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coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:46 PM Aug 2012

I AM worse off than I was four years ago. I have

Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:17 AM - Edit history (1)

been unemployed now for almost two years.

The Unemployment Insurance extension was cut off abruptly in early May when California no longer qualified for Fed-Ed extension.

Have run through all my liquid savings and am now liquidating my IRAs to make mortgage and payments.

So do me a favor and stop trumpeting how much better off YOU are now.

Geesh.

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I AM worse off than I was four years ago. I have (Original Post) coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 OP
I'm sorry... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #1
The unemployment rate in Calfiornia is 10.7% as of July. And this coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #2
I don't think anyone meant to brag or rub salt in wounds. Incitatus Aug 2012 #7
And there is plenty of help out there from the government if you aren't too anti-government to take nanabugg Aug 2012 #198
Sorry but some of us ARE better off! geesh (to quote you) n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #13
buh-bye -n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #15
"This jerk Sparkly" Sparkly Aug 2012 #16
Buh-bye - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #17
Bye, honey. I hope things turn around for you. Sparkly Aug 2012 #18
+1 Scuba Aug 2012 #45
Back in 1999, I used to hate it when pundits talked about how great the economy was hfojvt Aug 2012 #96
+ 2 JustAnotherGen Aug 2012 #152
Can't handle the heat stay outa the kitchen madokie Aug 2012 #117
Bwa-ha-ha. 'Against DU Rule Bingo' is more like it, since coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #131
I personally don't care how you vote or what you base that vote on madokie Aug 2012 #149
Peoples perceptions of the economy determine presidential elections. Mimosa Aug 2012 #195
you would help your case immensely and garner more understanding CatWoman Aug 2012 #208
I'm rubber, you're glue - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #218
I'm very glad your daughter was able to get healthcare coverage. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #43
I Understand goodword Aug 2012 #62
Respectfully, I don't think that anyone knows what the ACTUAL unemployment numbers are. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #87
Understood and agreed. The 10.7% is the so-called U3 rate, IIRC, which coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #163
sorry for your situation, but who is saying that? /nt still_one Aug 2012 #3
Here's the link to the thread that got my dander up: coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #23
Thanks for the link. There are a lot of people hurting, and that is a fact. Just don't let the still_one Aug 2012 #26
Thanks for the link, so I could go rec that thread...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #67
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #86
Par for the course with that one. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #122
Agree 100%. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #180
It's the OP who's calling out and shitting on the poster of the other thread... SidDithers Aug 2012 #141
many people feel compelled to predicate their actions on those of others LanternWaste Aug 2012 #154
Wow. hifiguy Aug 2012 #140
And the OP? How about them? Are they not a "piece of work"?... SidDithers Aug 2012 #142
If DU 'sucks' why are you here all the time? Mimosa Aug 2012 #197
I guess I didn't realize that when you're on a lifeboat... SidDithers Aug 2012 #207
Thanks for reminding me to rec this thread. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #196
What a surprise...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #209
... sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #211
Yer doin' it wrong...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #212
Lol! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #214
I'm sorry, too. gateley Aug 2012 #4
Which candidate do you think gives you a chance at a better future? Incitatus Aug 2012 #5
I'm not angry or frustrated enough not to recognize that when the choice is coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #24
Obama a rightist? Buh-bye. Jeeez... dmallind Aug 2012 #85
Neither goodword Aug 2012 #63
And Mitt Romney blames President Obama for that. sadbear Aug 2012 #6
Are you kidding me? Romney is a piece of shit (no offense to coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #27
I'm sorry liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #8
You know, I'm almost 100% sure that were it not for Occupy, the center-rightist Obama would still coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #28
I actually would not be against compromise if liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #36
He'll wait until after the election to continue with his push for 'austerity'. Wait for it. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #48
100% right. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #104
Kind of how DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #53
No; kind of like how kissing a Saudi sheik stiffened Dubya. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #55
purile game? DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #79
Sorry, we are too because of out of pocket health care expenses n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2012 #9
I know that feeling liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #10
Unfortunately we'll never be paid up ... slipslidingaway Aug 2012 #32
i know exactly how you feel madrchsod Aug 2012 #11
>I don't understand, and any insight that you can provide would be appreciated. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #108
+1 AnotherMcIntosh, that's THE question. Mimosa Aug 2012 #199
YMMV. Sorry you're having a hard time of it, but you know everyone has a right to their OWN story. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #12
The reason some of us are saying that is because the repugs keep blaming Obama. jillan Aug 2012 #14
Thank you. That thread seemed so smug and self-congratulatory that I didn't coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #31
So after reading down this thread, I'm left to ask the question that always need to be asked... Skidmore Aug 2012 #44
Oh, I'm all too aware of the Do-Nothing Congress of 2010 that campaigned on coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #92
Perhaps you should have marked it as satire then and linked to the other thread. Skidmore Aug 2012 #112
It was not intended as satire, although I probably should have coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #138
I read that less as self-congratulatory, and more as a collective congratulation... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #169
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Aug 2012 #19
Wow, I wish I could get your perspective and keep it. I just have coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Aug 2012 #40
supernummerary hfojvt Aug 2012 #111
I am going to college on student loans... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #20
you're exactly right liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #21
Sorry to hear about that grantcart Aug 2012 #22
I didn't mean to offend you. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #25
+1 and thank you for saying so. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #29
I didn't realize how fucking angry I was at that smug, self-congratulatory coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #33
Somebody had to say something. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #35
I am exactly the same as you rl6214 Aug 2012 #30
I hope things turn around for you and for me soon. I know they won't with coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #34
It's becoming increasingly difficult for me rl6214 Aug 2012 #118
What are you doing to remedy that situation? Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #38
I have resumes built around four different skill sets, so coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #39
I wonder if he's tried bending over and simply pulling himself up by his bootstraps? Romulox Aug 2012 #83
Looks like that is exactly what he's doing. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #124
"Progressives" used to be ashamed of scolding the poor and the downtrodden. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #155
They also never pretended to be helpless. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #167
"They". Telling phrasing! Progressives are "they" and "them" to you. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #168
What exactly is your problem? Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #181
I have every right to challenge hateful views here. I don't care if that's a problem for *you*. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #182
Wow. Please seek help. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #183
Nonsense. I read your posts, and disagreed strongly. That's what this board is for. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #184
No, you responded with exaggerations, grossly inflated hyperbole, and outright fabrications. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #185
I responded with rhetoric intended to neutralize YOUR rhetoric. Welcome to the internet. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #186
You responded in an irrational manner. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #188
Nonsense. I responded in a manner that made you uncomfortable. That means it worked. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #189
Caught that too. Mimosa Aug 2012 #201
Well, those days are gone obviously. Now it's hard to find any compassion for those less sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #200
I know many are hurting... dennis4868 Aug 2012 #41
I'm happy for your success and appreciate your lack of coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #42
Putting all this into a broader context-- eridani Aug 2012 #46
"Bright-sided"- somehow I missed that. bananas Aug 2012 #95
Thanks for the bibliographic rec. I'll be requesting the book from coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #101
^ This should be topic! ^ Mimosa Aug 2012 #202
Maybe... jayjayusa Aug 2012 #47
Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Aug 2012 #49
Oh, THAT was helpful. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #50
Well... it is good advice, all of it. Quantess Aug 2012 #59
x2 n/t AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #114
Is that you, Gina Rinehart? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #56
And Who ARE Those People goodword Aug 2012 #61
Hi Mr. Ryan gollygee Aug 2012 #66
Hahaha treestar Aug 2012 #71
Oh, YOU'RE going to last long, I can tell. HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #69
+a zillion! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #219
What a disgusting thing to say. I look forward to seeing your transparency page updated. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #81
Hah! My devilish scheme to update and fine tune my Ignore coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #94
...says the guy posting on the internet. WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #129
Is that you, Paul Ryan? Alduin Aug 2012 #174
Maybe you should have waited to learn more about longtime DUers, sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #206
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Aug 2012 #51
Sorry to hear your situation liberal N proud Aug 2012 #52
Here's a bit of hope for you. xmas74 Aug 2012 #54
Glad to hear of your good fortune and hoping my experience has coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #103
you might have to do so. xmas74 Aug 2012 #204
I'm so sorry for what you're going through magical thyme Aug 2012 #57
Thank you and I'm really sorry to hear about what you've been going through. It's the coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #105
Been Here....Twice goodword Aug 2012 #58
Grammar Nazi here: I don't think we have 'literally' been coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #106
Here's an original song to cheer you up: Quantess Aug 2012 #60
That's pretty cold to someone who's having a hard time.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #78
I suppose. Quantess Aug 2012 #123
I don't find pissing on someone who is down and hurting to be comical.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #127
I have not had a middle class income for several years now. Quantess Aug 2012 #134
I'm marginally better off no than 4 years ago, but nothing to dance a jig about deutsey Aug 2012 #64
It's a sad thing when people are thrilled their adult kids can rely on their health insurance. dkf Aug 2012 #65
Yes indeed. 99Forever Aug 2012 #75
Nailed it. 27 year olds don't need healthcare, donchaknow? Nor to 26 year olds whose parents are Romulox Aug 2012 #82
Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #128
I think you raise a valid point: we are the party of reality IdaBriggs Aug 2012 #68
As I read through the responses to my OP, I'm struck by the idea coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #110
Sorry for your troubles, but Sparkly posted that thread in support of the president. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #70
No! A thousand times no! On DU only endless eternal doom and rat-stew predictions are welcome. nt dmallind Aug 2012 #89
I'm not personally better off treestar Aug 2012 #72
I think anyone over 50... AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #73
Thanks. As I noted earlier upthread, I am struck by how many have lost coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #115
I wish Health Care Reform had gone farther revolution breeze Aug 2012 #74
Sorry for you, but at least you have some IRAs to liquidate. Some folks blew theirs with ENRON. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #76
thank you Enrique Aug 2012 #77
Have You Thought About Volunteering? Yavin4 Aug 2012 #80
he has been unemployed for about two years Enrique Aug 2012 #88
I was Unemployed for Two Years from 2008 to 2010, and I volunteered. Yavin4 Aug 2012 #91
same here, same time period Enrique Aug 2012 #93
I also got a job through volunteering. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #100
Good idea. I've volunteered in the past (with a Literacy\Tutoring coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #121
I'm with you... SomethingFishy Aug 2012 #84
Yeah, I must confess that a couple of the responses from coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #125
Yeah, I know enough people who are worse off that I think the question isn't the best one for Brickbat Aug 2012 #90
Seriously, framing the debate as "Are you better or worse off than coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #126
Under Republicans the economy would have kept on plummeting. Festivito Aug 2012 #97
Some people should take the time to read the entire thread before coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #99
Read it, fine. Wisdom was mine. Made a mistake: No pearls before swine. Festivito Aug 2012 #137
Well, aren't you just the ass-onant one today - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #139
Oo, oo, oo, Mr. Co-a-ter. That almost said sump'n impotant. /nt Festivito Aug 2012 #145
I'm sorry for your situation, truly, but I won't refuse to be glad for mine. nolabear Aug 2012 #98
I'm better off than I was 4 yrs ago, but way worse off than I was 3 yrs ago. Zorra Aug 2012 #102
I am so sorry! abelenkpe Aug 2012 #107
sorry for your troubles larkrake Aug 2012 #109
I'm sorry for your situation Bettie Aug 2012 #113
Sorry to hear that. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #116
Let me put this bluntly: I think your op is mean spirited and selfish. cali Aug 2012 #119
here, let me do it for you: buh bye cali Aug 2012 #120
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #136
Well, there are 33 recs for this 'nasty op' right now, so maybe I'm coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #135
Honey... renie408 Aug 2012 #159
Abso-fucking-lutely... SidDithers Aug 2012 #143
+10000 renie408 Aug 2012 #156
Im all for free speach, but i cant believe the DU is allowing threads who diss our pressie darkangel218 Aug 2012 #130
yes..much better to lie???? the truth is good enough, always xiamiam Aug 2012 #146
Another bootstrapper. And one who is concerned for "our pressie" (sic). Romulox Aug 2012 #176
And right there is the whole problem with our political system. One team adores their sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #213
Do You Still Have Your Health? The River Aug 2012 #132
I'm not sure how to respond. I clearly know that there are people far worse off coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #144
Thank You The River Aug 2012 #147
Thank you for your good wishes and I'm sending mine back to you for coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #148
Unbelievable. It's ok that you're hopeless and poor--because I'm old! nt Romulox Aug 2012 #177
I hear you. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2012 #133
^ +1 ^ n/t Mimosa Aug 2012 #205
I feel your pain. I am no better off either. I can not get work.. mvd Aug 2012 #150
Careful or you'll be accused of being an 'other asshole' who is coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #162
I just found out last week that I'm going to be unemployed for the second time this year Hydra Aug 2012 #151
Thanks for that. Between your post and the posts accusing me coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #160
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #153
+1... SidDithers Aug 2012 #157
+1 ceile Aug 2012 #164
some people live in a bubble of privilege and so its quinnox Aug 2012 #158
Thank you. It breaks my heart to have to choose between keeping coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #161
Sorry for your troubles, but you don't have the right to dictate other people's posts. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #165
You're right, but I don't think I was dictating anyone's post, merely coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #170
Way to shit on a fellow DUer. ceile Aug 2012 #166
Rolls/Royce & Rove(R)'s sole plan is to divide US Amonester Aug 2012 #171
Let's see. I've been called 'selfish,' 'smug, 'mean-spirited, a 'whiner,' an 'other asshole,' and coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #173
That person has as much right to celebrate their situation as you do to lament yours. stevenleser Aug 2012 #172
Oh, no question that Obama and the Dems will be better for coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #175
Are you 'jealous' of them being better off and celebrating? Amonester Aug 2012 #179
Yeah, in retrospect, I probably should have simply trashed the thread. And coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #191
This is one of the grossest threads I've ever read on DU. I really am having a hard time believing Romulox Aug 2012 #178
Shocking, isn't it? Hydra Aug 2012 #187
I've been campaigning and volunteering for Dems since coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #190
oh please. hateful? I find the op mean spirited. cali Aug 2012 #192
I thought you had bid this thread (and\or me) adieu a long time ago, but coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #217
The OP got the ball rolling in that respect...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #210
It is certainly a revealing thread. What it says to me is that there are now Democrats sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #215
Sorry about the troubles. Solution to 'bad' speech is more speech not censoring / calls to "stop it" Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #193
Coalition_unwilling, my heart goes out to you Mimosa Aug 2012 #194
. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #203
Sorry to hear your situation Billy888 Aug 2012 #216
 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
2. The unemployment rate in Calfiornia is 10.7% as of July. And this
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:49 PM
Aug 2012

