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Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The Committee has seen no evidence that any votes were changed or that any voting machines were manipulated.
And not one Democratic member of the committee has said otherwise.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)If the opportunity is there, the presumption must be that it was used.
To prove it, there would have to be a witnessed paper trail, which does not exist in many states.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)but not because prove my vote was changed or counted.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)If you presume the system already secure, in spite of all the reports to the contrary, then you have no reason to safeguard it. That's not logical.
Proving that a vote was changed or not counted is not possible without an unalterable record of each vote. This requires a physical ballot, not electronic.
watoos
(7,142 posts)It is a common right wing talking point, "there is no evidence that votes were changed." The problem with that logic is that there is no proof that any votes weren't changed. Show me one voting machine that was pulled out and independently audited. There aren't any because the voting machine owners claim proprietary rights for their software.
Hell, Mitch just ditched another bill that was passed by the House that would require all new voting machines be built in America. Yeah I know, what does that prove?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Even if the software was completely open source -- and it is mind-bogglingly idiotic for it to be closed -- it would be an enormous task to verify the code.
We've traded a secret ballot and verifiable election for a fast number from secretive corporations.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fortunately, most states have made major changes in their voting systems since 2016, and hopefully they and feds will do more in next year.
But, that doesnt change what Report said, and no disagreement from Democratic senators have been noted.
We lost, there are plenty to blame besides seemingly mythical vote hackers.
yellowdogintexas
(22,256 posts)Because I am a precinct chair, I can check our stats every day to see how many of my voters have returned their VBM ballots including mine and my husband's A little red note pops up that says 'voted'. Daily early voting numbers also show up.
This year we are getting new voting machines with electronic touch screens; (no more stupid wheels to turn to mark your vote!) after you choose your candidates you print the ballot. If you messed up you can bring it back to the Election Judge, who will spoil the ballot and give you a new access code so you can try a second time. WHen your ballot is completed and printed then you walk it over to the scanner which counts and stores it.
We are going to save a ton of $$ on paper, because we will no longer have to print 800 to 1000 ballots for a precinct which will have 150 voters show up. Unused blank ballot paper will just be stored until the next election. Also, we will have 100% paper ballots at Early Voting, ELection Day and with Vote By Mail.
As an ELection Judge I am so happy to have new machines which are not on line, with touch screens that print out the completed ballot. No more voters putting check marks or X marks in the box which often don't get counted because the scanner can't see them. These machines will fill in the whole box and thus be correctly scanned. These paper ballots will be saved for 2 years.
The other cool thing is the expansion of anywhere voting to Election Day. Basically, if you go to the wrong precinct to vote on election day, you are told to go vote in the correct one, and sometimes you can't get there. Well now if you come to the wrong precinct, we just let you vote. Now the new voting machines will be able to pull up the ballot for the correct precinct, then you vote the ballot and print it for counting. The electronic part does not count or store anything it just pulls up the correct ballot for that voter.
I can't wait to test it out.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Electronic voting cannot be secured or verified.
When you touch the screen, you may be opening a garage door on the other side of town. You, as the voter, cannot verify that your vote was correctly gathered. All you can verify is that something about the machine changed. The public can verify that you touched the machine, but cannot verify that you cast a ballot.
When the machine spits out a number, it cannot be verified to be associated with the number of voters pressing something on the machine. It's just a number.
With paper ballots, the voter can verify his or her vote. The public can observe that a voter placed one and only one ballot into a verifiably secure container. The public can observe those ballots being counted and can verify the count.
Electronic voting gives a fast number at the expense of a secret ballot that can be publicly verified.
triron
(22,006 posts)Why do you think that was?
For some reason some here on DU want to buy into
this cover up of election narrative that is being pushed by those who don't want
us to know the truth. I already know what your response will probably be but go ahead.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Clearly, the report should be used to appropriate billions to safeguard system.
triron
(22,006 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)lostnfound
(16,180 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)malaise
(269,028 posts)ReTHUGs stole the elections
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)bluestarone
(16,970 posts)I REALLY REALLY REALLY worry what they are going to do in 2020! 2016 was a trial and error. They will hit us hard!
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)is part of the process necessary to combat this.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)There.. fixed it for you.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)there is no evidence votes were switched.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)something was wrong...very wrong...
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,005 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)Pretty sure everyone thought Hillary would win.
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)What are we going to do about it?
How do we save the system and ourselves along with it?
erronis
(15,287 posts)Just to be argumentative...
We'll have to second-guess all of our elections from now on. Federal, state, local. Maybe that's what the instigators want. Not so much to throw an election to a particularly stupid puppet but just to sow distrust in the system.
Botany
(70,515 posts)* update all 50
Putin was not looking at the hardware and software of the operating systems of the electronic
voting machines, the central tabulators, and the voter d-base files just to have "a look around."
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)And to those who say there is nothing funny going on, I have a very simple question:
If electronic voting is ok, why are they so scared to use it in Western Europe e.g. France and Germany?
triron
(22,006 posts)For the hell of it?