Who are the Democrats running against Obama or Trump? Last night on the debates Biden was

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attacked for just about everything the Obama Administration did, WTF? Then Biden uses the Republican talking point
Obamacare over and over instead of the ACA. Probably more than half of the voters don't know they are the same thing.
They actually asked people in 2016 about health care and they liked the ACA but they said Obamacare had to be repealed.
They gave Trump all the talking points he needs he can hit Biden for Obamacare, they pointed out Obama deported more people than he did, on and on it was like they were running against everything Obama ever did! Biden can't run against Trump as Uncle Joe,
I wonder can he get down in the dirt with that asshole.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. "Obamacare" is not a GOP talking point, at least not any more.

Obama and the Dems have embraced it years ago. I suspect Biden used the term - with Obama's name - deliberately in order to associate himself positively with Obama, who is still very popular, as well as with the ACA. As to the other candidates' criticisms of Obama, those were, of course, intended to reflect poorly on Biden, but doing so was a stupid mistake, IMO, and I hope they stop doing it.

[LArider]

2. Agree

Obama was the best president of my lifetime. Sucks to see his own party attack him.

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3. "Obamacare" gave us the Tea Party and to former Democrats that voted for Trump

repealing Obamacare was a big part of why they voted for him. To a good portion of voters the Republicans have made the word Obamacare, Liberal and Socialist poison for anyone they run against.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. But Democrats like it, and so does Obama himself.

I don't give a shit what people think who won't vote for any Democrat anyhow.

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5. There are millions of people in the rust belt states that voted

for Democrats all their lives that could be convinced to vote or us again. But they aren't going to vote for someone that promises a
a big government program for everything. What Biden said we could build on the ACA, make a public option may work here but Medicare for all or a national healthcare system won't work. The insurance companies will never let it happen!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. That's a whole different argument from whether "Obamacare" is a GOP talking point

(which it isn't). I tend to agree that MFA will be a tough sell in some places.

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8. It still is a Republican talking point, Democrats may have accepted it

but Republicans spit it out like it was a 4 letter word. To them it is everything that is wrong with the Democratic party.

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7. And The U.S. Will Never Land A Man On The Moon.....nt