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Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:59 PM

Trump Orders 'a Lot' of Ketamine for Depressed Veterans

Now he's a flippin' doctor? Follow the money because this is not being done/ordered due to the kindness in his heart. I don't think he has one.


Trump Orders ‘a Lot’ of Ketamine for Depressed Veterans
The president told the VA to purchase a large amount of a controversial new nasal spray. The agency says it will consider incorporating the drug after it has more data.
James Hamblin
11:29 AM ET


President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that the government will purchase “a lot” of the drug esketamine, a derivative of ketamine.

Though ketamine is known as a recreational hallucinogen, Trump asserted that a new nasal-spray derivative would be of great benefit to veterans with depression. As he left the White House for a veterans’ conference in Kentucky, he told reporters that he had instructed the Department of Veterans Affairs to make a large purchase—overriding a recent decision by the doctors who manage the hospitals’ formulary of which drugs are to be prescribed.

“There’s a product that’s made right now that just came out by Johnson & Johnson which has a tremendously positive—pretty short term, but nevertheless positive—effect,” Trump said. But that statement is contrary to the evidence. A review by the Food and Drug Administration of what limited studies have been done with esketamine found mixed results, leaving many scientists unsure if the drug is indeed effective and safe. Just last week, the agency published a report that said the drug was not reliably better than placebo.

Rates of suicide among veterans have perennially been around 50 percent higher than those among people who were never in the military. Then, last year, the VA reported that rates increased 10 percent among younger veterans in particular. Despite pressure to better address and treat suicidal depression, the VA’s medical advisory board voted in June against including esketamine in the list of drugs that the hospital system offers in its formulary. The VA declined to comment on its decision, but current guidelines, a VA spokesperson told me by email, allow for esketamine’s occasional use in “veterans who have not previously responded to adequate trials of other available treatments for major depression.”

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This is a far cry from the promises the president made to veterans. “Hopefully we are getting it at a very good cost,” Trump said. “I guess it’s a form of a stimulant where if somebody is really in trouble from the standpoint of suicide it can do something.” The drug is, in fact, a sedative; ketamine has long been used as an anesthetic. And its daily cost is $737.50.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/08/trump-ketamine/596716/

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babylonsister Aug 2019 OP
Historic NY Aug 2019 #1
babylonsister Aug 2019 #2
912gdm Aug 2019 #8
jmowreader Aug 2019 #13
pbmus Aug 2019 #4
Harker Aug 2019 #3
Marie Marie Aug 2019 #5
WhiteTara Aug 2019 #15
Tanuki Aug 2019 #6
babylonsister Aug 2019 #7
Initech Aug 2019 #9
Midnight Writer Aug 2019 #10
Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2019 #11
spanone Aug 2019 #12
Ilsa Aug 2019 #14

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:12 PM

1. Who told Dr Trump about this?

I knew someone who would steal it from the veterinarian and snort it, she disappeared one night and was found one a bridge over the Hudson River. Good thing she was lucid for a moment and her phone butt dialed.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:25 PM

2. Is ketamine related to

angel dust, do you know? Wasn't that a horse tranquilizer?

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 05:05 PM

8. I dunno about angel dust, that was b4 my time

but yeah its a horse tranq. if you hear date-rape drugs, its possible K is a culprit

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:18 PM

13. According to the Merck Manual, it is

https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/special-subjects/recreational-drugs-and-intoxicants/ketamine-and-phencyclidine-pcp

Ketamine and phencyclidine (PCP) are chemically related anesthetics. These drugs are often used to adulterate or pass for other hallucinogens such as LSD.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:37 PM

4. Are you an entomologist?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:34 PM

3. Trumpsky, though, is demonstrably

worse than a placebo.

He must have a stake in it somehow.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:37 PM

5. Maybe HE has been prescribed this?

We know that he has a whole lot of things weighing on his little mind right now.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:37 PM

15. No he has friends that make this and he

gets a cut of the profits of $767 per patient per day.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 04:48 PM

6. He probably has a lot of experience with ketamine

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320409.php
."What you should know about date rape drugs

.......

Ketamine is an anesthetic that acts quickly to cause feelings of relaxation. Victims may lose consciousness or be confused and compliant. They might not remember what happened while under the influence of the drug.

Unlike most other date rape drugs, ketamine acts almost immediately. A victim may not have time to realize they have been drugged.

At high doses, ketamine can cause breathing problems that may be fatal.

Ketamine comes as a white powder that may change the taste of someone's drink. Consequently, perpetrators sometimes use it in strong-tasting alcoholic beverages that may disguise the drug's presence."....(more)

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 05:01 PM

7. ...

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 05:09 PM

9. It's almost like he *TRIES* to come up with the wrong answer for everything!

Do we give returning veterans dangerous hallucinogenics that aren't proven to treat depression? No! Trump admin: Yes!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 05:19 PM

10. His pal Epstein probably told Trump how useful it is on young girls.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:15 PM

11. K&R and his Tweet antics have lost him "a lot" of veteran votes...

When I go to the VA, I see some bumper-stickers that endorse Trump. As a Vietnam Era Veteran, I find them appalling. But these misguided veterans can support whoever they want for president, according to the US Constitution.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:16 PM

12. He knows more than the doctors....you can bet!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 06:20 PM

14. Isn't it known as "Special K"? nt

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