It's becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry-Updated w-Do's & Don'ts

[kpete]

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It’s becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry. Many of them stopped getting paid at 3pm when their shift ended.

A plant employee is now trying to calm the crowd down. Says they will get paid because they are still here working. No one can leave until the motorcade is gone. Most have been standing since noon.

They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day. They also were told not to speak to the press. 😡

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

***UPDATED***
Here’s is the memo to the workers of the do’s and don’ts

Link to tweet

[Roland99]

1. And the supporters among them will still vote for him

They’ll never get it

[tblue37]

2. "They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day." How can this

be legal? nt

[fescuerescue]

28. Because it's not illegal.

That's not intended as a smart ass answer. Just a reality.

No law requires employers to provide work on a particular day. In this case no traditional work is being offered.

Since these folks are hourly, it's very legal to not pay for someone to not work. At the same time, its legal to offer work such as meeting attendance and pay them for it.

What I don;t understand is why the union leadership agreed to this.

[Cartaphelius]

31. As with the balance of your post

you are assuming the union was even informed.

And for "reality", you are hysterically uninformed as it
is a violation of many Federal Laws. Which the last I checked
is quite illegal for everyone except republicans... (not an assumption).

[fescuerescue]

35. According to the twitter feed

this was done worked out with the union leadership. Could be false info I suppose.

If it's indeed illegal, I look forward to court case. Should be a nice settlement for all those folks.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

32. The guidelines say it's an excused absence,

which sounds to me like they would get paid straight time for the shift they're not working. It does say that only those who attend the rally will get overtime on Friday. 8 hours of overtime can be a powerful incentive to attend the rally.

[Mc Mike]

36. We don't get paid if we don't work. In any trade.

What it is, is that they're working more than 8 daily, and the excused absence wipes out 8 hours of overtime pay (at time and a half.)

Then when it's time to reduce the site's workforce, there is no protection for the workers who didn't play along and show up.

[anarch]

58. it looks to me like they maybe got overtime pay for attending?

Not defending the company here, but it looks like their low-level management and union reps were doing the best they could...

Anyway, I'd imagine that's the only way fuckface and his cronies are going to get a room full of workers at this point...pay them time and a half to stand there.

[C_U_L8R]

3. That's an illicit campaign contribution

[Maru Kitteh]

11. BINGO. That's how this must be addressed, as a legal matter.

[Clarity2]

4. Nevermind the obvious

like the illegality of this - because the Plant owner will get something in return, but look at the crowd. I dont see any obvious maga hats, so Im guessing there are no supporters there. They just couldnt afford to lose a days pay.

[lunasun]

5. +1 I agree and have no judgement . They also could be singled out later by managers if they

stayed home plus the pay loss today

Ugly of the owner & company
frack them

[Clarity2]

7. Its almost become like Russia

The oligarchs at the mercy of Putin. Corporate America at the whim of Trump. Have to wonder how much of it is also willingly or some kind of blackmail. If the president requests something like this, do you say no then worry he will take you down somehow??

I cant believe we’ve gotten to this point. And the media never talks about it.

[True Blue American]

64. And they get offended

If we compare to Hitler or Mussolini. They did not start big. It was gradual, took many years

Kashoggi and Epstein are prime examples. Children in cages, Children moved in the middle of the night. ICE raids, fear, families turning on each other.

[Clarity2]

66. Which reminds me

Where are those girls!!??

[uponit7771]

12. +1

[renate]

20. It was noticeable how unenthusiastic they were

Hopefully this paid-crowd stunt backfired.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

6. So instead of paying people to attend his BS rallies,

he's kidnapping them. This is ILLEGAL.

For people who couldn't afford to lose a day's pay, this is worse than blackmail.

2020 cannot come soon enough.

[Ilsa]

8. What plant is this?

I'm trying to stay off twitter, and I don't know where MF45 was campaigning today.

[NotASurfer]

10. Looks like it was western PA

Workers in same brightly colored shirts as the pictures online.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1999506001

Monaca, Beaver County area.

Wonder who Chris Fannin - name on the list of instructions to whom issues were to be reported - is? If that's an actual document. I'd have thought it a fake a few years ago based on tone and conveniently fitting the narrative. Today...sadly if it fits the narrative it's usually real, now. Or so it seems.

[DeminPennswoods]

18. They were union workers and the union put out an information sheet

of what would happen and how members were expected to behave. However, attendence was not mandatory, but attendees did get paid for their regular hours. There is really nothing nefarious here. The note about the steel-toed boots was included because attendees would be going through metal detectors and the steel-toed boots would set those off.