jerk Sparkly has the gall to start this thread about how she's better off.

I swear to God.

Edited to correct gender.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
7. I don't think anyone meant to brag or rub salt in wounds.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:54 PM
Aug 2012

They are making the point that things are getting better than if the Bush ways had continued.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
198. And there is plenty of help out there from the government if you aren't too anti-government to take
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:50 PM
Aug 2012

it. Help for mortgages too.

Sparkly

(24,116 posts)
16. "This jerk Sparkly"
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:07 AM
Aug 2012

... is a "she," first of all.

I was responding to the common claim that NObody is better off now than 4 years ago. Some things ARE better for some people as a result of President Obama's policies.

As I said, my daughter has healthcare because of the reforms he passed, and the auto industry is still alive.

Very sorry if refuting the notion that NObody is better off is pissing in your Cheerios.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
96. Back in 1999, I used to hate it when pundits talked about how great the economy was
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:30 AM
Aug 2012

Oh, they said, America is prosperous. We are all rich.

And there I was working a temp job for my 2nd year, and unable to find a non-temp job.

Now, it seems the pundits want to go in the other direction. Oh, everybody is hurting "in this economy". Except that I am not. I still have my job. In fact, I got promoted last November. For people who still have their jobs - which is a lot of people, and people who are retired - another big group of people, this is not such a bad economy - well, except for the big jump in food prices and gas prices.

But your thread also said "AND I bought an American car".

Well, I am NOT doing so well that I feel I can afford a new car. My own American car is 19 years old, and approaching 100,000 miles.

Your daughter's healthcare was not the only thing you mentioned. An expensive luxury was included too.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
117. Can't handle the heat stay outa the kitchen
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:14 AM
Aug 2012

anyone knows that. Calling out a DU'r is against the rules

Sorry you're having it so bad. You can blame the pukies for that not Obama or the dems, they're trying to make things better but the pukes keep shooting them down on first one thing then the other. Its not a fellow DU'r that causes your pain, direct your anger accordingly

Peace

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
131. Bwa-ha-ha. 'Against DU Rule Bingo' is more like it, since
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:49 AM
Aug 2012

everyone knows that DU's "rules" are more honored in the breach than in the observance.

