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Philosoraptor

(15,019 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:32 AM Aug 2012

Being a poor American is bad enough without having to feel ashamed.

And the republicans have spent years making poor Americans look like lazy slackers who can't keep up with the romneys. They keep harping about people on welfare as if they were sub-human cause they can't be wealthy republicans.

And when they suggest slashing Medicare by a trillion bucks they target the poor as 'less than', and then they say that the poor are dragging America down.

POOR PEOPLE ARE HUMAN BEINGS TOO YOU ASSHOLES, stop talking about them like they're animals, and maybe even HELP THEM!

I can't believe the incredible amount of hatred it takes to be a republican.

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Being a poor American is bad enough without having to feel ashamed. (Original Post) Philosoraptor Aug 2012 OP
The goal is to kill off as many poor as they can. Cobalt Violet Aug 2012 #1
What a sick, disgusting goal Philosoraptor Aug 2012 #2
It's surprising how much people put up with. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #5
They've had great success in turning the middle class against the poor. Cobalt Violet Aug 2012 #6
If that is their goal, they are starting out the same as other genocides... Thav Aug 2012 #20
The similarities are there. Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #22
It's about time people realized this. Zalatix Aug 2012 #33
I live it, so I know it 1st hand. Cobalt Violet Aug 2012 #34
+1 HiPointDem Aug 2012 #36
They need lots of poor people to push down wages so they can grab more of Blue Meany Aug 2012 #3
They're motto: 'never kick a man UNLESS he's down' Philosoraptor Aug 2012 #4
It's How They Get People To Vote Against Their Own Self Interests... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #7
Class warfare, they haven't even begun to see class warfare. Philosoraptor Aug 2012 #8
It's not class warfare, it's class defense. Attacks on the poor by Republicans are the warfare. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #9
It's Amazing goodword Aug 2012 #15
We Got A Good Demonstration Last Night... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #24
republican voters are deeply dumb, but they're also racist assholes. Philosoraptor Aug 2012 #26
And Those Messages Are Registering... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #27
yes, people don't want to be identified with the 'degraded' section of the populace, so they HiPointDem Aug 2012 #37
It's Not Just The Poor.... goodword Aug 2012 #10
Feel the same way deutsey Aug 2012 #16
The problem is the way "middle class" has been defined SoCalDem Aug 2012 #35
These posts are always a necessary reminder SoCalDem. Thanks for this. K&R nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #39
Illusory Superiority goodword Sep 2012 #40
You know, you are so right. And that is what separates Dems from Republicans...a heart. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #11
And intelligence. part man all 86 Aug 2012 #13
Same as it ever was deutsey Aug 2012 #12
Is This What They Teach goodword Aug 2012 #19
Being poor? Don't worry about it. It doesn't happen. randome Aug 2012 #14
Not only the Republicans but the Libertarians as well davidpdx Aug 2012 #17
Being poor has it's ups but I cannot think for the life of me what that would be, maybe waking up. part man all 86 Aug 2012 #18
I grew up poor...I can't think of many either deutsey Aug 2012 #21
I can't believe the incredible amount of hatred it takes to be a republican? SmittynMo Aug 2012 #23
Recommended. mmonk Aug 2012 #25
......... Philosoraptor Aug 2012 #28
Don't worry, basically everyone gets in on the act Hydra Aug 2012 #29
The depth of the hate is so scary too. Cobalt Violet Aug 2012 #30
It's perfectly logical Hydra Aug 2012 #31
It's Still Insulting goodword Sep 2012 #41
Thanks for the support! Hydra Sep 2012 #42
Actually, being poor anywhere is bad. MichaelSoE Aug 2012 #32
The upper class is really the lower class meow2u3 Aug 2012 #38

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
1. The goal is to kill off as many poor as they can.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:39 AM
Aug 2012

It will happen if they get what they want. I believe it to be an intentional goal.

Philosoraptor

(15,019 posts)
2. What a sick, disgusting goal
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:44 AM
Aug 2012

I personally don't think they'd get away with it, poor folks would not put up with it anymore, and there are MANY more poor folks than romney-ites.

The French revolution comes to mind.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
6. They've had great success in turning the middle class against the poor.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:04 AM
Aug 2012

But the middle class are on their way to becoming the nouveau poor rather than the nouveau riche they think they will be. Divide and conquer has work well for them thus far.

