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Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:57 AM

Rick Santorum Suggests Unarmed 'Soft Target' Shoppers Tempted El Paso Shooter


Rick Santorum Suggests Unarmed ‘Soft Target’ Shoppers Tempted El Paso Shooter

The former Pennsylvania senator parroted a line often used by gun control opponents — that if everyone is armed, everyone is safer.


By Mary Papenfuss

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rick-santorum-soft-targets-el-paso-cnn_n_5d4766d3e4b0aca3411fa40b

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When CNN State of the Union host Jake Tapper asked about the Texas shooting Saturday that killed 20 people, Santorum responded: “So they go after soft targets, that’s exactly right. The whole point is that when you restrict guns to law-abiding people, you make more soft targets.”

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Texas is an open-carry state where shoppers could legally have been armed — but the law didn’t have any impact on the Walmart attack. Tapper pointed out to Santorum that alleged gunman Patrick Crusius, 21, did not appear to be deterred by the possibility of any armed shoppers. In addition, it wasn’t likely that a gunman could have easily determined who was armed and who was not to make any decision about a “soft target.”

Santorum, now a conservative CNN commentator, was parroting the narrative of gun control foes who argue that everyone is safer if everyone is armed. He also claimed, without evidence, that in “several” shooting instances this year, armed “law-abiding people actually come, not police ... and stop these things.”

In fact, it was police, not armed civilians, who stopped the attacks in both El Paso and later that night in Dayton, Ohio, where a gunman killed nine people in yet another mass shooting. Last Sunday, police also stopped a mass shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in California that killed two children and an adult.

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Rick is just full of Santorum.

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Reply Rick Santorum Suggests Unarmed 'Soft Target' Shoppers Tempted El Paso Shooter (Original post)
marble falls Aug 2019 OP
PCIntern Aug 2019 #1
pangaia Aug 2019 #2
marble falls Aug 2019 #4
ooky Aug 2019 #31
Zoonart Aug 2019 #3
PJMcK Aug 2019 #5
Paladin Aug 2019 #6
LessAspin Aug 2019 #7
Eyeball_Kid Aug 2019 #8
DonaldsRump Aug 2019 #9
FakeNoose Aug 2019 #58
ExciteBike66 Aug 2019 #10
Nay Aug 2019 #13
ExciteBike66 Aug 2019 #17
marble falls Aug 2019 #19
Nay Aug 2019 #30
marble falls Aug 2019 #35
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #21
Skittles Aug 2019 #54
tanyev Aug 2019 #11
SallyHemmings Aug 2019 #12
marble falls Aug 2019 #20
UpInArms Aug 2019 #14
real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #15
BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #16
Midnightwalk Aug 2019 #18
elevator48 Aug 2019 #22
marble falls Aug 2019 #23
liberaltrucker Aug 2019 #40
Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #24
tanyev Aug 2019 #25
Skittles Aug 2019 #55
tanyev Aug 2019 #56
Botany Aug 2019 #26
marble falls Aug 2019 #36
DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #27
Freedomofspeech Aug 2019 #28
Me. Aug 2019 #29
Vinca Aug 2019 #32
tblue37 Aug 2019 #33
Leghorn21 Aug 2019 #38
miyazaki Aug 2019 #34
Blue_true Aug 2019 #37
marble falls Aug 2019 #45
Blue_true Aug 2019 #47
marble falls Aug 2019 #48
OldDem65 Aug 2019 #39
Grammy23 Aug 2019 #41
Blue_true Aug 2019 #50
Nay Aug 2019 #60
jmowreader Aug 2019 #42
spanone Aug 2019 #43
Retrograde Aug 2019 #44
yellowcanine Aug 2019 #46
llmart Aug 2019 #49
yellowcanine Aug 2019 #51
FakeNoose Aug 2019 #59
gibraltar72 Aug 2019 #52
TygrBright Aug 2019 #53
sir pball Aug 2019 #57
marble falls Aug 2019 #61

Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:00 AM

1. Hey (P)Rick:

Yeah, and nine year old boys and girls tempt pedophiles. And cashiers tempt robbers. And attractive women tempt rapists. And Fort Knox tempted Goldfinger.

What a stupid man. Jesus. You’ve heard of the Millenials. He’s a Moronial.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:01 AM

2. is he still alive?

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Response to pangaia (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:03 AM

4. From the neck down.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:23 AM

31. lol

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:03 AM

3. I think we need a "Fuck off", Rick Santorum thread.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:08 AM

5. Fuck off, Santorum

Well, a sub-thread, anyway!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:09 AM

6. Eat shit and die, Rick. ASAP. (nt)

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:10 AM

7. Never forget...

Rick Santorum's allegiance is to the NRA & Russia:




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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:11 AM

8. Santorum: himself a soft target,

or just generally soft in the head?

