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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaureen Dowd defends Nancy Pelosi
I don't usual read Maureen Dowd but she makes a lot of good points here. And posted most of the article due to the Times pay wall.
By Maureen Dowd
Opinion Columnist
WASHINGTON I was feeling on edge. Writing a column that sparks an internecine fight among the highest-profile women in the Democratic Party is nerve wracking.
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Pelosi told me, after the A.O.C. Squad voted against the Houses version of the border bill and trashed the moderates the very people who provided the Democrats the majority that the Squad was four people with four votes. She was talking about a legislative reality. If it was a knock, it was for abandoning the party.
That did not merit A.O.C.s outrageous accusation that Pelosi was targeting newly elected women of color. She slimed the speaker, who has spent her life fighting for the downtrodden and who was instrumental in getting the first African-American president elected and passing his agenda against all odds, as a sexist and a racist.
A.O.C. should consider the possibility that people who disagree with her do not disagree with her color.
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But Congress is not a place where you achieve radical progress certainly not in divided government. Its a place where you work at it and work at it and dont get everything you want.
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We fought for years to create the majorities to get a Democratic president elected and re-elected, and theyre going to dither it away. They have not decided whats more important: Do they want to beat Trump or do they want to clear the moderate and centrists out of the party? You really think weakening the speaker is the right strategy to try to get rid of Donald Trump and everything he stands for?
In the age of Trump, there is no more stupid proposition than that Nancy Pelosi is the problem. If A.O.C. and her Pygmalions and acolytes decide that burning down the House is more important than deposing Trump, they will be left with a racist backward president and the emotional satisfaction of their own purity.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/13/opinion/sunday/scaling-wokeback-mountain.html
wryter2000
(46,040 posts)There are copyright issues with posting an entire article. Don't be surprised if this is locked.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)I removed part of the article just in case
Me.
(35,454 posts)otherwise, huge thanks
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)"In the age of Trump, there is no more stupid proposition than that Nancy Pelosi is the problem."
mcar
(42,309 posts)Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)
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still_one
(92,189 posts)last, seeing her Chief of Staff seems to want to declare war against the Democratic leadership, and any Congressional Democrats who do not agree with them by inferring they are racist
I dont care for Dowd, but she is right on this, they are playing right into the republicans hands for 2020
Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)dalton99a
(81,485 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,371 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)Girard442
(6,070 posts)Solidarity is good, but solidarity in support of weak tea seems pointless.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Examples please
Girard442
(6,070 posts)Impeachment may not turn out to be the best path, but it was a giant mistake for top Dem leadership to pour cold water on the idea.
Me, I would have said that Pelosi should have stayed noncomittal while the firebrands like, well, AOC, should have carried the torch. Going negative on impeachment right out of the gate? Kind of says "business as usual."
Me.
(35,454 posts)she's the one in charge as per the obligation of her office. As for AOC carrying the torch, this may come as a surprise, but while she has a huge fan base I seriously doubt most of the other members of the Dem caucus would look upon her their leader and will follow her charge.
As for the cold water, there seems to be a difficulty understanding that so far, not even half of the DEm caucus is behind it right now. Speaker Pelosi has said, until she must be blue in the face, that when a majority of the country supports it, the process will go forward. You need that support in a time when you can't even get people to show up for subpoenas...so why would we think the witnesses (most of them Trump loyalists) will show up for an impeachment hearing. Things are moving at a snail's pace because that's how government and the process works.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)When democrats started Nixon impeachment hearings, they had hard evidence that he most likely was involved in a crime. All Speaker Pelosi has is a lukewarm Mueller report.
Once democrats were had one documented crime against Nixon, they opened impeachment hearings and uncovered more crimes until even republicans had to give in.
If Speaker Pelosi opens an impeachment inquiry against Trump because AOC and a handful of others want that, all she will likely do is help Trump politically, I seriously don't think that she remotely wants to do that.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)They just werent hung ho, but were not negative either. This is the same tired purity argument yet again.
Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,371 posts)More votes than the squad, you know. Its all about keeping the gavel and thats her calculation. So we do things like slow-walk Trump investigations and pass a border security bill that pisses off most of the base. And mock those silly progs who just dont get it to Maureen Dowd.
Im sympathetic to her short-term personal reasoning but as a party this is demoralizing far more people than it energizes.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Keeping control of the House is demoralizing? Would losing the House be more energizing?
BeyondGeography
(39,371 posts)Im happy for you.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)of all parts of the government where all sorts of crazy shit could get passed.
It sure ain't perfect by a long stretch, but it's way better than Speaker Ryan.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Which is the only was he will be removed from office.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)the ones who wanted her out. Same ones who vote with republican'ts when they feel like it. While these 4 "whatevers" had her back.
Horizens
(637 posts)How Pelosi Operates
Members who, without good reason, vote against major legislation, criticize her or other caucus members too publically and with too much zeal are disciplined in one or more of the following ways.
1.) Severely admonished behind closed doors
2.) Given the cold shoulder meaning your pet project and request for campaign funds wont reach her ear.
In the instance you cited Pelosi went a step further and denied Rice and Brindisi committee assignments. No doubt, she did it 1.) because all Speakers want committee members and chairman who are committed to the legislative agenda. and 2.) to send a message to all members of the caucus.
Good for her.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)she talks all that shit about the left. In fact she even supported disloyal, anti choice obsolete ass Lipinski in IL. How does he repay her? By playing all "hard to get" when it came time to repay the support. She fears her right flank. Doesn't seem to give a shit about her left one.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Newt Gingrich in 2012.
melman
(7,681 posts)as are Ana Navarro, Bill Kristol etc etc. Please.
also, Trump hates him
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President Trump on Saturday called for a Washington Post reporter to be fired over a misleading tweet about the size of the crowd at a rally for the president on Friday in Pensacola, Fla.
The reporter, Dave Weigel, posted a picture of an arena with many empty seats. He deleted the tweet after learning that the venue had not yet filled up.
On Saturday night, the president posted a screenshot of Mr. Weigels tweet and other photos that showed a crowded arena. Demand apology & retraction from FAKE NEWS WaPo! he wrote.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/10/us/politics/trump-dave-weigel.html
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)political beliefs of some columnists often posted here. In fact, I know I have posted Jennifer Rubin's, doubt I have the other two. I'll continue to post her column until she returns to the cuckoo's nest. Her criticism and attacks on the GOP, Trump, the Admin, McConnell, et al are perfect for using in discussions/arguments with disillusioned Trumpanzees and Republicans of conscience.
I don't care what Trump said about Dave, and I know he doesn't either. Yes, I know him and have known him for seven years at least.
Now, what the heck did I say causing you to charge off to do a research project? All I said was "keep in mind, he's a Republican and voted for Newt Gingrich in 2012". Nothing more, nothing less. It was not an attack upon Dave, or on you for posting his opinion. The comment was me passing along information, and reminding those already aware, of his roots.
Why you needed to shift into sarcasm and eye rolling mode is beyond me. But, hey, have a good time.
melman
(7,681 posts)I absolutely did not do this.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:47 PM - Edit history (2)
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)never called her a racist, so...
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)"...they will be left with a racist backward president and the emotional satisfaction of their own purity."
Again.
watoos
(7,142 posts)is to take down AOC and her 3 friends.
How nice we are spreading their objective here, carry on, I'm not participating.
AOC is a young Nancy Pelosi. AOC is one of the few Democrats who Republicans fear because she can change the right wing narratives. I don't plan on helping Republicans in bringing down AOC, anyone else with me?
Anyone see Steny Hoyer?
Oh and Maureen Dowd, please, I'm still laughing at citing her for anything, especially politics.
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)They can use her to fundraise the way use to with Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.
What their real objective is to divide the Democratic Party because thats how the win in 20.