Lawyers: Evidence shows Epstein death 'far more consistent' with murder

[babylonsister]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/459091-lawyers-evidence-shows-epstein-death-far-more-consistent-with


Lawyers: Evidence shows Epstein death 'far more consistent' with murder
By Zack Budryk - 08/28/19 09:29 AM EDT


Attorneys for financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein said his death in federal custody was “far more consistent with assault” than suicide in a court hearing Tuesday, according to Newsweek.

"We did not see a despairing, despondent, suicidal person" ahead of Epstein's death Aug. 10, one of Epstein's attorneys told District Judge Richard M. Berman, according to Newsweek.

The lawyers said they could provide further evidence backing their claims.

Epstein’s lawyers said the medical examiner who ruled Epstein died by suicide had only seen nine minutes of footage from a single security camera before making the determination.

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“[W]e have a profound problem with the conclusions of the medical examiner,” said one attorney, with another telling Berman "There are conspiracy theories galore … what if the tapes only broke down on the day he was killed or he died?” and inviting Berman to tour Metropolitan Correctional Center, where Epstein was found non-responsive.

Attorneys argued Epstein lacked motive to take his own life, saying that the time of his death, the registered sex offender’s legal team had decided to pursue an appeal challenging prosecutors’ ability to pursue the case that they believed had a high chance of success.

[Pachamama]

1. I believe he was murdered too

Narcissistic assholes don’t kill themselves. Epstein was arrogant and surely thought he would buy the best legal defense and get away with it.

Yes, he changed his will, but that was a strategic financial move - not because he planned to kill himself. He knew civil suits were coming and he wanted to protect that money.

[jberryhill]

6. "Narcissistic assholes don't kill themselves" is breathtakingly incorrect

Can you provide some more detail around this:

Yes, he changed his will, but that was a strategic financial move - not because he planned to kill himself. He knew civil suits were coming and he wanted to protect that money.

I only had one semester of wills and trusts, so I'm not by any means an expert. Could you help me out on how that works?

I have civil suits coming, and so I change my will to somehow shield my assets from those suits while I'm still alive? How does changing my will - and then not dying - protect my assets?

My will is only effective if I die. I did manage to pick that much up. So I'm completely mystified by this notion of "changing your will to protect your assets from lawsuits" if one is not planning on dying.

I'm also not sure where you get your information about narcissism. Narcissists frequently commit suicide.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19607766

Specific features of suicidal behavior in patients with narcissistic personality disorder.

Suicidal behavior is a clinically significant but underestimated cause of mortality in narcissistic personality disorder.

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Narcissistic personality disorder seems to be a distinct group among cluster B personality disorders with regard to suicidal behavior. In contrast to suicide attempters with other cluster B personality disorders, suicide attempters diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder are less impulsive and have suicide attempts characterized by higher lethality. These distinctions may offer a basis for targeted therapies aimed at decreasing suicidal risk in patients with narcissistic personality disorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_mortification

Among the many motives behind suicidal activities in general are shame, loss of honor, and narcissistic mortification. Those who suffer from narcissistic mortification are more likely to participate in suicidal behaviors and those who do not receive the proper help more often than not succeed. Suicide related to narcissistic mortification is different from normal sorrow in that it is associated with deep rooted self-contempt and self-hatred.

Our lexicon includes the modern phrase "drinking the Kool Aid" due to a narcissistic asshole committing suicide and taking his followers with him.



Are we going to go with "Hitler was murdered" too?



When the jig is up and they can no longer maintain the facade, suicide is precisely what narcissistic assholes do.

[triron]

8. I find it quite likely but not wholly convinced one way or the other.

[NCjack]

2. Looks like Epstein's lawyers are trying to sell murder, not suicide. Muder is good for their

defending the validity of Epstein's will and trust, written about 2 days before his suicide.

[Hoyt]

3. Yeah, upbeat people always set up a private trust 2 days before they die (likely by suicide).

[jberryhill]

5. I love how people here are going to agree with the guys who also claim Epstein was innocent

Any port in a storm, I suppose.

[Corgigal]

4. I also thought it was a suicide,

but then the unusable footage hit. My husband tried to explain to me how it could be done, something about a needle in a coaxial cable or something.

Now I'm not sure.

[stopdiggin]

7. this will continue to be a "conspiracy" theory 50 years from now

premo conspiracy fodder. This is high profile, it will be investigated from every conceivable angle by multiple concerns .. and it will satisfy absolutely ZERO with the skeptics. Carry on.

[LanternWaste]

9. While yet others will pretend absolute knowledge

While yet others will pretend absolute knowledge of suicide while ignoring anything which doesn't validate that pretense.

Carry on, indeed...

[stopdiggin]

10. go with the evidence

and, no .. I don't believe there is any evidence that the twin towers were an "inside" job. That's just me.