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I believe this is the exact moment that trump made a deal with Satan ... the moment he raped a 13 year old girl, a virgin, who was tied to a bed at epstein's mansion. ...
Many are hoping the Epstein trial will also implicate some of his powerful friends, including Trump. The world’s most privileged pedophile was known to hang out with the likes of Bill Clinton, Woody Allen, Prince Andrew, celebrity lawyer Alan Dershowitz, and, yes, the president, sometimes giving them rides on his infamous private child-sex-abuse plane, nicknamed the “Lolita Express.” Trump, who now claims he's "not a fan," in 2002 called Epstein a “terrific guy” who "likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The SDNY is about to close the investigation of some members of Trump's campaign without charges. The top attorney there is a republican appointee. That appointee would be sacrificing his career if he aimed a rape charge at Trump and missed. Someone also pointed out that if all or most of the powerful men that we know about and lots that we don't were involved with young girls that Epstein provided, there would be an enormous impetus to bury information, Attornies could guarantee themselves long prosperous careers by doing that, but if they stand for the truth and see the case through, they may get to sell a book and get ridiculed like Coney was, by both the left and the right.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)You are an attorney so you likely know ways around the issue that I raised.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What you need is a live client who says they were molested.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)If names of pedophiles are protected by the Criminal Court, how to you get at those people in Civil Court?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Can this client recognize pictures?
I don’t understand the factual circumstances you are proposing here.
What is this client doing in my office? What is their story?
If they don’t know where, when or by whom they were molested, then having access to some random court records somewhere isn’t going to do anything for me.
What is it that I need to prove with some court records? I mean, Epstein was prosecuted once before. We certainly know who he is.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)that has a good case in your view as an attorney, then you go from there.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It’s not as if I can go out, grab people at random, and see if anything happened to them that they don’t recall.
The ad that I posted above is by a law firm that has a brisk business in emptying the pockets of Catholic dioceses and putting a share of that into their clients’ pockets.
They want to hear from women who allege to have been abused by Epstein when they were minors.
So, they’re going to hear from women who allege they were abused by Epstein as minors.
I was responding to the suggestion upthread that lawyers are somehow motivated to cover up molestation by wealthy and powerful people. That’s just not true. Few institutions have been as wealthy and influential as the Catholic Church, but there’s s whole lot more money in suing wealthy people and institutions than poor ones.
I mean, if you have a client that was molested by someone who didn’t have any money, then there’s no point in going after them. Wealthy defendants are the only ones worth suing, since its not as if you are going to get a million bucks out of someone who doesn’t have it.
True story - I had a client one time who was sued in a kind of amusing case of mistaken identity. Like Lebowski, he didn’t have a dime to his name, and was a recent high school grad who lived with his parents. The plaintiffs lawyer confused him with a very wealthy person by the same name. He got ahold of me, told me what was going on, and said “They’re suing me for a hundred thousand dollars!”
I said, “Well, I have some good news for you. You aren’t going to lose a hundred thousand dollars.”
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He seems to have been either a con artist or a blackmailer. Once his money spigot is cut off, what is left, his properties? My guess is all his properties will face a steep discount in valuation once his ass is in prison. I am not privy, but what I am reading makes me feel that he does not have hundreds of millions of cash or convertible securities. So people suing him may come up empty, but if they were molested by true billionaires or true millionaires with hundreds of millions in the bank, they they could get somewhere, the problem is the Criminal Court could seal the names of those people, leaving clients and their Attornies to depose people, I guess.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)“the problem is the Criminal Court could seal the names of those people”
I don’t see how that becomes relevant to any realistic scenario.
Start me off with, “Someone walks into my office and tells me....”
They tell me “I was molested by someone and I don’t know who it was, but I was recruited by Jeffrey Epstein.”
I then show her photographs of a bunch of wealthy people who are associates of Epstein. She comes up with nothing.
What are names in sealed records going to do? I’m going to run through a list of names, until she says “oh, yes, that one!”
There’s only so many billionaires to go around. I could say, “Here’s s list of the Forbes 1000, let me know if any of them ring a bell.” But I don’t understand what are these sealed records and why they would be of any help in trying to identify whomever molested this person.
Or are you saying that, in general, there are a large number of women running around who were molested as teenagers, and have no idea where, when, or with whom this happened?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But if a girl has never met a rich man, how does she tell you who he is? You may show her pictures of many rich men and one may stand out to her, but if that guy is listed in a criminal investigation that would save time, IMO, since the list of people you would have to show the woman would be small.
Epstein himself mentioned being involved with Tweens and Teen. I was unfamiliar with the term Tween (I have no kids), so I looked it up. The term covers children between the age of 9 and 12 years old. Do you think that someone that young is going to recollect her abuser if she never met him before the abuse? It is not like kids that young read the Wall Street Journal and watch business channels.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If she never met him, then how is it that he molested her?
If I have to find the defendant by providing a short list of names and saying "pick one", and the victim has no idea where or when this occurred, then how on earth would I go about proving to a jury that he molested her?
That kind of "forced lineup" can't be used in a criminal case. You might recall, for example, during the Duke Lacrosse thing, that the prosecutor provided a photo lineup consisting exclusively of team members.
This molestation had to happen somewhere. I'm not seeing anything in the Epstein stuff that suggests that victims were snatched off of the street, blindfolded on the way to the location, and then blindfolded on the way back to drop them off somewhere. They were recruited into this by someone they knew or met, and those sorts of circumstances would be extremely helpful in this hypothetical.
If you simply have someone saying "I was molested at age 12 by someone I don't know, at a place I don't know, and a time range that I don't know" then you aren't going to get anywhere with it.
Eventually, you have to have a decent shot at proving that this victim was molested by someone.
>Epstein himself mentioned being involved with Tweens and Teen.
The youngest victim of Epstein in the current federal indictment is said, in the indictment, to be 14.