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:12 AM

9. Who's that your're hanging out with, Ricker?

Ain't she done a lot with the NRA?

[link:|

(that's Maria Butina!)

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Response to DonaldsRump (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:15 PM

58. More to the point

... who kept following her around and snapping pix of her with all the Repukes? I mean every single Repuke who was ever anybody, shows up in a photo with her. Who does that?

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:13 AM

10. Hypothetical...

Armed shopper #1 hears gunfire in the next aisle. He whips out his pistol and turns the corner to find two people with guns shooting at each other. One person is "the active shooter", and one is armed shopper #2.

If both are dressed normally, how does armed shopper #1 know who to shoot?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:30 AM

13. And how do the arriving police know who to shoot? They don't. Considering that so many

police shoot first and ask questions later (and they don't even ask questions if they shoot a black person), you'd have to be nuts to pull a gun in such a melee.

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Response to Nay (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:36 AM

17. Good point

The cops in Ohio responded so quick, it might have surprised any civilian gun owners...

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:41 AM

19. Let alone the good citizen shot to death by cops in the Baton Rouge Mall ...

last year. He was an off duty cop himself, pulled his piece and was shot immediately.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:18 AM

30. Yeah, I forgot about that poor fellow. He was black, wasn't he? I rest my case.

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Response to Nay (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

35. In his case the cops kkknew exactly who needed being shot.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:44 AM

21. MAGA Cultist Answer: "... which ones skin is the darkest..." No sarc tag, they'd actually say this

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 04:22 PM

54. and keep in mind there are people (including lots of children) everywhere

you have to be an expert shooter too

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:29 AM

11. Right, they were so tempting he drove 9 hours to kill those particular 'soft targets'.












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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:30 AM

12. Why does he have a platform?

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Response to SallyHemmings (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:42 AM

20. CNN decided they needed someone who could deliver the demented market niche.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:31 AM

14. Man on dog needs to STFU

eom

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:31 AM

15. here's a 5th recommendation

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:35 AM

16. He needs to be taken off the air

and relegated to wherever the Pat Buchanans of the world dwell.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:40 AM

18. So we're soft targets now

Not citizens out shopping or hanging out. We’re targets and is out fault for not being armed to teeth.

What the hell is that crap. We are not supposed to be living in some post apocalyptic hell scaoe where your survival is on the line because you went out.

That is a bankrupt policy and vision for this country. Of course we deserve to go any where unarmed and safe.

The good guy with a gun theory has been proven false but that misses the larger problem

People should be able to go out without the fear of being shot. Period.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:46 AM

22. Right Tick

 

Everyone has a gun. That way we can immediately solve, with finality, any fenderbender, or argument in a parking lot, at a bar, sporting event, family dinner etc.

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Response to elevator48 (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:48 AM

23. Fun for the entire family!

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Response to elevator48 (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:50 PM

40. Your typo fits Santorum perfectly!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:50 AM

24. stop paying CNN!

CNN will do anything for money -- false equivalencies and 'bothsiderism' started there. Stop feeding them.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:54 AM

25. One aspect of this shooting that I don't think is getting enough attention

is that it was the back to school tax-free weekend. I don't know if other states do this, but TX has done it for many years now and it's a big enough deal that I always make a note to stay out of the stores on that weekend. Almost every imaginable school supply and clothing is tax free and a lot of stores also run back to school sales. Many people wait for this weekend to do their back to school shopping. In the border towns, a lot of people come in from Mexico to take advantage of the sales. I would not be the least bit surprised if that is why the shooter picked that day and went to a Walmart in a border town with the goal of killing people from Mexico.

It hasn't been that long since a Republican party that claimed to be motivated chiefly by capitalism thought it was a good thing when people from other countries came to spend their money in the U.S.

ETA: The shooter might have deliberately targeted families shopping for school supplies much like the Trump administration's idea to separate children from their familes as a deterrent.



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Response to tanyev (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 04:23 PM

55. chilling

back to school means lots of kids

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Response to tanyev (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:10 PM

56. Mea culpa, I was wrong.

Tax-free weekend is this upcoming weekend. Everybody stay safe!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:00 AM

26. One of those murdered in El Paso was 2 years old so Rick should she be packing?

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:47 PM

36. This ...

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:03 AM

27. Rick Santorum is an idiot

That is all.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:19 AM

28. He belongs in hell.

Got so sick of him as our representive...