[hatrack]

15. Shell plastics plant (still under construction, hence the safety vests)

.

[DeminPennswoods]

17. Shell ethane cracker plant near Monaca, Pa

It's been in the works for years and is in max build out right now.

[Girard442]

9. No lunch provided. Can't bring one. Have to stand motionless for hours.

Were there even any bathrooms?

[uponit7771]

13. K&R, "... those who are NOT in attendance will not receive overtime on Friday"

[Mc Mike]

14. The whole thing was purposeful. Shows that he'll come into Labor territory,

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and jerk all those tough construction workers' chains, threatening their paycheck. Make them stand in full sleeve high vis osha mandated stuff, for hours crowded together. Obviously they'd be arrested by ss or cops supporting ss if they said, 'screw this, I'm leaving'.

Our taxdollars, and theirs, are paying for that Shell plant 'investment'.

[Bettie]

16. So, they have to go if they want to get paid

to be props...working people. The very people who Trump never, ever pays for their work.

[Hotler]

19. Why would the union agree to this?

"The underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the labor unions" Fuck that BS, since when has management and repugs shown good will towards labor unions.

[Hekate]

25. Major arm-twisting, and a last shred of hope that Trump will not go ballistic & punish them

Right?

[xmas74]

50. Contract negotiations?

Back scratch moment to be brought up at the negotiation table.

[Bluesaph]

21. My husband is union

And he’s always complaining about how his uneducated union brothers are being duped and brainwashed by Trump and Republicons.

[True Blue American]

29. Voting against

Their best interests. Members destroyed their own Unions by voting Republican.

Stupid.

[ooky]

22. Looks like a lot of trouble just to watch a jackass braying.

[PandoraAwakened]

23. LOL! Good one! n/t

[Hekate]

24. That's how I thought it would be, only worse. Stand for hours? No lunch?

I'm sure the diabetics among them were so impressed.

Someone here said yesterday that they were free to leave and should have left. I hope they are reading this instruction sheet today.

[Doreen]

33. I hope if they pass they will still get paid.

[Mc Mike]

37. It's a huge site, they were bussed to the location prepped for twitler.

Then they had to deal with cops and ss. If they had been free to leave after shitler's 3+ hours late speech, they wouldn't have been trapped in the makeshift venue after 5 pm, all standing there facing the exit.

[TEB]

26. I'd stay home then file grievance for pay

Wasn’t my problem the idiot showed up and ruined work day.

[fescuerescue]

27. I'm surprised that Union agreed to do this.

What were they thinking?

[True Blue American]

30. Weak Unions, they cave.

[Mc Mike]

38. IBEW 712, who's jurisdiction this is for electricians, is a tough union.

They gave us our last International President, Ed Hill, who was a dynamo of anti repuglican activism. Close ally of Rich Trumka.

[True Blue American]

39. As a life long supporter of Unions

They should not have allowed them to be forced to stand for so long, no breaks and no lunch. Not to mention threatening their pay.

And I still pay union dues voluntarily, not coerced. I owe them my life long living, and my Son was an official in his professional Union.

Republicans have weakened Unions so bad and that is sad.

[Mc Mike]

40. There are some people in leadership positions who shouldn't be,

but around here the constant contract concessions are caused by conditions not controlled by the unions.

[True Blue American]

42. I know that.

To blame Unions for the bad things instead of where the fault really lies. Spent too many years watching this happen.

And I did not blame Unions. They have protected the worker.. I remember the strikes to get workers decent benefits, watched the next generation pee it away by voting Republican.

[Mc Mike]

44. We definitely have too many dummies who think they're in the ownership class.

They're legally allowed to back whatever party they want to, but they're jacking us up.

[True Blue American]

45. Whining about paying Union dues.

They have no idea of how hard their Fathers fought for benefits that forced other companies to pay decent wages and benefits.

[Mc Mike]

46. Some of the CIO trades are more young and hungry, eye of the tiger types.

AFSCME, SEIU, turn a lot of good activist rank and filers out regularly.

[True Blue American]

47. Now, but they hurt the Unions over the years and Politicians used every trick they had

To make Unions fail.

Now, they know Unions are badly needed, but the hate Unions is still there as it has been for 40 years.

[Mc Mike]

48. Maybe a miscommunication here.

I was talking about the later organized trades from the Congress of Industrial Orgs part of the AFL-CIO.

[True Blue American]

49. I was talking

About Unions as they used to be, and what has happened to many of them. How they have been weakened by their own members voting for Politicians, bad trade laws that affected them.