I suppose their solution will be to just build more prisons.

Thav

(946 posts)
20. If that is their goal, they are starting out the same as other genocides...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:31 AM
Aug 2012

Dehumanizing their targets. The Nazis called Jews "rats." The Hutus called the Tutsis "cockroaches." It's much easier to carry out your plans when you no longer see your target as human.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
34. I live it, so I know it 1st hand.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:06 PM
Aug 2012

I hope more middle class catch on in time to do something since they will be the new poor next.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
7. It's How They Get People To Vote Against Their Own Self Interests...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:12 AM
Aug 2012

How else do you talk people into talking less and not only be glad for it but to defend the rich. It's amazing how the bile and lies of hate radio and faux noise have so permeated the corporate media and now the body politic. The rushpublicans have been masters in "framing messages" that can make people believe up is down and less is more. They have demonized only the government they don't benefit from (never a word anywhere about the trillions squandered on corporate welfare)...and when you try to call these people out on their distortion and lies, you're told you're the one whose waging "class warfare". Damn right I am and will continue to call these bastards out on their lies and distortions.

Sadly a lot of people's fears and prejudices have been played on that leads us to the abyss of total economic and social chaos.

goodword

(44 posts)
15. It's Amazing
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:07 AM
Aug 2012

You're right. My God, what kind of brainwashed fool sits there and worships those who, literally, will take everything they have? It makes me wonder if we don't have some of the dumbest people on earth right here in this supposedly highly-educated country. Apparently, like the propaganda fed the Germans, right wing radio has been very successful in duping those too lazy or stupid to read and research and think for themselves.

It's so frustrating and I impatiently await something, anything, that will drive us to rise up and stop cowering at the feet of the rich and powerful.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
24. We Got A Good Demonstration Last Night...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:19 AM
Aug 2012

We saw Eddie Munster's illegitimate child claim that the rushpublican are "Protecting" Medicare when we know they want to privitize it and fleece whatever money they can out of that system for their big money puppetmasters. Nonetheless there are many I know who are happily going to vote for the Bishop cause they hate the black fella and not much else. They are easily led into sound bites and memes that they don't realize are being used as a club against 'em. Yep, this country is massively stuck on stupid!

Welcome to DU...

Philosoraptor

(15,019 posts)
26. republican voters are deeply dumb, but they're also racist assholes.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:52 AM
Aug 2012

They have ads saying Obama will 'gut' medicare, while paul ryan's plan only wants to cut a trillion bucks off of it.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
27. And Those Messages Are Registering...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:59 AM
Aug 2012

Call 'em what you want (and I'll probably join you) but we're seeing polls showing that the rushpublican lies are starting to get traction. They've been able to start making people believe that President Obama is "stealing" from medicare due to the millions of dollars of ads that are running. Be damned if that lie has been refuted, it's the Big Lie at work here. Say it enough and people will believe it. Low information voters are the most likely to pick up on and believe the lies...unless the Democrats and President Obama find ways to refute them we could be in for some very upseting and frustrating days ahead...

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
37. yes, people don't want to be identified with the 'degraded' section of the populace, so they
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:15 PM
Aug 2012

push it away (even if it's their own roots, family, neighborhood) & say 'i'm not that'. those that actually *are* that can be the worst in attacking their own & identifying with their oppressors.

that's what old-style political education, like the unions and the communist party used to do, is so important in these times. yet it scarcely exists.

goodword

(44 posts)
10. It's Not Just The Poor....
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:54 AM
Aug 2012

For years conservative pundits have also harped on the lower middle class...the working class...those people who work with the hands, who don't sit at a desk all day pushing paper.

In 2001, my husband, like millions of Americans around the same time, lost his job when the company sent work overseas. About that same time I'll never forget hearing a radio talk show mouthpiece say "anyone in America who has lost a job, it's their own fault."

I couldn't believe what I was hearing. This overpaid pig sitting on his butt running his mouth had the nerve to tell millions of Americans that their job loss was THEIR own fault. And THAT was when I realized what conservatism stands for.