Do you really intend for voters to decide this election based on whether they are better or worse off than they were four years ago???? Do you really want me to vote based on that criterion????

madokie

(51,076 posts)
149. I personally don't care how you vote or what you base that vote on
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:22 PM
Aug 2012

and don't really care to hear all the whining either. If you really want to know the truth that is.
I could come here and whine every single day but guess what I'm not a whiner nor do I read into what someone posts more than they actually type as you seem to have done here with me. Take your rage somewhere else, I'm not interested.

Again Peace

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
195. Peoples perceptions of the economy determine presidential elections.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:41 PM
Aug 2012

Carville was right. I've seen it all my life.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
43. I'm very glad your daughter was able to get healthcare coverage.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 03:56 AM
Aug 2012

As the mother of 2, I know just how much that means.

I'm also sorry you are being called out over your post expressing gratitude for that coverage. That kind of mean-spirited dick move used to be against DU rules.

goodword

(44 posts)
62. I Understand
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:00 AM
Aug 2012

2012 has been a much better year for my family than 2011 was. And I'll be honest. I'm doing better now than I was when Bush was president. Like they say, if you have a job it's a recession. If you don't have a job it's a depression. But there are still people struggling and it's hard for them to see anything good when they're losing everything.

I don't think I will ever feel comfortable enough again to let my guard down and put myself in large debt or take chances with my money because I don't trust the economy or those who manipulate it.

There are still a lot of people who need healthcare and for them it hasn't come to pass yet. If Romney's elected, his first order of business will be to repeal the healthcare act so that will be gone. So will many other things that would and could make life better for many of us. Unfortunately, I'm fully expecting him to win. We might as well prepare for the worst. We can always be pleasantly surprised if he loses. I just want to be as secure as I can just in case because I know if he becomes president it's going to a long, tough road for a lot of us.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
87. Respectfully, I don't think that anyone knows what the ACTUAL unemployment numbers are.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:08 AM
Aug 2012

The official governmental figures are bogus.

There are, of course, people who already suspect and know that. The use of 10.7% by governmental officials gives a false impression of mathematical certainty to an unemployment number which, although unknown, is much greater than that.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
163. Understood and agreed. The 10.7% is the so-called U3 rate, IIRC, which
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:01 PM
Aug 2012

uses a pretty strict definition of who is and is not in the labor force to measure unemployment. A more expansive definition of unemployment might put the CA rate at closer to 20%, I read somewhere. And in parts of Los Angeles like Watts, the unemployment rate is above 40%.

still_one

(91,459 posts)
26. Thanks for the link. There are a lot of people hurting, and that is a fact. Just don't let the
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:39 AM
Aug 2012

bastards get you down.

Response to SidDithers (Reply #67)

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
141. It's the OP who's calling out and shitting on the poster of the other thread...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:21 AM
Aug 2012

but I don't see you castigating them.

Sparkly posts an innocuous "I'm doing better" thread, and the OP feels the need to start a new thread calling out "this jerk Sparkly".

But I'm the "sad little man".

Sid

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
154. many people feel compelled to predicate their actions on those of others
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:29 PM
Aug 2012

I imagine many people feel compelled to predicate their actions on those of others; and although it lacks both independence and imagination, I suppose the "they did it first" routine is as old as written history...

I am however, somewhat bemused by the new twist put on it-- "you called me out but not them!!!!" as though calling a person out is also predicated on the actions of others.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
142. And the OP? How about them? Are they not a "piece of work"?...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:25 AM
Aug 2012

or are they allowed to be rude, starting a new thread calling out "this jerk Sparkly", simply because of their current situation? This whole thread is the type of thing that makes DU suck. I show my contempt for threads like this in my own way.

I welcome your derision. I wear it with pride.

Sid

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
197. If DU 'sucks' why are you here all the time?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:48 PM
Aug 2012

I guess you don't know what it's like to feel like your on a lifeboat which is leaking, no help in sight.

Many DO!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
207. I guess I didn't realize that when you're on a lifeboat...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:33 PM
Aug 2012

and things aren't going well, it's appropriate to make yourself feel better by shitting on someone who's happy that their daughter has health coverage.



Sid

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
214. Lol!
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:10 PM
Aug 2012

It takes practice to post comments with no substance, and a lot of experience. I admit to being an amateur. I always appreciate tips from experts though!

gateley

(62,683 posts)
4. I'm sorry, too.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:50 PM
Aug 2012


And you're not alone -- I'm just marginally better off, but I never know how long I can hang on.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
5. Which candidate do you think gives you a chance at a better future?
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:52 PM
Aug 2012

Obviously, not everyone is better off today. It's where we have gone and where we go from here that matters.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
24. I'm not angry or frustrated enough not to recognize that when the choice is
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:37 AM
Aug 2012

between a center-rightist (Obama) and an out-and-out fascist (Romney), that the working class will fare better under the center-rightist.

I cast my ballot not on my own behalf but on behalf of the working class. Always have, always will. But I was promised 'change' in 2008 and the only change I've seen has been for the way worse.

goodword

(44 posts)
63. Neither
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:07 AM
Aug 2012

If I have to vote, I will vote for Obama because I think he takes the people of the country into consideration. At the same time, he's been pretty much debilitated by the Republicans. No matter what he says or does he's shot down. So we would have 4 more years of not moving forward at all.

We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. It's going to take far more than simple voting to change things in America. Sad to say, we've reached a pivotal point where if we keep trusting in a system that has been broken for many decades, nothing will ever be fixed.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
27. Are you kidding me? Romney is a piece of shit (no offense to
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:40 AM
Aug 2012

excrement), barely worthy of inclusion among homo sapiens.

This was not a thread about presidential politics per se, so much as a statement of brutal, hard fact that many Americans, myself included, are far worse off now than they were four years ago.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
8. I'm sorry
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:54 PM
Aug 2012

We too are worse off because of a disability. We are fortunate enough that they have not cut federal funds to the disabled. Yet.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
28. You know, I'm almost 100% sure that were it not for Occupy, the center-rightist Obama would still
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:42 AM
Aug 2012

be prattling on about the need for 'austerity' and making compromises with the fascists.

Fortunately, Occupy stiffened Obama's spine.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
36. I actually would not be against compromise if
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:58 AM
Aug 2012

the republicans would compromise too, but as we all know they made a pledge as soon as Obama got elected to vote no on anything he proposed including a jobs act bill and tax increases for the 1%. They sit there and play games while we suffer.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,127 posts)
48. He'll wait until after the election to continue with his push for 'austerity'. Wait for it.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:06 AM
Aug 2012

About those compromises with the fascists? Still on the table.

But yeah, I will vote for him.

R-Money and his evil side kick...not an option.

DonCoquixote

(13,610 posts)
79. purile game?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:43 AM
Aug 2012

I was talking about how Bill's screw ups got him in troble and made him run to the left, the people he was intending to betray until he needed them.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
10. I know that feeling
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:01 AM
Aug 2012

I had all but two medical bills paid off last month and then four more came piling on. I don't think I've ever been fully paid up on medical bills, and haven't had decent credit in decades because of it.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
32. Unfortunately we'll never be paid up ...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:47 AM
Aug 2012

each year brings the next annual out of pocket maximum that needs to be paid, lucky to have insurance, but I fear too many boomers will eventually be in the same place.



madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
11. i know exactly how you feel
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:01 AM
Aug 2012

i`m on social security which just makes our house payments. before i turned 65 i did`t work for almost 4 years. i drew a lot of unemployment then nothing for the last year before social security kicked in.

i know it`s tough to read stuff like that but i look at it as thank who ever that the economy is getting better and people are going back to work. we have a long way to go but with obama we are on the road to recovery.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
108. >I don't understand, and any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:54 AM
Aug 2012

First, let me mention that I'm retired. My age and my lifetime of experiences has given me a certain perspective on the economy.

Given the fact that out political leaders have adopted a policy of shipping and maintaining manufacturing jobs in foreign countries, I do not understand how it can be said and believed that "the economy is getting better and people are going back to work. ... with obama we are on the road to recovery."

Here's the let's-transfer-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreements that have been supported by the political leaders of both parties:

1994 - NAFTA

2001 - Jordan – United States Free Trade Agreement
2004 - Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement
2004 - Chile - United States Free Trade Agreement
2004 - Singapore – United States Free Trade Agreement
2005 - Dominican Republic–Central America Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA; incl. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic)
2006 - Bahrain – United States Free Trade Agreement
2006 - Morocco - United States Free Trade Agreement
2006 - Oman – United States Free Trade Agreement
2007 - Peru – United States Trade Promotion Agreement

2011 - Panama - United States Trade Promotion Agreement
2011 - Colombia - United States Trade Promotion Agreement
2011 - Republic of Korea (South Korea) - United States Free Trade Agreement

Both presidential candidates support the adoption of another job-transferring "free-trade" agreement, one that is being called the NAFTA of the Pacific by some:

Trans-Pacific negotiations have been taking place throughout the Obama presidency. The deal is strongly supported by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the top lobbying group for American corporations. Obama's Republican opponent in the 2012 presidential elections, Mitt Romney, has urged the U.S. to finalize the deal as soon as possible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html

Seriously, if it is the policy of both parties to ship jobs to foreign countries, and even if Obama is a better person than Rmoney, how will there ever be a recovery?

