic Committee (who by law, could not comment)
Chris Coons, Delaware, Vice Chairman
Brian Schatz, Hawaii
Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire
I am sure 4 of those, all but Manchin, if they had no legal reason to not comment, would have told him to resign as well.
Women senators coordinated calls for Al Franken to resign
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html
betsuni
(25,746 posts)"They're missing the fact that we have a very thin margin of a majority... ." Why why why why is it so difficult for some people to understand this?
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sheshe2
(83,993 posts)Tear it down.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,698 posts)ripcord
(5,553 posts)Ever since she was elected she has been calling out and criticising other democrats and even trying to unseat some who don't meet her purity standards but she has a fit when someone calls her out and criticises her, she seems to think that is a one way street.
Thekaspervote
(32,815 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...against several incumbent Democrats in their primary. Thankfully just about all of them won and Justice Democrats' candidates lost.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)And to be clear, AOC was nothing but gracious and complimentary after she won her seat. Nancy was the one that began the disrespect and insults.
Duppers
(28,130 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:51 PM - Edit history (1)
For the sake of the Party and the country, they both should stfu!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I disagree with many in my party.
My party leader, who has been an effective legislator for longer than I have been alive. Who was the first female leader. Who kept her caucus unified against all odds in minority. Who never lost a vote as majority leader. She tells me Im not helping. Tone it down.
I fucking tone it down. For 2 reasons:
1. She probably has more knowledge about governing in her left pinky than my few months of experience gives me.
2. If I dont tone it down the Hammer of Thor is soon going to hit me.
Im afraid we are at option number 2.
We need one voice in the House. The elected speaker. If we have a caucus than can vote her out, then I would support that caucus. But we dont.
One final thought I have not read here, but dont read all threads. And this is how things work...
If and when the a progressive or any member is seen as a drag on the party, do you doubt Pelosi would hesitate to publicly cut ties with them? I hope we are not there. But can see it happening.
Our victory in the house was really a victory of moderate democrats winning in previously republican districts running on healthcare. It actually made our caucus more moderate. Pelosi is not going to risk that.
Vdizzle
(383 posts)Could care less. The saying is correctly stated as: couldnt care less. Call me a grammar nazi, but it bugs me.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)to be so angry about it.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,112 posts)When they mean the exact opposite
That's a pet peeve of mine.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Lying, cheating and stealing. Well, even then, hate doesnt come into play.
But to each their own.
Hope I typed that grammatically correctly.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,112 posts)well, now I know. Thank you so much for illuminating me.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)see how it plays out in the long run.
I am with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.
The way to keep losing to republicant's is to keep moving closer to their positions.
Give the people an actual choice and they will make the right one - they will vote left.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And if pigs had wings they could fly!
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)that they vote for republicans because Dems aren't LEFT enough, because that's the logical and natural reaction of course.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)There are probably not 30 districts where AOC could win.
Certainly not the moderate seats we switched last election to give us the majority.
Its like people dont understand. The house, now in majority, is way more moderate than when in the minority.
McKim
(2,412 posts)This will get us nowhere. It must stop now!
aeromanKC
(3,330 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Some no name representative trying to make his name off someone popular. This will backfire.
Celerity
(43,666 posts)He and his father have had that seat (MO-1) for literally 50 years.
riversedge
(70,405 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)will outlive Speaker Pelosi and be our future.
And many other women like them.
I say that as someone whose respect for Peliso has grown over the last 2 years.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Celerity
(43,666 posts)I go into detail on all 4 of the Squad's primary challenger chances here
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271054#post14
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Celerity
(43,666 posts)via fundraising, the demographics of her district aid her to a large degree, and she will have a huge ground game again.
I doubt Joe Crowley tries to regain his seat, although some other members of his circle may try.
I do not see it happening based off an impartial reconnoitre of the situation.
I do see a possible attempt to redistrict her out post 2020, IF Schumer presses for it.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)The future is female...of brown complexion.