I'm a middle working class person, like my father and my grandfather before me. I get up in the morning, I go to work, I feed my family, I pay my bills and my taxes. And while my family before me were considered the backbone of America for their hard work and prosperity, I have been made to feel like I'm just one rung on the ladder above a homeless person. Properity? No chance of that. They've screwed up my retirement plan and the value of my house. They've caused me to struggle with healthcare costs, inflation, and my children's education. Now they want to take away my mortgage deduction...the ONLY deducation I have left. They want to take away my social security and my Medicare. WFT!?!?! It's like their soul ambition is to destroy everyone beneath them.

And while they grip about some kid getting food stamps, they think nothing of the trillions of dollars that have been wasted in the Middle East over the last 10 years.

The country is so f*cked up I'm disgusted with it. It's not the America I remember or grew up in. But it's not the country, it's the people and, frankly, it's hard for me to believe this attitude of greed and hate has no only prevailed, but deepened and widened and engulfed so much of our society.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
16. Feel the same way
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:08 AM
Aug 2012

Welcome to DU...I wish it was under better circumstances and in the kind of America we remember and grew up in.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
35. The problem is the way "middle class" has been defined
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:10 PM
Aug 2012

It can mean ANYTHING..depending on the context used.


found this oldie & it seems MORE applicable than ever.


Middle Class? Low Class? NO class?
Posted by SoCalDem in General Discussion Fri Feb 01st 2008, 01:08 PM

Most people you talk to daily, still consider themselves "middle class"...but what exactly IS middle class?

Middle class, to me at least, means you make enough to be "comfortable".

It means you can go to the grocery store without that unpleasant knot in the stomach when the cashier announces what you owe.

It means that when the electric bill arrives, you don't have to sit down with a bottle of tranquilizers before you open it.

It means that your house-payment is affordable (less than 1/3 of your take home pay)

It means that you have a savings account for emergencies.

It means that you can raise a child or two, and know that when the time comes, they WILL be able to go to college without having to apply for every funky $250 scholarship on-line.

It means that if the car breaks down, you can get it fixed, and still be able to eat that month.

It means that you can plan a family vacation every year, and actually GO.

It means that you can take your kid or yourself to a doctor when necessary.

It means that your kids get to go on field trips, even if they cost money.

It means that you can count on not running out of money before you run out of month.

It means that you don't HAVE to use credit cards, because your bank account is empty.

My uneducated guess is that more middles are actually "lower" these days, but no one dares to think of themselves as "low class"..

Even "lower-middle" just sounds bad. It feels like you might soon lose the "middle".. that you are trending downward.

America has always pretended to be a classless society, but we all know better.. We learn that in grade school. Everyone automatically "measures" their family against families of the other kids, and many of us grow up feeling insecure, and feeling like our own families don't quite measure up to those of our friends..

We all think that once we arrive at "middle-classiness", we will be OK. If your feet are firmly planted in middle-class-land, you can always aspire to get to a higher class, but no one ever plans to go lower.

We have always been hopeful, but it's becoming a painful reality, that our expectations are not all that great anymore.

More and more of us actually expect to be poor or poorer.


.............................................................

or

................................................................

Anyone waiting for a return to "middle class", may be waiting forever
Posted by SoCalDem in General Discussion
Fri Jun 10th 2011, 11:11 AM
Middle Class status was a blip...an aberration, a cultural iconic status that was well-hyped, and actually achieved by very few.

A look at American life in the rear view mirror is helpful in understanding it.

Prior to our entry into WWII, MOST people lived in a rich-poor USA. People in big cities lived crammed into small apartments (often over Mom& Pop) businesses that barely covered expenses, or in run-down tenement buildings.

Rural/small-town people lived a hand-to-mouth existence, and worked dawn to dusk...usually in very small ramshackle places.

The country was mired in depression/post depression angst, with men roaming the country looking for work, and families loading up what little they had into anything they could move, just to try their luck somewhere else. Jobs were scarce, and when found, paid little. The only "un-rich" who had credit were the ones who "owed their soul to the company-store".


WWII swooped up most of the men and sent them abroad, which immediately created millions of "job openings".

It's no surprise that an eager female workforce snapped up those jobs, and gave us pretty much "full employment".

Post-WWII (only a 6 yr span from start to finish), brought back the men (and displaced most of the women) and with those men, an eagerness to make up for lost time. It's also important to remember that most of the rest of the world's production capacity was thrashed, so we were poised to shoot right to the top of the heap, and we did.

The timeline from 1950 (when most of the ones in the GI Bill had finished college) to the mid-60's, created millions of new families who truly needed everything. The generation born after the war would be living AWAY from the "family homes". Until after the war , it was not unusual for families to be in multi-generational living arrangements.

