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This was posted on CNN on June 28Jimmy Carter suggests Trump is an illegitimate president
Washington (CNN)Former President Jimmy Carter suggested Friday that a full investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election would show that Donald Trump didn't win the presidency.
"There's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf," Carter said at the Carter Center's retreat in Leesburg, Virginia.
Asked if he believes Trump is an illegitimate president, Carter paused for a moment.
"Based on what I just said, which I can't retract," Carter said to audience laughter.
Special counsel Robert Mueller's report found that Russia waged a "sweeping and systematic" influence campaign during the 2016 election with the goal of electing Trump, but did not establish a conspiracy between Trump's campaign and Moscow.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/jimmy-carter-trump-russia-interference/index.html
spanone
(135,844 posts)Blecht
(3,803 posts)Thanks for bringing it up again. Jimmy Carter is an American treasure.
triron
(22,007 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,637 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Rec
Iwasthere
(3,168 posts)I am so tired of hearing, "but he IS your president". BS! He is not, he IS illegitimate, period!
lark
(23,105 posts)They think I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist and push against me every time I say anything about Russia stealing our elections. They say, Oh, Hillary - or too many people stayed home- or even mention voter suppression but they absolutely refuse to believe that the election was stolen for it's favored tool by a hostile foreign nation. They say there's no proof. I say the victors' write history and there has been no real investigation ever of voting discrepancies or voter database intrusions and changes. If they got into the database, why would they do that and do nothing there? Doesn't make sense to me.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)he's nothing but a sick con criminal.
thegoose
(3,115 posts)I will never accept that orange blob of shit.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)"Based on what I just said, which I can't retract," Carter said to audience laughter.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)brer cat
(24,577 posts)Don't we all?
K&R
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)I say it daily but who would listen to me?
NBachers
(17,120 posts)mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)bdamomma
(63,875 posts)we are very up on the facts, thanks Grammy. Agree with you all the way.
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)Well, he's a punk compared to almost anyone actually.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I'm sure it's coming.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The Orange Dotard cannot stand any criticism.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Glad a past REAL PRESIDENT has said it though.
triron
(22,007 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)No excuse though.
sweetroxie
(776 posts)nt
czarjak
(11,278 posts)when you're declared the winner, makes you illegitimate from the get-go.
They_Live
(3,236 posts)by announcing it!
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)sandensea
(21,639 posts)He can't say it in so many words (not yet, anyway) - but he knows.
triron
(22,007 posts)American public has to be kept in the dark.
sandensea
(21,639 posts)Putin and Bibi can't believe their lucky stars.
"Can you believe it, Vlad? We switch their votes, and they'd rather pretend it never happened than do anything!"
"What a country!"
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)in Russia throw out Putin's ass.
coti
(4,612 posts)Carter could tell us a thing or two about all this, I'm sure.
But like the October Surprise inflicted against him (and the hostages), he knows what happened - but also knows he can't say anything.
Not good for "national security" (read: security for GOPee bigwigs).
triron
(22,007 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Republicans cheated by voter suppression in those states.
We KNOW that. There is PROOF.
Lets just stick to that for now.
If other things come out that show Republicans stole the election a different way, we can talk about that then.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)RepubliCONS have accepted economic support from Russian factories controlled by Putin throughout our country. They have accepted advertisement support from Putin as in Facebook and Twitter. They have accepted Russian provided dirt and stolen information on their opponents. All Russian sanctions are being ignored so Russia can come right back and do it all again. Trump and Moscow Mitch have actively blocked all voter security measures.
RepubliCONS Do NOT deserve the benefit of a doubt. They show no indications they did NOT collude with Russia to rig vote counts. We are just assuming they didn't rig vote counts, like we are assuming RepubliCONS are patriotic and want to support democracy. Until Wikileaks released Hillary's campaign info, there was no indication Russian spies had hacked her campaign computers either. There was no indication Wikileaks was in collusion with Putin.
The US is being attacked by a foreign power and people are shrugging their shoulders saying we can't definitely prove Russia dropped those bombs falling all around us.
You can't prove anything with absolute certainty. In a battle you can always wait for more info to act, and waiting gives your enemy the advantage. So, you have to decide when do you have enough info to act in the battle. And it is never absolutely clear info. This is a war not a calmly legislated legal trial. Waiting gives your enemy the advantage.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)That is enough to act as you say.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)triron
(22,007 posts)Pre-election polling and exit polling both point to this as well.
I will bet Carter knows about this.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Perhaps add an additional 50-100 EC votes that would go to the person that wins the popular vote nationwide.
brush
(53,788 posts)During that same speech on Thursday, July 19, Madison instead proposed a prototype for the same Electoral College system the country uses today.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/electoral-college-slavery-constitution
But that's a heavy lift. I was thinking of an easier path to fix the current situation in perhaps a more expeditious way.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and this means something coming from him.
I don't know if he feels he knows something more now, though, but for a man long retired he hasn't exactly been assertive and out front on what he thinks happened 3 years ago. Was his first concern continuation of the peaceful transition of power we must have?
Blue Owl
(50,426 posts)SING IT!
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Whar if Joe Biden chose Obama as his VP? Think they would win after this 3 year catastrophe?
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)With it.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)They do not live in the same state?
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)To chalk it up to white privilege with a big dash of wealthy class bias in our current politics.
Moral Compass
(1,521 posts)That a former president would say this is startling.
It is absolutely true, but Carter has stayed away from direct statements like this prior to now. Looks like Trumps repulsive behavior pushed him over the edge.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)...I don't like anything that puts those that did vote for the orange blob off the hook. And there were still way too many who did.