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
199. +1 AnotherMcIntosh, that's THE question.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:51 PM
Aug 2012

Both parties are to blame. And journalists don't ask the right questions of candidates, ever.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
12. YMMV. Sorry you're having a hard time of it, but you know everyone has a right to their OWN story.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:03 AM
Aug 2012

And who are you to tell people that they can't say that they're doing better because you aren't? Most of my friends and family have purchased new cars this year, and many are buying homes. My husband's company has doubled their employees in the past few years. I know people who are working again, and businesses that are doing beautifully.

Does everyone else need to be miserable because you can't find a job? that sunny personality must help you a lot in your search.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
14. The reason some of us are saying that is because the repugs keep blaming Obama.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:04 AM
Aug 2012

Especially since Obama's jobs bill is just sitting on Boner's desk and he refuses to put it up for a vote.
God forbid it would pass and that would be bad for the republicans. And that is more important to them than helping people like yourself.

It's not that we don't understand that things are seriously shitty right now for alot of people, please don't take it personally.
I wish things were better for you.... I really do.

In 2008, when the market plummeted, I got killed. I'm retired and my 401k & my home is all I have. And that happened under a Republican's leadership. It just pisses me off to no end that they are blaming Obama.

I can totally understand how that thread would upset you.


 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
31. Thank you. That thread seemed so smug and self-congratulatory that I didn't
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:47 AM
Aug 2012

feel my response within the thread was adequate.

My wife pointed out that many people have already lost their homes and prospects for secure retirment. No way are they better now than they were four years ago. "No matter how hard they work now," my wife says, "they will never recover the lifestyle they had planned to and thought they would have."

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
44. So after reading down this thread, I'm left to ask the question that always need to be asked...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:15 AM
Aug 2012

where does Congress fit into this for you? The House holds the power of the purse and has spent the entire time cranking out bills to name post offices and teabagger red meat--not even sausage. And then there's the Senate where ole Mitch McConnell has been nesting for the entire time, sitting in one place trying to lay a golden egg. Every I run across one of these threads, I keep coming back to the machinations that have been going on behind the scene to undermine this President's administration.

FYI, during the past four years, we have lost some ground too. But I'll be damned if I'm going to lay the blame at one person's feet for the ignorance of an entire nation who seems hellbent on filling its legislature with 1%ers and then dragging out pitchforks when they game the system.

I'm sorry times are tough for you now. I sincerely hope things get better for you. I just wanted to point to a truth that always goes unsaid--one person alone is not responsible for all the ills in this nation or government.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
92. Oh, I'm all too aware of the Do-Nothing Congress of 2010 that campaigned on
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:18 AM
Aug 2012

"Jobs, jobs, jobs" and then didn't pass a Jobs bill.

This thread was meant to mirror a thread where someone trumped out much 'better off' they were than four years ago, not to blame Obama or let the Rape-publicans off the hook for their fascism.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
112. Perhaps you should have marked it as satire then and linked to the other thread.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

It does not read as such without a reference point.

Even if someone is not doing as well four years ago, I firmly believe that the slide into the abyss was halted and turn around has started for the nation. Now let's get to work and see if we can continue the climb upward.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
138. It was not intended as satire, although I probably should have
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:02 AM
Aug 2012

linked to the other thread. It was intended to check smug and self-congratulatory preening in the DU echo chamber.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
169. I read that less as self-congratulatory, and more as a collective congratulation...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:26 PM
Aug 2012

I read that less as self-congratulatory, and more as a collective congratulations on the modest gains the country has made against many odds, using examples to better illustrate the point en-toto.

But I'm the first to admit that we all of us see what we want to more often than what may have been intended-- as my grandfather once told me, "insults are the easiest things in the world to find: if we look hard enough, we can even find them in palces where they do not exist..."

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coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
37. Wow, I wish I could get your perspective and keep it. I just have
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:58 AM
Aug 2012

a hard time with smug, self-congratulatory posts, especially when the only reason Obama has a chance in 2012 is that the Rape-publicans are so universally fascistically psychopathic (except for Huntsman who never had a chance). Otherwise, with an 8.3% unemployment rate, Obama would be toast. Saying that is like pointing out the person who farted in the room.

I am all too aware that I do not it nearly as bad as many of my brothers and sisters in the working class. I still have a roof over my head, a pantry that is well stocked and a car that runs. And I still have my health.

Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #37)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
20. I am going to college on student loans...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:24 AM
Aug 2012

I will probably be in debt for the rest of my life. I will be paying off my student loans with my social security check. So things ain't rosy. But, Mittens would like me to not go to college at all, he would love to keep people like me from getting loans. He would like to end social security. Mittens would be perfectly fine if the only job I could get was cashiering at Home Depot because I have no way of paying for college.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
21. you're exactly right
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:30 AM
Aug 2012

If the only job you can get is a minimum wage job at some retail store that means all the more money for Mitt's CEO friends that own those retail stores.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
22. Sorry to hear about that
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:32 AM
Aug 2012

After swearing I would never open another business again I have just hired two and maybe a third. Its been a long 10 years but things in my neck are getting better and we are trying to take as many up with us as possible.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
25. I didn't mean to offend you.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:37 AM
Aug 2012

I was on the cusp of having to close up shop. I know I'm fortunate for not having to, and am grateful for my fortune.

Don't take it personal. It wasn't intended that way. Some of us have benefited from the change in administrations. That's all.

My heart is still with everyone who is still suffering. I do care. Heck, it could well be me in your shoes tomorrow. Right?

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
29. +1 and thank you for saying so.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:45 AM
Aug 2012

These last couple years I have lost everything. Lost a good job, burnt through retirement savings, everything is gone.

I got so angry when I saw that thread. Started typing a reply to it. Got half way through and decided just to trash the thread.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
33. I didn't realize how fucking angry I was at that smug, self-congratulatory
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:49 AM
Aug 2012

tone until I had posted my reply within the thread.

In retrospect, maybe I should have just done what you did and trashed the thread.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
30. I am exactly the same as you
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:45 AM
Aug 2012

Laid off two years ago sept. Unemployment was cut off in March since Texas no longer qualified for the fed extension.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
34. I hope things turn around for you and for me soon. I know they won't with
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:52 AM
Aug 2012

a Romney administration and am increasingly skeptical about Obama's 2nd term.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
118. It's becoming increasingly difficult for me
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:18 AM
Aug 2012

I've been type 1 diabetic for 30 years, have severe pain in my feet, herniated disc in my back and am now blind in one eye along with having a dozen various surgeries over the past 5 years.

Best of luck to you, don't give up hope.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
38. What are you doing to remedy that situation?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:02 AM
Aug 2012

Seriously.

Are you still seeking employment in the same field, or have you tried something new?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
39. I have resumes built around four different skill sets, so
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:06 AM
Aug 2012

three of the four are new with reference to my last position.

I've had interviews and a couple false starts (one of which I wrote about here on DU).

Check this out: I've got a phone interview for a 'political writing' position at an online start-up tomorrow. Pay is 50% of what I made in my last position but a 50% pay cut beats cashing in my IRA prematurely. A writing\editing position would be a throw-back to a field (journalism) I've worked in previously but not recently.

Hope that's 'seriously' enough for you. Keep your fingers crossed for me

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
124. Looks like that is exactly what he's doing.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:28 AM
Aug 2012

He is using every resource available in order to secure employment, instead of sitting on his hands hoping for the best.

Being pro-active on one's own behalf is ineed pulling oneself up...if you wait around for someone else to o it for you, well, good luck with that.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
167. They also never pretended to be helpless.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:13 PM
Aug 2012

But if that works for you, go with it.

Looks like the OP has a plan, and is implementing it...which is what a prudent, intelligent person does instead of waiting for manna to fall from heaven.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
181. What exactly is your problem?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:02 PM
Aug 2012

What word in English would you rather have me use?

Your semantic games are childish.

Would you rather have someone looking for a job NOT be proactive in that endeavour?

Describe to me, in exact language, how a person doing *nothing* to help themselves attain employment lands that new job.

