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Sh*thole Country (Original Post) SHRED Jul 2019 OP
Perfect. dalton99a Jul 2019 #1
It's too bad DENVERPOPS Jul 2019 #10
This: panader0 Jul 2019 #28
Good one DENVERPOPS Jul 2019 #29
Love it ... great CatMor Jul 2019 #2
Too bad they didn't listen to the Native American. democratisphere Jul 2019 #3
This. Different Drummer Jul 2019 #18
For some relief, you should watch Hogan's Heroes. CaptYossarian Jul 2019 #27
Right now I am more concerned with our shithole presidency. Sneederbunk Jul 2019 #4
Funny (not ha-ha funny) that so many of these countries are the way they are because of us. CCExile Jul 2019 #5
You are correct. And Americans are not conscious of this, even the "educated" DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #7
You are right. murielm99 Jul 2019 #12
England at that time was a rather literal shithole. paulkienitz Jul 2019 #6
That's not why they came. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #11
yes, religion was more important than anything. Too bad we demigoddess Jul 2019 #14
Also, "Britain had been shipping convicts to America for decades before Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #15
Wasn't a good portion of the colony of Georgia a penal colony? geardaddy Jul 2019 #22
I guess so. But what I understood was Georgia was intended as a penal colony Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #24
My ancestor was kicked out of England Blue_playwright Jul 2019 #33
Wow! Proves the jail alternative must have been a living hell. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #35
only a smallish portion of the people who settled the colonies went for religious reasons. paulkienitz Jul 2019 #23
the Puritans in the meme did. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #25
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #17
Yes, definitely one of the reasons. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #19
Probably the impression of the Native Americans who saw the first pilgrims DFW Jul 2019 #8
Beat me to it! Aussie105 Jul 2019 #31
Now that's a Thanksgiving day to celebrate. tclambert Jul 2019 #9
Rec X ♾ denbot Jul 2019 #13
Right on! nt iluvtennis Jul 2019 #16
Brilliant!! Pepsidog Jul 2019 #20
A disaster to the globe zentrum Jul 2019 #21
But instead the Great Black Elk said after visiting New York in 1886 Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #26
Excellent!!! US4u2 Jul 2019 #32
Welcome to DU, US4u2! Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Aussie105 Jul 2019 #30
From my posting several days back packman Jul 2019 #34
had to kick this Maru Kitteh Jul 2019 #37
K & R malaise Jul 2019 #38

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
10. It's too bad
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jul 2019

It's too f'ing bad the native americans didn't have their own Dept of Homeland Security, border patrol, and ICE group.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. Too bad they didn't listen to the Native American.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jul 2019

The drumpfs would be trying to take over Germany instead of America.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
27. For some relief, you should watch Hogan's Heroes.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jul 2019

Back then, we fought the Nazis. We didn't elect them to the presidency.

murielm99

(30,740 posts)
12. You are right.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jul 2019

Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

And look at the way we aided right wing coups in South America.

They are lawless in many places because of us.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
6. England at that time was a rather literal shithole.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jul 2019

One of the excellent reasons to emigrate to the colonies was the fact that cities like London were overrun with diseases, many of which were spread by poor sanitation and lack of sewers.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. That's not why they came.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jul 2019

they came because their religious fanaticism was unappreciated by the Church of England.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
14. yes, religion was more important than anything. Too bad we
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jul 2019

haven't progressed much more on that issue. Some voters still vote their religion.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
15. Also, "Britain had been shipping convicts to America for decades before
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jul 2019
they started sending them to Australia. In fact, it was precisely because of America’s fight for independence that the Brits had to start sending their criminals to Australia. But from 1718 until 1775, convict transportation to the American colonies flourished. Some estimates claim that almost 10 percent of migrants to America during this time were British convicts.

In fact, experts estimate that over 52,000 British prisoners were shipped off to colonial America.

Many Australians have more or less embraced their convict history. But if you’re an American who had no idea that your country’s founding included a huge prison population, you’re not alone. Historically, Americans have not been too keen on discussing the fact that convicts came to what would eventually become known as the United States.


https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/britain-sent-thousands-of-its-convicts-to-america-not-1707458418



Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
24. I guess so. But what I understood was Georgia was intended as a penal colony
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:12 PM - Edit history (1)

because of the overwhelming number of poor people in England. I'd been corrected by Georgians before that the idea was over ruled early on and the first colonists were regular poor working class people. But then eventually debtors and convicts were sent to Georgia.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
33. My ancestor was kicked out of England
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:41 AM
Jul 2019

Apparently, he beat the crap out of nobleman and was given the option of jail or America.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
35. Wow! Proves the jail alternative must have been a living hell.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Reminds me of a graphic novel I came across a few years ago whose author is African-American and Swedish-American. His Swedish descent mom knew nothing of her family history. The author, Eric Basir, found out about a game show inviting American Swedes to come and play and they'd research their genealogy and take them to their ancestors' estates, homes or hovels.

Just saying that a lot of this particular group's ancestry is tragic. One emigrated for ruining his family's name by stealing a bag of nails, tenet farmers sending 5 year olds away by themselves hoping for adoption in the Swedish-American community, another left his starving family so as not to be burden them.

So many left because of unimaginable brutally devastating conditions. My late MIL's ancestry were Spanish conversos who left because of the Inquisition.

I couldn't help laughing though reading your ancestor beat the crap out of a nobleman

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Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
19. Yes, definitely one of the reasons.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jul 2019

Besides religion this article covers: "Social, political, and economic inequality due to feudalism; Fragile food supply and famine; Poor health and the spread of infectious diseases; Uncertain economy; Overpopulation; Dangerous standards of living in urban and rural areas; Child victimization; Intolerance; Warfare; An idealistic image of the New World.

Our story begins in 15th and early 16th century Europe - with an undertanding of the English who eventually decide to immigrate to the New World."


http://gorhistory.com/hist110/expl.html

DFW

(54,378 posts)
8. Probably the impression of the Native Americans who saw the first pilgrims
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 02:01 PM
Jul 2019

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Aussie105

(5,395 posts)
31. Beat me to it!
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:42 PM
Jul 2019

But honestly, mass migrations have been part of human history for a long time - escaping religious persecution, wars, economic factors, etc.

It's how humanity spread across the globe.

But pilgrim fathers = good, brown people from the South = bad?

The whole paperwork thing is just a recent thing, and an excuse to lock people out.

Is it 'No Room for you!' or 'You are not White, go away!' ??

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
36. Welcome to DU, US4u2!
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jul 2019

Unfortunately, not much just under different guises and now with invigorated state-sanctions policies.

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