A look at old census records showed me that at one time in the late 20's, my grandparents lived at an address that also housed 2 brothers, their wives and children and 3 elderly parents. As a kid I rode bikes & roller-skated past that old house many times, never even knowing the history of that place, or that once upon a time, my ancestors jammed so many people into that 4 bedroom house.

Post WWII vets had earned the right to have their own place, and took advantage of the opportunity.

Movies, magazines & later TV, showed us all what "middle class" was supposed to be, and Madison Avenue was happy to oblige.

As the only exporter of "stuff", and a country with tremendous pent-up demand for all the goods & services that people had been denied by first the Depression and later the war, it's no surprise that we boomed.

Even in the midst of "middle class", it never really was what we had all been sold, because the seeds of destruction had already been planted. There were many children, who would soon be fighting each other for jobs that would start disappearing as they aged.

People who had never dreamed that they would own a home, were able to buy that house & have a car and take a vacation now and then, and even save some money, but behind the scenes, business was already trying to find ways to eliminate expenses, and with them , jobs.

As a child of the 50's, it was rare to find ANYTHING in stores that was not "made in the USA". Occasionally we would run across something that said "Made in occupied Japan", and a little later, just "Made in Japan", but that stuff did not sell well to people who had recently been at war with Japan.

Business is all about profit, and every penny saved on wages & benefits, is a penny in the pockets of the ones in charge.

The children of WWII vets & their wives never experienced the Depression, and had only ever known plenty, so it should come as no surprise, that this generation would not be as frugal as their parents' & grandparents' generations had been...especially after a young-lifetime of being indulged by parents who felt lucky to have survived the war and who had so much more than many of them had ever expected to have.

This era also ushered in (in a big way) cheap throw-away stuff. It was suddenly possible (even preferred) to buy single use "stuff". Where people used to hang onto things and repair them over and over, and then dismantle them for parts for the "next one", now those items were just tossed out and a new one bought to replace it. Repair shops faded away...and with them, a family income went as well.

For 169 years (1776-1945), America was rich v poor, with very little in the middle, and in a 6 year period, we "created" Middle Class". By the time the 1970's rolled around, "Middle Class" was getting a little ragged around the edges, and starting to be less achievable by more and more people.

Credit cards replaced wage-increases necessary to maintain the standard of living that most people now felt entitled to, and as the rest of the world needed less of what we "made", it was no surprise that jobs and the benefits that came with those jobs, would start to decline in number. The technology boom also made whole swaths of "the economy" outdated and non-existent. The problem though, is that there were people....real people...still attached to those segments of vanished job markets. Those people had/have families, and expenses.

The union movement (earned at great cost decades earlier) was becoming "unnecessary" because there were just so many Boomers to fill a shrinking number of jobs, and mechanization was marching along to eliminate more jobs.

Decades of bad legislation and sweetheart deals made in back rooms, have sold us all out, and the need to rely on credit for so many, have undone millions of families.

Recession after recession , with an aggravating regularity, coupled with recurring bouts of massive fraud and the following taxpayer bail-outs , has dealt the Middle Class a pretty shitty hand, and there are no more Aces in the deck.

We may be soon returning to the way of life we had for most of our nation's "life"....a hand-to-mouth, unsure way of living...We had a blip of about 30 years of what most would call "Middle Class" (mostly for the people born in the early-1930's) , and now it's ending, and we're headed back to what we always were..rich v poor, with most of us scrambling for the scraps. We may have better quality scraps these days, but they are still scraps..

Confidence built our country & made us what we are, and as we hemorrhage confidence, it's not surprising that we are turning on each other, as we flail around looking for some one, something to blame for our suffering.

goodword

(44 posts)
40. Illusory Superiority
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:48 AM
Sep 2012

I agree with most of your definitions of "middle class". College education is probably one I wouldn't put in the middle class category as something most people could pay for, but I think the gist of your descripton is that you live within your means and are content.

I grew up in the 60's. My father worked, mom stayed home. We had one car. We had a little surburban bungalow with one bathroom. Back then there was no cablevision, cell phones, video games. Not even a fraction of the crap there is today to spend money on. We always had food on the table. There was always Christmas and a yearly vacation. I got new school clothes - nothing fancy or brand name. My parents always had savings and emergency money. They never used a credit card for anything. I went to school with children whose families were very much like my own.