How is that a winning strategy?

I'm all ears.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
182. I have every right to challenge hateful views here. I don't care if that's a problem for *you*. nt
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:04 PM
Aug 2012

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
183. Wow. Please seek help.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:09 PM
Aug 2012

If any of what I posted was 'hateful views', I certainly hope it gets alerted upon by DU members.

You must see monsters in every shadow.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
185. No, you responded with exaggerations, grossly inflated hyperbole, and outright fabrications.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:20 PM
Aug 2012

But coming from you it's to be expected.

How long have you been a Union member?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
188. You responded in an irrational manner.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:51 PM
Aug 2012

Nothing new to me on the internet.

How long have you been a Union member?

What Local do you belong to?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
200. Well, those days are gone obviously. Now it's hard to find any compassion for those less
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:54 PM
Aug 2012

fortunate on our side of the aisle. I love the interrogation of people who have worked all of their lives and due to the economy, lost their jobs.

I wish the OP success in getting a job. I know I have read his posts explaining his efforts to do so, so it would never have occurred to me to ask him what he was doing about his situation.

dennis4868

(9,774 posts)
41. I know many are hurting...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:19 AM
Aug 2012

but I am definitely way better off than I was 4 years ago. 4 years ago I had no job, no insurance (and could not get insurance for my daughter bec she has a serious pre existing condition. Now I have a good paying job in construction and my daughter (thanks to ObamaCare) has health insurance. I know some will attack me bec they are have it rough but I think it's fine that if people are doing better, they should feel comfortable saying it.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
46. Putting all this into a broader context--
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:43 AM
Aug 2012

A fine line between when cheerfulness has gone over to the dark side and just plain recital of facts about what is going on.

http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/brightsided.htm

Americans are a "positive people" cheerful, optimistic, and upbeat: this is our reputation as well as our self-image. But more than a temperament, being positive, we are told, is the key to success and prosperity.

In this utterly original take on the American frame of mind, Barbara Ehrenreich traces the strange career of our sunny outlook from its origins as a marginal nineteenth-century healing technique to its enshrinement as a dominant, almost mandatory, cultural attitude. Evangelical mega-churches preach the good news that you only have to want something to get it, because God wants to "prosper" you. The medical profession prescribes positive thinking for its presumed health benefits. Academia has made room for new departments of "positive psychology" and the "science of happiness/" Nowhere, though, has bright-siding taken firmer root than within the business community, where, as Ehrenreich shows, the refusal even to consider negative outcomes--like mortgage defaults--contributed directly to the current economic crisis.

With the mythbusting powers for which she is acclaimed, Ehrenreich exposes the downside of America’s penchant for positive thinking: On a personal level, it leads to self-blame and a morbid preoccupation with stamping out "negative" thoughts. On a national level, it’s brought us an era of irrational optimism resulting in disaster. This is Ehrenreich at her provocative best--poking holes in conventional wisdom and faux science, and ending with a call for existential clarity and courage.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
101. Thanks for the bibliographic rec. I'll be requesting the book from
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:34 AM
Aug 2012

the library forthwith. (I've read a couple other Ehrenreich books and several articles by her in Harper's and elsewhere.)

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
202. ^ This should be topic! ^
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:57 PM
Aug 2012

http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/brightsided.htm

Americans are a "positive people" cheerful, optimistic, and upbeat: this is our reputation as well as our self-image. But more than a temperament, being positive, we are told, is the key to success and prosperity.

In this utterly original take on the American frame of mind, Barbara Ehrenreich traces the strange career of our sunny outlook from its origins as a marginal nineteenth-century healing technique to its enshrinement as a dominant, almost mandatory, cultural attitude. Evangelical mega-churches preach the good news that you only have to want something to get it, because God wants to "prosper" you. The medical profession prescribes positive thinking for its presumed health benefits. Academia has made room for new departments of "positive psychology" and the "science of happiness/" Nowhere, though, has bright-siding taken firmer root than within the business community, where, as Ehrenreich shows, the refusal even to consider negative outcomes--like mortgage defaults--contributed directly to the current economic crisis.


Quite insightful.

jayjayusa

(28 posts)
47. Maybe...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:47 AM
Aug 2012

You shouldn't spend so much time in the Internet.
Seek more education and vote for people that want your well being. Just saying. Other than that, don't blame everyone else for your problems.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
59. Well... it is good advice, all of it.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:45 AM
Aug 2012

We can all get more education, no matter how far along we already are. And there is life happening outside the front door...

goodword

(44 posts)
61. And Who ARE Those People
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:48 AM
Aug 2012

that want our well being? Obama tried maybe, but he has no real power against the Republicans. They want a one party system in America so they can control everything and everyone. And I believe, in time, that will happen.

We'd better find SOMEONE to blame or we're going to be spinning our wheels for years to come. If we don't demand changes, we might as well stop talking right now.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
69. Oh, YOU'RE going to last long, I can tell.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:51 AM
Aug 2012

People with Master's Degrees got laid off and continue to get fired by Corporate America. I should know because in 2009, several dozen around me did. What say you about these people, Mr. Bootstrapper? Were they "lazy" and did they "spend too much time on the internet"? Did they "not work HARD enough"??

You can get all the education on the planet and it's not going to make a handful of beans difference if a corporation eliminates your position because they decide they don't need you. Not all of us can be "owners", since it's a crapshoot to be successful enough that you earn as much as you did at a straight job.

You people crack me up.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
219. +a zillion!
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 02:46 PM
Sep 2012

get more education?

Continuing education is never bad, but Mr. Bootstrapper seems to have missed the clear fact that coalition-unwilling is already highly educated.

As if all people out of work are *ahem* Welfare Queens. (to use the simple minded hate-phrase coined by Reagan and beloved of narrow minded, scapegoating, self-satisfied, parochial, social-darwinist, Gawd-loves-me-and-hates-you, repukes everywhere.)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
206. Maybe you should have waited to learn more about longtime DUers,
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:13 PM
Aug 2012

such as the OP, before you offer them what is, and had you waited you would have known this, ill-informed advice.

I imagine the OP could give YOU some advice on these matters considering his experiences.

Stick around, DU is a great place to start learning.



Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

liberal N proud

(60,217 posts)
52. Sorry to hear your situation
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:26 AM
Aug 2012

I know what it's like to be without a job for that long. Been there, remember the Reagan years?

Sure hope things turn around soon for you!

xmas74

(29,594 posts)
54. Here's a bit of hope for you.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:33 AM
Aug 2012

Three and a half years ago I was laid off from my job. During that time I took everything I could find,including minimum wage jobs, just to pay the bills. Last week, I finally got my old job back. They are now hiring and are in a hiring run. I start in a couple of weeks. (FWIW, it's in manufacturing.)

The orders are coming back, the contracts are starting to come back, and the work is slowly coming back. Am I better off now then I was four years ago? No, but I'm hoping that if you ask me this time next year I can say yes. (This is with a planned "working two jobs" scenario in order to pay off some bills fast.)

Here's to hope.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
103. Glad to hear of your good fortune and hoping my experience has
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:36 AM
Aug 2012

the same arc. (I'm at the point now where I'm considering jobs at a 50% pay cut to keep from liquidating IRAs prematurely.)

xmas74

(29,594 posts)
204. you might have to do so.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:06 PM
Aug 2012

It's unfortunate but do what you have to do. I worked minimum wage for quite some time until this recently happened.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
57. I'm so sorry for what you're going through
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:40 AM
Aug 2012

I spent the W years in free fall after the high tech crash / 911 crash. Career gone, too old to get re-hired, to young to retire, right when I *should* have been in my "peak earning" years.

I ran through *all* my liquid savings. All that's left is my house, which I own outright (as opposed to having IRAs).

And then starting in '08 as I approached flat broke, instead of dumping my house I decided to take on student loan debt for allied health care, based on Obama's hope campaign.

I'm better off in that I'm no longer in free-fall and am barely treading water. On the one hand, thanks to the student loan debt and humongous work on my part, I'm part-time employed at hourly rates I made back in the early 80s. The student loans would have sunk me except for the income-based repayment program. And now my hours are being cut from half-time to about 1/3 time, so unless I'm able to sell my home, I'm going to have to find ways to cut even more expenses. I'm running out of ideas. I already cook solar and freeze my food throughout the summer to reduce my fuel use in the winter. My pets are downsizing through attrition. I hold my breath every time my elderly cat looks like maybe she's expired in her sleep...and am saddened by my mixed feelings when she wakes up purring. Her food is another $25/month.

