I'm wondering if Speaker Pelosi's strategy is to count on

[LuckyCharms]

a groundswell of public anger to build over time, that will force people into the streets demanding impeachment?

This may be a valid political strategy, but it is very risky since it would require that most people get off their lazy asses and start paying attention. I say this because most people cannot even be bothered to vote.

So in my view, if this is the strategy, it means that the Democratic House leadership, at some point soon, needs a media blitz that lays out all of the facts in a simple and forceful way, and in a way that is so compelling that it motivates people to get a fucking move on. In a way that both encourages people to both:

1) Get to the polls next November, and

2) Pushes people to convince their congressional representative to vote for impeachment

[PJMcK]

1. Who cares? Enough with the multi-level strategies!

The facts have been laid out clearly: Trump broke many laws and continues to do so.

There should be only one strategy: Begin impeachment hearings immediately.

Otherwise, kiss our country goodbye.

It's really just Speaker Pelosi's choice.

[LuckyCharms]

3. Do you not recognize the risk of that backfiring

and actually increasing Trump's support (and ensuring his re-election) if the push for impeachment does not come from the voters?

Do you not see that most House members do not support impeachment at this point, and the only way to change that is for their constituents to pressure them to do so?

These facts are not the way we like it, but these facts are the way it is.

I too support impeachment 100%, but it has to come from the ground up. I share the frustration of many people here, but *here* is not the voting population. That has to be changed, and I'm simply p[resenting the view that this may be Pelosi's strategy, like it or hate it.

In a way, that strategy is working on a micro level, considering all of the anger here about the current lack of impeachment.

[Oregon1947]

18. I don't understand why people can't see this..

"Do you not see that most House members do not support impeachment at this point, and the only way to change that is for their constituents to pressure them to do so? "

There a difference between personally wanting something and the reality of the situation and what needs to be done.

[SKKY]

2. I think they were probably hoping to kick off said media blitz off the momentum generated...

...by Director Mueller's testimony. It's a shame it wasn't handled better because, optics aside, Mueller confirmed some very, very damning stuff that would have no doubt indicted anyone else. We need someone, a surrogate of sorts, to lead a media blitz for this. I nominate Sean Patrick Maloney from the 18th District in NY. He's not afraid to go on Fox, and every time I've seen him on Tucker, he pretty much John Stewarts him. We also need go begin impeachment proceedings to get people like Hicks, McGahn, etc to testify.

[LuckyCharms]

4. Agree 100%. I am not familiar with O'Malley, but we do indeed...

need a surrogate, who has little to no skin in the current game, to make a firm case for impeachment to the public.

[SKKY]

5. My apologies. I meant Sean Patrick Maloney (D-NY18)...

...Why did I say O'Malley? I'm not even that catholic.

[LuckyCharms]

7. Thank you, I'll have a look. n/t

[SKKY]

9. Here's a quick video with him debating Carlson.

This is who should be everywhere, all the time, beating the drum for our side.

[LuckyCharms]

12. Yes, he's good. Thanks. n/t

[hlthe2b]

6. It is a risky strategy either way, but America's patience won't last much longer...

and she risks a wave of cynicism that will be devastating, depress voter turn-out and could lose us the election with Trump scarcely lifting a finger.

I support Pelosi and I am hopeful that she is playing this "right." I am hopeful it is a matter of timing such that it would have the maximum reveal of all Trump's "ugly" right up to the election. That said, you can count me among those whose patience is severely tested. Something has to give.

[LuckyCharms]

8. Agree. I share your impatience...

and I'm just presenting what I feel may be her strategy. I hope that is indeed the strategy, because if it isn't...I got nothing.

[ehrnst]

10. Did you miss the media blitz that she did before the testimony?

And again... we have the votes in congress to impeach, but is that the right course at this time? Impeaching Clarence Thomas would be the 'right thing' to do, but doing it right now would be the absolute wrong thing in terms of the future of the court. DT would just replace him with a political clone half his age.

I'm not privy to her strategy, but I trust her more than anyone alive to make that decision.

NO, this is not 'blind loyalty." She was chosen for this job by her peers for good reason, and is the most consequential Speaker in modern times.

A political baraccuda (as her daughter calls her) with experience, a cool head under pressure, deep understanding of proceedure, access to and respect for the input of those around her, the ability to change course quickly when needed and a track record of accomplishing what others (Obama) thought was impossible (getting the ACA passed).

She's a woman, and a target of misogyny on the left. She isn't concerned with being "liked" by bros, and the women who love them, and that grinds their ass like nothing else. The GOP is licking their chops at the idea that those on the left will try to stop her from doing her job so they don't have to.

You can see it on DU, unfortunately.

[progressoid]

13. I've read criticism of her on DU because for a lot of different reasons.

But misogyny?

[melman]

14. It's utter horse shit

also..

"bros and the women who love them.."




not enough eye rolls in the world for that one.

[ehrnst]

17. No, it's not.

[ehrnst]

15. Yes.

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[progressoid]

20. Other malicious intruders, I haven't seen that.

[ehrnst]

21. I have.

[OBrien]

11. She's waiting for Trump to commit more crimes

And knowing him that’s highly likely. If he thinks he’s immune than what’s stopping him?

[kentuck]

16. I think she's waiting on Trump to defy a court order.

Once he defies both of the other branches of government, it will be time for her to act.

[Amishman]

19. She's waiting for sufficient public support

As I've posted several times recently, public support for impeachment has dropped significantly since the Mueller report has come out and is now down in the 30's.

You don't initiate any kind of massively public spectacle without broad public support - which we don't have.

[SouthernProgressive]

22. Children in cages didn't send people to the streets.

A racist bigot as President hasn't sent people out into the streets.

Underrated: The Tax Scam which has severely harmed us didn't send people out into the streets.

Well documented and known Russian interference into our elections didn't send people into the streets.

I sure hope she isn't counting on people taking to the streets. We have jobs with very limited protections. Not as easy of a decision as some keyboard warriors like to think it is(not talking about you).