And then something changed along about the time women began to take to the workforce. Suddenly, in the 70's everyone wanted a second car. A bigger TV. Pay-to-watch television. Trips to Disney World or Cozumel. A brand new home. A swimming pool. A timeshare on the beach. Brand name clothing.

Suddenly, middle class got too big for its britches. I think there were a couple of reasons for this. Just about the same time all the Civil Rights efforts began paying off for African Americans, blacks took their place in the workforce, earning the same as white people. They were able to buy cars and get credit and move into middle class neighborhoods. I believe there was a subconscious freak-out among the white middle class that drove them to greater lengths to feel superior. This required a second income in order to push them above the level blacks had now attained, so now we have women going to work in droves.

The next reason is two-fold. Our society was suddenly inundated with stuff AND we began to feel we deserved these things whether we could afford them or not. Credit became rampant. The prices of everything exploded. From cars to homes to all the new-fangled electronics, people were buying like there was no tomorrow and charging it. No one thought in terms of whether such things could actually be afforded; the goal was to have them despite the financial strain.

So here we are. The vicious cycle continues. The ONLY way it can be brought under control is by reversing the course. We have to stop this illusory superiority that we've developed that we should buy and have simply because we exist. We need to learn to be content with what we have and what we can truly afford, not what we think we can afford or what our credit limit will allow. The current idealism of strive, strive, strive to get more, more, more is teaching our children an illusive means of happiness. We've completely lost the meaning of contentment, and in it's place we've become spoiled and arrogant and superficial.

Whether we, as a society, can ever do this is probably not something I'd bet on; at least, not until we are forced by inflation to rein in our spending and learn that we can be successful without being supercilious.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
12. Same as it ever was
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:05 AM
Aug 2012

I'm reading "The Invention of Capitalism" by Michael Perelman, who essentially lays out how capitalism at its roots has defined poor people as brutish animals that needed poverty and the threat of starvation to keep them from indulging their "natural" inclination toward sloth and indolence.

“…everyone but an idiot knows that the lower classes must be kept poor, or they will never be industrious.”

—Arthur Young; 1771

“‘Tis always observed, in years of scarcity, if it be not extreme, that the poor labour more, and really live better.” David Hume

"Poverty is that state and condition in society where the individual has no surplus labour in store, or, in other words, no property or means of subsistence but what is derived from the constant exercise of industry in the various occupations of life. Poverty is therefore a most necessary and indispensable ingredient in society, without which nations and communities could not exist in a state of civilization. It is the lot of man. It is the source of wealth, since without poverty, there could be no labour; there could be no riches, no refinement, no comfort, and no benefit to those who may be possessed of wealth." Patrick Colquhoun



goodword

(44 posts)
19. Is This What They Teach
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:12 AM
Aug 2012

in business schools these days?

It would certainly seem like it. Years ago if you went to business school you learned economics and tax law. Now it would seem they teach students how to devalue people. I certainly hope it wasn't their parents who have taught them that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Being poor? Don't worry about it. It doesn't happen.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:07 AM
Aug 2012

The American System has a way to shut that right down. (That's what I hear.)

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
21. I grew up poor...I can't think of many either
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:31 AM
Aug 2012

other than developing a sense of what's really important in life (your loved ones...because they're all you've got, basically).

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
23. I can't believe the incredible amount of hatred it takes to be a republican?
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:44 AM
Aug 2012

It's their MO. A lot of it is triggered by radical racism too.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
29. Don't worry, basically everyone gets in on the act
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:07 PM
Aug 2012

I was at work the other day, and was asked to fix a computer for a guest. I don't have my IT job anymore, that got downsized out of existence. Still, why not, right?

30 mins of tinkering later and I have it fixed. I'm making my polite way out, and this question:

"So, are you in college?"
Me: "Not at this point.&quot leave it alone...)
"Have you been to College?"
Me: (fine...) "Yes, I went for a year and had to drop out due to illness."
"So why aren't you going now?"
Me: "I can't afford to."
"Well, if you wanted to, you'd find a way."
Me: "...I'm supporting a disabled Parent. I consider that to be more important."
"Well...well..."
Me: "When things like this come up, they take care of us, we take care of them. It's that simple."
"Oh...I guess..."