It hurts me to see how many people out there -- including all my co-workers -- think the last 4 years have been horrible because they didn't didn't get raises, when so many of us have lost so much of what we'd worked for and earned and have no way to recoup the losses.

I've lived your pain for the last 10 years.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
105. Thank you and I'm really sorry to hear about what you've been going through. It's the
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:41 AM
Aug 2012

"no way to recoup the losses" part that really gets me (and there are many who are far worse off than I), when people start talking about how much better off they are than 4 years ago.

goodword

(44 posts)
58. Been Here....Twice
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:44 AM
Aug 2012

Once in 2001 and again 2011. My family faced unemployment under two different administrations. I assure you, neither one came to our rescue.

We need to recognize, it's not US who is to blame for all this. It's THEM. All of THEM. Yet we fight amongst ourselves and point fingers at each party when in reality the entire system is broken. When you have a corporate owned government, expect nothing for the people. In the corporate world, people are expendable.

We're on our own. We have no government that will help us, protect us or improve anything for us. We have literally been abandoned.

Good luck in your job search. Hang in there.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
106. Grammar Nazi here: I don't think we have 'literally' been
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:47 AM
Aug 2012

abandoned (although some times the Rape-publicans come perilously close to that). It's the 'figurative' abandonment that stings all the more, as they (Dems and Rape-publicans) give lip service to caring and then do nothing to aid us.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
78. That's pretty cold to someone who's having a hard time..
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:41 AM
Aug 2012

A rising tide lifts all yachts but the dingies often get left in the bottom muck.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
123. I suppose.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:27 AM
Aug 2012

The mood of this thread was so serious and heavy, I provided a bit of comic relief to lighten things up.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
127. I don't find pissing on someone who is down and hurting to be comical..
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:39 AM
Aug 2012

But then I'm not a Republican.

Bear in mind that my screen name is due to my financial situation and my mood when I registered here on DU in 2008, I'm nowhere near as well off now as I was then.

Running on empty, sucking fumes, you figure it out.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
134. I have not had a middle class income for several years now.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:52 AM
Aug 2012

I have had some extremely hard times myself, in the past few years. And I am not "pissing on" anybody, but you can choose to see it that way if it makes you feel better. I personally doubt any part of this thread has helped or hurt anyone in a significant way, but since I see my attempt at humor fell flat, I am going to trash this thread now and find something productive to do.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
64. I'm marginally better off no than 4 years ago, but nothing to dance a jig about
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:28 AM
Aug 2012

I'm reminded of that lyric from a Doors song:

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
65. It's a sad thing when people are thrilled their adult kids can rely on their health insurance.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:39 AM
Aug 2012

The expectations are so low they think getting coverage for a 26 year old who does not have a job capable of providing their own health insurance is the epitome of happiness. Moreover its such a temporary thing. What happens when these "kids" turn 27?

What we need is an economy that is growing fast enough to employ people which should increase wages. If we can't increase economic activity we aren't going to be able to create enough jobs to employ the natural number of people entering the workforce much less the millions who have lost their jobs.

It's foolish to be thrilled at the way this economy is going. It hasn't reached the velocity needed to sustain things.


99Forever

(14,524 posts)
75. Yes indeed.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:33 AM
Aug 2012

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At age 18 I took my first fulltime job. It provided 100% full coverage health insurance for not only myself, but the family we started a few years later. That was on top of a wage that provided well enough that we could purchase a modest home, eat decently and have some occasional entertainment. On my income alone.

Lowered expectations is putting mildly.

Now the product of almost an entire lifetime of hard work is all but gone or going and I'm supposed to celebrate because some really halfassed law lets people pay for over-priced premiums to mega insurance giants for shitty coverage for their adult 'children" for a few more years?

How fucked up is that?

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
82. Nailed it. 27 year olds don't need healthcare, donchaknow? Nor to 26 year olds whose parents are
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:55 AM
Aug 2012

uninsured, apparently.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
68. I think you raise a valid point: we are the party of reality
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:50 AM
Aug 2012

and we need to deal with this.

I don't think the ire directed at Sparkly was appropriate though (and I liked her thread).

But I do think acknowledging the reality that it hasn't gotten better for EVERYONE - we still need to do MORE - is a Very VALID point.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
110. As I read through the responses to my OP, I'm struck by the idea
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:02 AM
Aug 2012

that some people now have no realistic chance of ever recovering much of what has been lost. (I'm not yet in that camp.) Those are the people who need help the most, so that they can live a dignified and healthy retirement.



aikoaiko

(34,074 posts)
70. Sorry for your troubles, but Sparkly posted that thread in support of the president.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:02 AM
Aug 2012

And not in support of him/herself and certainly not as an insinuation against those less fortunate.

I think people should speak to their experience whether it is positive or negative.

AngryOldDem

(14,060 posts)
73. I think anyone over 50...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:27 AM
Aug 2012

...is just plain fucked in this society. It won't matter who is in the White House.

I'm resigned to not having a full-time job with benefits ever again. And I feel damned lucky for the temporary job that I have, which begins again in October, and will run through midsummer 2013. I enjoy the work immensely, though, which is some small consolation, I guess. I still have to pay for my own health insurance, which i just had to change here recently because my carrier pulled out of my state. I'll probably have to do that one or more times before I go off to my heavenly reward, and hope that in the meantime my health holds so that I'm insurable.

Take comfort in knowing that you're not alone, no matter how much bashing you're taking in this thread. I for one am not seeing -- nor feeling -- the hope and change I voted for four years ago. Oh yes, I will still vote for Obama, because really, what's my alternative? And isn't that a hell a thing to base a vote on?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
115. Thanks. As I noted earlier upthread, I am struck by how many have lost
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:11 AM
Aug 2012

so much and who now have little or no realistic chance of recovering it, no matter who is in office.

I always try to vote the candidate(s) who support the working class, or who promise to do the least harm to it. But it's not like Obama is going to change the excessive concentrations of wealth in this country so that an obscenity like Romney is no longer possible. Some of the responses in this thread have indeed caused me to question just how firm my intention to cast my ballot for Obama in November is. But I just come back to the interests of the working class and the choice for Obama is self-evident.

revolution breeze

(879 posts)
74. I wish Health Care Reform had gone farther
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:31 AM
Aug 2012

We are on Tricare, which was exempt from the new health care law. So, come December, my daughter with Type 1 diabetes has to pay $210 a month for healthcare, even though she still lives at home and is a full time student.

But , other than a short stint of hubby being unemployed early this years, we are doing okay. Taking care of mom and grandma takes alot of time and energy, but it was my choice to keep them out of a nursing home.

Yavin4

(35,236 posts)
80. Have You Thought About Volunteering?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:49 AM
Aug 2012

Volunteering is a great way to showcase your job skills, keep continuity on your resume, and make good contacts. People hire people that they've worked with in the past.

Try volunteering on a political campaign. Volunteering for local candidates works the best. They may even help you get a job in government if they're elected.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
88. he has been unemployed for about two years
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:09 AM
Aug 2012

by my calculations, approximately a brazililon people have suggest he try volunteering.

Yavin4

(35,236 posts)
91. I was Unemployed for Two Years from 2008 to 2010, and I volunteered.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:14 AM
Aug 2012

Eventually, I was offered a full time job, and now I am making more money than I have ever have in my career.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
93. same here, same time period
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:23 AM
Aug 2012

and while I was volunteering, people were constantly suggesting to me that I volunteer. Maybe the OP is volunteering now, or maybe he has applied. They do require applications, and they do turn down people. There is a huge lack of demand in this country, there are a ton of people like the OP who are looking for work that isn't there.

AngryOldDem

(14,060 posts)
100. I also got a job through volunteering.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:33 AM
Aug 2012

It was at a nonprofit. I had to leave it, though, because of a move. Occasionally I look at its web site, and it seems that now the place wants to fill all positions through volunteers, which was pretty much the way things were going when I left.

So, even the volunteering option isn't as open as it once was.

I won't offer well-meaning advice like this because I'm certain people have heard it all before. The jobs, for the most part, just aren't there, and I think that's how the powers-that-be want it, no matter who is sitting in the White House.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
121. Good idea. I've volunteered in the past (with a Literacy\Tutoring
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:21 AM
Aug 2012

group and with various political campaigns). None have ever led to a job or even a lead, but always had a good time while doing it.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
84. I'm with you...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:03 AM
Aug 2012

Not as well off and not humored by people who like to rub it in. However with the changes in DU recently I am not surprised to see the "Democrats" here rubbing it in.