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:25 AM

29. Tempted?

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:36 AM

32. The whole argument of everyone being armed is totally stupid.

You can have a dozen weapons strapped to your body, but unless one of them is out and aimed in the direction of a shooter who hasn't appeared yet, you're dead meat. In addition, when faced with the prospect of killing another human being, there will be people who won't be able to pull the trigger. Having a gun super glued to your body 24/7 is just a false sense of security.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:38 AM

33. This was TEXAS! nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:43 PM

38. A tweeter yesterday wrote:

“If you can’t find a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy with the gun in a Texas Walmart, you need to bury that idea in the trash.”

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:40 AM

34. he has an excuse for everything,

like all assholes do.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:39 PM

37. That idiot glossed over the fact that the Dayton shooter shot up

a place that was well known to have a lot of armed cops walking around the sector. Yes, the Ohio shooter didn't kill as many people, but he also was not in a small space that had 2,000-3,000 people in it either.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:37 PM

45. If the cops hadn't gotten that guy when they did, he was only a step or two from getting ...

inside that bar. He could have added another hundred or so victims. The police got there and ended it quick.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #45)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:44 PM

47. True.

The point that I was making was that people being around who are trained to use guns did not stop the Dayton shooter from going there. Fortunately city officials and police officials had great foresight in this case and had regular detachments of officers covering the area, that did make the difference between 9 being dead and the new worst mass shooting in US history and likely word history. The cops that faced down that maniac had real guts, it takes that to face an assault weapon with a sidearm.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:46 PM

48. I support every word you posted on both posts.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:45 PM

39. I dare him to go down to El Paso and say that standing next to O'Rourke

 

I might pay a lot to witness the reaction he gets. I think it would be epic!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:53 PM

41. Seems like I recall there was a good guy with a gun (legally licensed to carry) who happened to be a


a Black man. As he was about to pull out his gun, he realized how foolish it would be for him to have a gun out with police trying to determine who was a perpetrator and who was a shopper. So he grabbed kids to rescue (whose parents were not close by), ran for cover and put the gun away. Common sense prevailed.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #41)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:55 PM

50. Remember what happened to the good Black guy with a gun in the Alabama

Mall shooting situation from a few months back? He got shot dead by responding police. Of course the officers lying about what happened after the fact made things worse, it is understandable that in the fog of such a situation anyone with a gun in their hands is a potential shooter.

Honestly, people should focus on pressuring their city officials to have adequate police presence at large gathering events or areas instead of strapping themselves up. If there is a shooting police will likely be trying to figure out a lot of things, someone running around with a gun in his or her hands could end up innocent and dead.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #41)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:04 PM

60. Yep. He had the brains and the sense to put the gun away. But that's

what happens when you have actual training, instead of shoot-em-ups at the town dump.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:54 PM

42. Tell that to Glen Oakley

The Fort Bliss Private First Class who is being hailed as a hero of the massacre was carrying a pistol. He pulled it when he heard gunshots...then he put it back in the holster and started saving children.

This has to be addressed with a Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann quote... “Santorum, did your parents have any children that lived?”

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:54 PM

43. 'tempting'? so they were to blame somehow?

sick rick.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:55 PM

44. "They were asking for it"

If they hadn't dressed in such a provocative manner - oops, wrong crime. But Santarum is going for the old blame-the-victim line of defense: if only they hadn't been alive in the first place the killer wouldn''t have had to shoot them.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:41 PM

46. Ricky proves once again that he is a douche.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:46 PM

49. What the hell do we need to hear from this guy for?

He's a nothing. I'd forgotten all about him. Apparently he thinks he's still relevant in some way.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 04:02 PM

51. Ah Ricky - go back to ... Virginia - or Pennsylvania or wherever it is that you are from.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #51)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:17 PM

59. No we won't let him back in Pennsylvania

He can go to West Virginia though.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 04:11 PM

52. So when he goes to buy lube

He's always packing??

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 04:15 PM

53. Ricky Sanctorectum, the Original Frothy Mix, Thinks He's Relevant. How Cute. n/t

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:14 PM

57. Even if I had a handgun on my person...

...I'm not suicidally idiotic enough to go up against someone with a rifle.

The only purpose of a handgun is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #57)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:52 PM

61. That is what amazed me in the Dayton videos - thoses cops were RUNNING towards full ...

automatic rifle fire carrying HANDGUNS. That took a lot of guts. No waiting around a corner to sky out the situation: running towards it.

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