Similar to what I heard in Church a few weeks ago.” Members are their worst enemies.”

[Mc Mike]

52. It's been all give backs and concessions in labor-management negotiations, since the raygun '80s.

[True Blue American]

53. Controllers Union!

I heard it from member after member. The beginning of the demise of the Unions.

Sherrod Brown talked to Trump. Trump asked him what he could do to help. Sherrod told him the first thing was to get rid of the 50% tax break companies get for moving overseas,.

Sherrod is the most loyal Union backer in the Senate. He dumped DeWine out of the Senate. Now DeWine manged to get elected Governor with the help of law suit ,gerrymander, moving polls and knocking people off the voting list Husted.

I wish Sherrod would run against him again!

[Mc Mike]

55. Sen. Brown is great.

We only got ~ 30 years of postwar prosperity, after we were pretty much the only economic power with an infrastructure still standing when we 'won' wwII. The big money people started squeezing, during Nixon, Ford, Carter, and set us up for the coup de gras under raygun.

[True Blue American]

56. You hit the nail

Right on the head. The rise and fall of the middle class.

[Mc Mike]

57. Marshall Plan and other programs like it were necessary, but

what they resulted in, was US taxpayers subsidizing the building of fixed capital infrastructure in our former opponents' nations, which could compete very favorably against our pre-wwII plants' technology. The big money creeps in this country were the nominal 'investors' in those foreign industries, which is why US steel production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean steel, and US auto production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean auto industries. Same for manufacturing, textiles, widget factories, etc.

US industrial owners regarded the US unions as getting too sassy for their own good, so they forced the taxpaying union members to subsidize the foreign competition, then started shutting down our 'losing' domestic industries' production. We could get jobs joining the military to occupy our former 'enemies' instead, though. Which just helped make sure there was no job for us back in the US after we completed military service.

[True Blue American]

60. Again 100%!

It is nice to find someone that sees clearly what has taken place over the years.

[Mc Mike]

61. Funny how the ownership class here always demagogues and points to the 'evil foreigner'

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as 'the enemy'.

Germany, Japan, Korea should have their own steel production, auto production, textiles, etc. Their workers do what is needed to produce, and should get a decent living from it.

The macroeconomic 'realities' that have been fetishised as 'organically occurring' and 'acting independently' are just ownership's way of saying that the same can't be said for American workers. While they're screaming, bellowing, murder mouthing evil foreigners who patriotic American workers 'should hate' for 'cheating America'.

Shitler was just showing hundreds of workers in a cage, waiting to get out. That's his 'stick it in your ass' statement to labor, here. Exactly like the ICE detention facilities. Most of those people are workers, too.

[True Blue American]

62. Trump has been counting

On the ingrained anger of workers over the years who criticized their own Unions, voted Republican.the very ones who destroyed the Unions. Clinton made a bad mistake by signing HW Bush’s NAFTA. From that point on they found a common hate.

Meanwhile laws have been passed, making it easy for Corporations to move, or threaten, making it a tool to cut wages.

My Son sat in on many of those negotiations so I have heard it all.

Trump is doing what many of them complained about over the years, but has no idea of what he is doing. His tariffs are all over the place, hitting farmers,workers.

With the deficit exploding again we are heading for another Republican recession.

[Mc Mike]

63. The dirtbag populist hard far right, with Buchanan, Perot, and tRumpf,

pretend that we have to walk a narrow tightrope between protectionist isolationist tariffs and complete free trade with super mobile international capital.

The way is in fact broad and wide, not a tightrope.

Watching those 2 fake extremist caricature sides debate is like watching 2 'opposing' guests on the Morton Downey show, or like watching Linda McMahon's pro wrestling.

[Mc Mike]

41. I'm with you all the way, on the rest of the substance of your post.

[Doreen]

34. Unfortunately some unions are in bed with those

Who they are supposed to be protecting the workers from.

[True Blue American]

43. That is a Republican talking point.

[Sanity Claws]

51. If the company is paying the workers to attend this rally,

isn't this a campaign contribution? Doesn't it exceed the maximum contribution allowed under law?

[True Blue American]

54. Yes, should be.

Before Trump and Barr.

[anarch]

59. basically, yes

But there is no law anymore, so what's anybody going to do?

[spinbaby]

65. Wasn't there a similar incident at a coal mine in this area?

The details escape me, but I seem to remember Trump appearing at a western PA coal mine where miners were told they wouldn’t get paid unless they attended the event.