Hang in there man, it's all we can do.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
125. Yeah, I must confess that a couple of the responses from
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:34 AM
Aug 2012

old-time DUers surprised me. They obviously know and understand the immense amounts of suffering that happened even after Obama took office but rah-rah partisanship seems to induce some really bizarre responses.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
90. Yeah, I know enough people who are worse off that I think the question isn't the best one for
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:12 AM
Aug 2012

Democrats to be raising this time around. I hope things change soon for you.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
126. Seriously, framing the debate as "Are you better or worse off than
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:37 AM
Aug 2012

you were four years ago?" isn't going to inspire me to get to the polls in November. I think it's best for the Dems to keep going negative on Romney, as there is so much material there to work with, that the Dems don't even need to try to run on their record or on Rape-publican obstructionism.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
97. Under Republicans the economy would have kept on plummeting.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:31 AM
Aug 2012

Bush had our economy careening down a canyon like a runaway team of horses going 60mph down Down DOWN.
At a mile down, Obama takes over, slows the speed of descent, turns the tired team of horses around and starts the tired horses back up the canyon at 10mph.

But, by then we are three miles down the canyon, moving up slowly.

Now, we are two miles down, heading up at 2mph as Republicans throw rocks at our path upward.

So, now, people want to complain that we are a mile below where Obama took over the reigns by saying "we are worse off under Obama."

So, now, people do not want to hear that between mile 3 and 2 that there are success stories.

So, now, people want to ignore that the other party had us going down instead of up.

Well, I call bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
99. Some people should take the time to read the entire thread before
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:32 AM
Aug 2012

tossing their pearls of wisdom, methinks.

Whatevs.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
137. Read it, fine. Wisdom was mine. Made a mistake: No pearls before swine.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:01 AM
Aug 2012

Whatevers are yours. Ain't buying your whine.

nolabear

(41,824 posts)
98. I'm sorry for your situation, truly, but I won't refuse to be glad for mine.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:32 AM
Aug 2012

I'm not eating caviar. But I'm more secure and my kids are doing fine as young adults in the slow, climbing way that kids should be able to do. Someis luck, some is work, and some is the result of beter health care and some of the president's economic policies.

I hope it gets better for you. I do. But I exist too, and won't refuse to.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
102. I'm better off than I was 4 yrs ago, but way worse off than I was 3 yrs ago.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:35 AM
Aug 2012

I've lost an avg. a $600 - $800 a month, and our non-profit could no longer afford to pay insurance premiums on health insurance, so I am now uninsured.

I'm going to vote straight Dem, but I am very disappointed that more has not been done by Democrats to stop wealthy private interests from raping the people and the planet.

Market based solutions are not the answer. We need to triple taxes on the wealthy, institute strict control over corporations in all areas, and enact a modern New Deal type socio-economic program.

If Democrats had done what needed to be done instead of kowtowing to corporate interests, the Obama - Romney race wouldn't even be close. Romney would be conceding defeat in October, and Obama would win in a mega-landslide.

Instead, we now have to be concerned about another Bush, in the person of a shallow, greedy, ignorant, corporate stooge like Romney, possibly becoming President. I'm not at all happy about having to sweat this election when this could have been avoided.

Centrism is milquetoast, and the center is never an effective position from which to govern, especially when drastic measures are called for by circumstance.



abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
107. I am so sorry!
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:49 AM
Aug 2012

I hope you can find work soon.



I'm not better off either. My benefits have been slashed, (theyve been steadily eroded over the past ten years.) I can't save anything and it is becoming quite obvious that my entire career will be off shored forever because our government will do nothing to counter subsidies from other countries and keep jobs in the US.

But I'll be voting for Obama. Not because he's made my world better, but because the republicans are freaking insane and destined to make the world far worse.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
109. sorry for your troubles
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:56 AM
Aug 2012

I saw what was coming, got rid of credit cards, if I couldnt buy something with cash, I didnt really need it. I didnt let ads force me into buying junk, or multiple tvs, got serious about my job and when they took away my benefits and wanted more hours for no more pay I said no and started my own service and got paid more anyway. I am much better off than I was when Obama was elected, and thanks to him I can get health insurance. I am back working for a corporation as my 2nd job but will not apply for benefits that take money from my paycheck ever again. I do not have kids or a house-I do have a car and toys, all paid for in cash. I have sympathy for those who are responsible for others.

I think too many folks do not know how to be frugal without sacrifice, how to say no to the kids, cant barter the price of a new used car or grow their own tomatoes. My taxes at my 2nd job are withheld, but my major income I will not pay taxes on until Corporations pay their taxes. I refuse to pay for wars and Congress's wages, oil subsidies and tax cuts for the rich.

I doubt wages will be raised to match the cost of living and will save with that in mind. I suggest you not wait for a miracle to occur- if R&R get in the Whitehouse, the only jobs available will be below minimum wage and all cities will have an emergency manager. Sell your house and live in an RV. Get out from under now and default on your debts. It is time for a reboot, and civil war, no matter who is President. The last three years has proven, one good man can not defeat 500 bad men lobbied by corporations, much less get healing legislation passed.

Bettie

(15,876 posts)
113. I'm sorry for your situation
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:11 AM
Aug 2012

My husband's job was unexpectedly eliminated in January.

He's found a good job, eight months later.

I cannot imagine how frustrating it must be to keep looking and not finding anything for so long, since he was at wit's end with only eight months of looking.

But, I don't think that the other poster was trying to denigrate or step on you, though again, I can see how frustrating it might be.

I suspect, after looking at her posting, that she was refuting the idea that we're all doing worse under the current president. We're not all doing better, but we're not all doing worse. The two of you represent different points on a spectrum that includes us all.

I do hope that things look up for you and soon.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
116. Sorry to hear that.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:13 AM
Aug 2012

No matter which party is in power, there will always be people better off, and people worse off, than they were four years ago. I know that it's not much consolation to you that things would have been much worse under a McCain/Palin presidency.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
119. Let me put this bluntly: I think your op is mean spirited and selfish.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:20 AM
Aug 2012

I'm sorry you're in such a bad situation, but that's no reason for this nasty op.

I'm poor. I'm newly disabled and trying to come to terms with that, and I'm always glad to hear it when my fellow DUers are doing well.



 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
135. Well, there are 33 recs for this 'nasty op' right now, so maybe I'm
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:56 AM
Aug 2012

getting the 'mean spirited and selfish' bloc to come out en masse for me.

Or maybe "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" isn't such a winning strategy this time around.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
159. Honey...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:36 PM
Aug 2012

The idiot rant that was nothing but the word FUCK in all caps tacked onto a bunch of gross, nearly illiterate comments got more recs than that.

There is a certain percentage of the DU that will rec just about anything. Don't start assuming you are all special because there are other assholes out there willing to join the pity party.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
143. Abso-fucking-lutely...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:29 AM
Aug 2012

Well said.

"I'm sorry you're in such a bad situation, but that's no reason for this nasty op. "

Sid

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
130. Im all for free speach, but i cant believe the DU is allowing threads who diss our pressie
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:45 AM
Aug 2012

Especially now when he needs all our support.

And to the OP, life is what you make if it, maybe you should try harder, most of us are really struggling, but we're still optimists, because we Believe in our country and in Mr Obama. I'm sorry, but I have to block the op. Goodbye.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
146. yes..much better to lie???? the truth is good enough, always
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:52 AM
Aug 2012

and the truth is not so pleasant and certainly not what anyone expected 4 years ago. How in the hell do we get to the next step if we dont tell the truth?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
213. And right there is the whole problem with our political system. One team adores their
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:05 PM
Aug 2012

captain no matter what, and the other team adores theirs, and the whole political debate is centered around protecting the team captains from any kind of criticism, rather than being centered around the issues.

Hopefully one day America will grow and we can view politicians as what they are, employees of the people. And then maybe we can start talking about issues rather than people.

The River

(2,615 posts)
132. Do You Still Have Your Health?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:49 AM
Aug 2012

If so, I'll trade the SS payments I get for being old..in exchange for your health.
If so, I'll trade my military stipend and 40 years of undiagnosed PTSD ..in exchange for your health.
If so, I'll even trade my oil leases to get back the organs I've lost to cancer.
Hell, I'd live in a hollow log and drink muddy water if I could just get the tubes out of me!

Money isn't everything.



 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
144. I'm not sure how to respond. I clearly know that there are people far worse off
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:34 AM
Aug 2012

than I am. I do still still have my health, although I have some chronic conditions like hypertension that are going untreated right now while I try to conserve resources.

At this point, I almost think I'd be willing to trade a little health for an income stream - feels like I'm in a race against time and time is winning. But I get your point loud and clear and, fwiw, hope your health improves or at least stabilizes.