A few years ago, this would have highly insulted me. Now, I just accept that I'm not a person- I'm a lazy, indolent, irresponsible and unmotivated example of this generation, and a waste of space compared to the "job creators."

I get this from everyone but the people sharing space with me here at the bottom. If there's one thing America is united in, it's hate of the poor.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
30. The depth of the hate is so scary too.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:57 PM
Aug 2012

It's been bad for a while but it's getting much worse. They want us dead well before we can collect SS. or Medicare.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
31. It's perfectly logical
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:06 PM
Aug 2012

Hate is based on fear. They fear to be in the same position I am in, so they have to ascribe an excuse as to why I deserve it, or else they have to admit their beloved system has problems.

Everyone who depends on the system has this deep rooted fear that all is not well, and when it gets tapped, they would happily kill me or others to remove the reminder.

That, and the 1% are afraid too- they want to kill us off because they're outnumbered, and they know deep down that they don't have the skills to build a world themselves(and they don't want us to find that out).

It's a lot of pressure from above me, but I think of it this way- I'm happily divorced from the idea that this is all fair and opportunities are everywhere. A country that values money over people sold its soul to objects. I suffer, but I have a better clarity of vision than the people who use me.

goodword

(44 posts)
41. It's Still Insulting
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:14 AM
Sep 2012

What business is it of this person to put you on the spot and make you have to explain your personal choices? How rude of them to make you feel inferior because you haven't followed some prescribed course of life according to THEM.

Contrary to popular believe not everyone goes to college. I work for a university, but IMO, higher education has become a scam. Years ago, college was a place for people who wanted to BECOME something...a doctor, lawyer, teacher, engineer, etc. People didn't just GO to college. They had a plan, they had a career in mind. It was more than just getting a piece of paper.

Colleges realized they could make a whole lot more money if they joined forces with banks and businesses and created this world where a degree would be necessary to get even the most trivial of jobs. If you know your computer history, you know 30 years ago very few people in the IT industry had a "computer" degree. The old-timers, like my husband, learned on the job and worked their way up. They are the ones who really helped build the industry. Now no one wants them because they don't have a college degree. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs that anyone of average intelligence could learn; yet, businesses will refuse to hire. For what it's worth, a degree doesn't signify either intelligence or work ethic. I see these types every day. The degree may hang on the wall, but it's owner isn't always the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Between the college, the bank and the government, higher education has become a money-making racket. It has put millions of people in debt that they struggle with every day...debt that, conveniently for the lender, can never be written off. It has guaranteed that education in America will always be out of reach for most people unless they are willing to undertake the risk of large loans. It is not about the education, it is about the money.

This is why I'm glad my own son decided to take up welding. Had he wanted to go to a university I certainly would have tried to help him, but he was smart enough to realize college degrees are becoming as common as ticks on a dog. People who can work with their hands, who have a skill most others don't have, are the ones who are going to be in demand.

Bless you for taking care of your parent. Don't let anyone ever undermine your confidence or who you are. This crap about being lazy, irresponsible, etc. is a Limbaugh/conservative slight that simply means they're invested in some university somewhere and looking for returns. We need to stop feeding them.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
42. Thanks for the support!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:19 PM
Sep 2012

And welcome to DU!

It was highly insulting, but I've learned not to take it personally. I'm a walking "anomaly" in our "perfect" system. I'm smart, I work hard, I'm a non-minority, I speak well and I don't have a criminal record. Everyone insists that's what you need to "get somewhere" in America.

Instead, I have a seasonal job without benefits, a parent to take care of, and no chance to advance.

Instead of taking that as a sign that something is wrong with the system, they usually decide it's due to me lacking motivation or squandering my (pitifully small) paycheck. I forgive that because during the Clinton years(teens/early 20s), I too believed that opportunities were all over and you just had to work for them. I have since been painfully educated in how our system is indifferent to such abstract concepts of fairness, honesty or decency.

As I was saying to a friend this morning, though, I think change is coming. People are fighting it, and will probably resist until the last scrap of the old is torn down...but in the long term, the only system that can work is one that puts people first, and I believe that will inevitably come.

Maybe it will even come before climate change or we ourselves kill everyone

meow2u3

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38. The upper class is really the lower class
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:26 PM
Aug 2012

because of the contempt of the upper class for the lower class

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