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Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:44 PM Jul 2019

Dan Rather on the morning Mueller session

From Facebook:

The morning session is over, and here are my thoughts:

The Mueller Report is one of the most damning investigations of a sitting administration in recent American history. It was always about the report. Everything was already in the report. And everyone in Congress already knew that. The real action should be by the House of Representatives taking up the baton of accountability, investigation, and justice not asking Robert Mueller to hand them the baton yet again.

It is clear that the President of the United States obstructed justice, but the Special Council felt he could not indict a sitting president under existing legal principle. It is also clear that there were many concerning and meaningful associations between the Trump campaign and the Russians, who were conducting a high-level and sophisticated campaign to undermine American democracy. We heard that today. We knew that before today.

The report does not exonerate the president. Of course it doesn’t. And Robert Mueller made that clear in a headline answer early in his testimony today. Could the president be charged with a crime after he left office? Once again, the answer from Mueller was yes. Did lies from the Trump administration officials impede the investigation? Another yes from Mueller.

But for all who hoped for a grand theatrical moment that crystallized and unified a nation against the outrages of this president, I don’t think any such moment occurred. And probably none should have been expected. We are a deeply divided nation where millions support and normalize the actions of a reckless president.

Mueller was obviously a reluctant witness who refused to paint a colorful sound bite narrative for the Democrats. Time and again he said “I would refer you to the report.” But any careful parsing of his answers would find many

Mueller was also mostly muted and restrained in defending his team and his own actions against the Republican members who waded into the numerous conspiracy theories and distractions that the president’s defenders have long peddled to muddy the investigation. Once again, Mueller understood it was all in the report.

I don’t know what the long-term effect will be of Mueller’s day on Capitol Hill. This moment of history is still being written. To think that Robert Mueller should be the main actor in the drama was always misplaced casting. This was not and should not have been about him. This is about the rule of law. This is about the separation of powers. This is about a reckless president and the confederates who enable him.

Was this an opening act for a rigorous launch of oversight by Congress, which is clearly what Mueller and his team felt was their constitutional duty? Or will it be the capstone on a political calculation by Democratic leadership that impeachment proceedings are unwise for their future electoral prospects?
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Dan Rather on the morning Mueller session (Original Post) Poiuyt Jul 2019 OP
Dan Rather is an extremely wise person. I thank God that he's around. n/t DonaldsRump Jul 2019 #1
K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #2
DURec leftstreet Jul 2019 #3
I wonder what his thoughts were AFTER the "Morning Session". BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #4
Here was his later FB post today: pnwmom Jul 2019 #9
Thanks! BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #12
this is what happens when liberals are so fucking stupid they ignore rw radio for certainot Jul 2019 #5
Dan is perspicacious! burrowowl Jul 2019 #6
Rather Hit Back calling the MAGAts "Confederates" StocktonNative Jul 2019 #7
K&R alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #8
That last bit is pretty profound. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #10
Excellent question, Dan, but depressing as hell, since it is increasingly clear what the answer is. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #11
K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #13
Asking Robert Mueller to hand them the baton yet again Sunsky Jul 2019 #14
Great post malaise Jul 2019 #15

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
9. Here was his later FB post today:
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:01 AM
Jul 2019

Dan Rather
9 hrs ·
We will have a battle of headlines, hot takes and hot air. We will have polls and politics. We will have the schisms plaguing American democracy plunge deeper. I fear little said today will, at least in the short term, provide any balm to our national struggles.

But this was historic. It confirmed what we already should have known. America was attacked by a hostile foreign power. That attack was welcomed and benefited a candidate for president. And that president lied about that attack and minimized it. His enablers and confederates have played along. Many of his aides have pled guilty to lying about their foreign contacts. This is un-American at its core.

That should be enough for bipartisan outrage. Whether we move towards impeachment will be the calculation of House leadership. But we saw in the questioning this afternoon a lot of tap dancing from Republicans eager to not infuriate their president but also not wishing to seem to countenance this type of foreign attack.

In all the smoke, in all the outrage, in all the posturing, we cannot forget the core truth. In between the lines of Mueller’s testimony we see his determination that the risk to our democratic ideals and function is deep and remains very present today. He has performed his service. How he performed that will be for others to judge. But the action now lies with Congress. How they respond, how we respond, will determine the verdict of history.

StocktonNative

(120 posts)
7. Rather Hit Back calling the MAGAts "Confederates"
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:29 AM
Jul 2019

...good because they fly the Stars and Bars anyways and support a corrupt President.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
10. That last bit is pretty profound.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:20 AM
Jul 2019

Pelosi is quite intelligent, though, and astute. I also like to think she and the other Democratic Party leaders Nadler, Schiff and Cummings, are honorable people who have been in the political arena for many years, watched it become corrupt and polarized and yet still care about the American people. Well, I know they do.

And think of what Pelosi said there at the presser. She said that the Dems were waiting for more facts to come in prior to deciding on impeachment, but that it wasn't endless.

Trump's evil is endless.

Pelosi and the Democrats are trying to build a strong case because Trump's evil is endless, and because so many Americans have been seduced by that evil. The more people we can get to understand, the stronger the case we have. As was pointed out, there are two trials that take place after impeachment - the Senate trial, and the trial before the American people.

I honestly, fervently hope we can preserve our republic.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
11. Excellent question, Dan, but depressing as hell, since it is increasingly clear what the answer is.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:48 AM
Jul 2019

It appears there will be no impeachment investigation. This is devastating for our democracy and the rule of law. I weep for our country.



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