The River

(2,615 posts)
147. Thank You
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:58 AM
Aug 2012

One more surgery in a few weeks and hopefully, one less tube.

When I get "down" about how things are going I think back to
the kids I've met at the local children's hospital; the ones in helmets
and wheelchairs. Even if they do survive, their lives will always be hard.
Expressing silent gratitude for what I have/had always makes me feel better.

Hang in there....
and Good Luck


 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
148. Thank you for your good wishes and I'm sending mine back to you for
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:09 PM
Aug 2012

a successful surgery and speedy recovery.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
133. I hear you.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:52 AM
Aug 2012

I am not better off, the company I work for is not better off, and my Mom on SS is certainly not better off and edges closer to the abyss every day.

Will Romney/the GOP fix that? No. Will Obama/the Dems fix that? No, not so long as there are Blue Dogs and Third Way assholes whose lips are firmly attached to that Bull's ass.

Hang in there.

mvd

(65,123 posts)
150. I feel your pain. I am no better off either. I can not get work..
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:23 PM
Aug 2012

and am dependent on some stock money and family. I am fortunate to have such nice family. I am not frustrated at those who say they are doing better, though. Having money is fine, unless you think you have no responsibility to pay taxes so the poor/middle class give up more.

I blame some of it on the Third Way philosophy of our party, but I feel things would be better if the Repukes wouldn't have blocked everything. At least Obama is better than Clinton, who gutted welfare and signed elimination of Glass-Stegall.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
162. Careful or you'll be accused of being an 'other asshole' who is
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

participating in a 'pity party.' (I just put that poster on permanent Ignore.)

Agree with you that Republican obstructionism and know-nothingism going back to Reagan is the principal cause. Also agree with you about Clinton's relative culpability.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
151. I just found out last week that I'm going to be unemployed for the second time this year
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

Because the company I work at is getting so little business, we're strangling.

I'm just as upset at people screaming from the rooftops about how everything is peachy keen and how the Obama Administration should be thanked from bent knee.

We needed a miracle, a total turnaround. President Obama not only promised that, he outlined how he would do it and why it was necessary...and then he put Goldman Sachs at the wheel.

The economy has nothing to run on- the Repubs stole the engine and the Dems accepted the bribe to look the other way. There is no engine being proposed, so any kind of mileage we get is from the previous momentum and the downhill. Once we reach the bottom, It'll stop completely.

So I say unto ye- you have companionship and understanding from me, who shares your misery.

President Barak Obama's grand legacy: "I wasn't as bad as the other guy!"

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
160. Thanks for that. Between your post and the posts accusing me
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:46 PM
Aug 2012

of 'whining' and\or being 'selfish,' 'mean-spirited' and so on seems to lie an unbridgeable chasm.

I see the economy in a dead-cat bounce. Not getting worse but not improving much either.Just bumping along at a lower rate of activity where 8% unemployment is the new norm.

As you point out, it did not have to be that way.

Response to coalition_unwilling (Original post)

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
158. some people live in a bubble of privilege and so its
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:36 PM
Aug 2012

difficult for some of them to relate to people less fortunate than they are, unfortunately we are seeing a little of that in this thread too.

I had the same kind of experience, was unemployed for two years, and unemployment ran out. I was lucky enough to find employment but I know how difficult it is out there in this shitty economy. Ignore the jerks and idiots, they are too busy passing around the bubbly and wondering why anyone is having a tough time. They are ignorant folk, and they always are around.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
161. Thank you. It breaks my heart to have to choose between keeping
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
Aug 2012

our mortgage current by raiding my IRA and losing any hope for retirement or losing the roof over our head to keep the IRA and some hope for retirement.

And some people on this thread call that a 'pity party.' Thank God for the Ignore function is all I can say.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
165. Sorry for your troubles, but you don't have the right to dictate other people's posts.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:12 PM
Aug 2012

Take courage from the fact that others are doing well. I means that your situation could improve too. If everybody was doing worse, then there would be little hope for you.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
170. You're right, but I don't think I was dictating anyone's post, merely
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:26 PM
Aug 2012

requesting they stop their mindless rah-rah when so many are still suffering so severely.

There is little hope for me. This government and society have decided that I am totally and completely expendable. Surprised it took me so long to figure it out.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
171. Rolls/Royce & Rove(R)'s sole plan is to divide US
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:30 PM
Aug 2012

Stop helping them (just a suggestion).

Work with people near you who fight for helping people like you.

Volunteer if you can.

DUers are NOT your enemies.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
173. Let's see. I've been called 'selfish,' 'smug, 'mean-spirited, a 'whiner,' an 'other asshole,' and
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:36 PM
Aug 2012

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other choice words in this thread and DUers are NOT my enemies?

OK. Could have fooled me.



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
172. That person has as much right to celebrate their situation as you do to lament yours.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:33 PM
Aug 2012

I think we can be both happy for her, and concerned for you.

In the context of discussing politics, the question is, whose policies are most likely to bring about more people doing well, Obama/Democrats or Romney/Republicans?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
175. Oh, no question that Obama and the Dems will be better for
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:39 PM
Aug 2012

the working class than the fascists.

And, yes, she has a 'right' to celebrate as she wishes (the First Amendment), but the 'rah-rah' stuff gets mighty wearisome for those who have been left in the dust of this brave new world.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
179. Are you 'jealous' of them being better off and celebrating?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

Hope not.

Besides, nobody forces you to read these threads.

I truly wish you will find a way to solve the repuglican-policies problems still affecting millions like you. Don't get me wrong.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
191. Yeah, in retrospect, I probably should have simply trashed the thread. And
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:08 PM
Aug 2012

I don't think 'jealous' is quite the right word for it. More like 'bewilderment' that society and the government seem to have abandoned so many people like me.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
178. This is one of the grossest threads I've ever read on DU. I really am having a hard time believing
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

that there are this many hateful posters here.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
187. Shocking, isn't it?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 02:24 PM
Aug 2012

It's disturbing how many rifts there are in society, even here on DU where it's supposed to be progressive democrats.

One of the bigger rifts opening up is the rift between the truth and what people would prefer to believe...or maybe it was always there and current events are just highlighting it.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
190. I've been campaigning and volunteering for Dems since
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:03 PM
Aug 2012

the 1988 campaign (when I volunteered to walk precincts for Michael Dukakis), so hearing myself called 'selfish' and 'mean-spirited' really makes me question whether I even want to continue participating on DU.

My wife pointed out to me that we still have people living in tents. Or if they're not still living in tents, it's because various police and security services have forcibly evicted them.

And, my wife added, those of us who have had the temerity to protest publicly against this state of affairs (through Occupy or other protest venues) have had to contend with the very real risk of getting our heads bashed in for protesting.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
192. oh please. hateful? I find the op mean spirited.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:21 PM
Aug 2012

I celebrate DUers doing well. I don't take it as a personal affront or someone trying to rub salt in my wounds. And the innocuous op that this op is so bitter about is not gloating or bragging. How dare she be happy that her daughter has healthcare because of the ACA? Really, the gall.

And I am way worse off than the OP. I've had a year I wouldn't wish on anyone, but I begrudge no one being happy that their child has healthcare now or that they could afford to buy a car.

I'd like to see the op spend a DAY in my shoe.

And this isn't even close to the grossest thread ever on DU.

Oh, and I haven't seen one person here exhibit what he claims.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
217. I thought you had bid this thread (and\or me) adieu a long time ago, but
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:52 PM
Aug 2012

since I see you are still posting on it, I'll just mention that the "innocuous op" I was responding to did indeed boast that she had 'bought an AMERICAN car." To me that comes across as gloating (or perhaps 'smug'), but I guess to each his own.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
215. It is certainly a revealing thread. What it says to me is that there are now Democrats
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:43 PM
Aug 2012

who could not care less about the unemployed, the poor, the vulnerable in society. Their very existence appears to be problem for them. A political inconvenience.

And for all these years I thought that our party was the one that stood up against this kind of disgust for the country's most vulnerable Americans.

Before we can, as the right wingers say, 'take our country back', it's clear now that we first need to take our own party back.

I agree it is a disheartening thread. I remember when DU was so supportive of other DUers who were struggling in any way. I wonder where those people went? That's what I loved about DU, it's compassion and caring compared to the Right Wing sites where 'pull up your bootstraps' was their national anthem. To see it here is very disturbing.

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
194. Coalition_unwilling, my heart goes out to you
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:35 PM
Aug 2012

Millions and millions are in the same boat. It seems we are sinking and there's no rescue in sight.

What do people do when unemployment runs out and they can't find jobs? Especially those who are 50+?

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