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Zorro

(15,948 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:30 AM Sep 2019

Trump administration considers monitoring smartphones of people with mental health problems

The Trump administration is considering a proposal to combat mass shootings which suggests phones and smartwatches may be used to track people with mental health problems.

The idea began with Bob Wright, a former NBC chairman and longtime Trump confidant, who first proposed creating a government research arm, called the Health Advanced Research Projects Agency (HARPA), to tackle health problems.

After the El Paso massacre, Ivanka Trump asked the team behind the proposal to come up with ways to stop mass shootings, according to The Washington Post.

Mr Wright’s team put together a three-page document titled “Stopping Aberrant Fatal Events by Helping Overcome Mental Extremes”, which links mass shootings to mental health.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-considers-monitoring-smartphones-103039095.html

Oh yeah...what a smart idea....

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Trump administration considers monitoring smartphones of people with mental health problems (Original Post) Zorro Sep 2019 OP
So does that mean that MF45's phone MontanaMama Sep 2019 #1
Yep!!! Sure does make sense! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2019 #2
I'm sure cousin Vlad is already on that. Meadowoak Sep 2019 #5
The Russians have been monitoring it for, what? A decade? More? JHB Sep 2019 #12
yeah. Let's monitor the phones. Not the guns. mercuryblues Sep 2019 #3
Having already vilified the free press as an "enemy of the people," we seem to Tanuki Sep 2019 #4
+1000 Newest Reality Sep 2019 #7
Kick dalton99a Sep 2019 #6
Isn't Bob Wright snowybirdie Sep 2019 #8
Thought crime. PK Dick had so much right about our future librechik Sep 2019 #9
Then his phone and his crazy ass family should be monitored. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #10
Monitor their tweets. That's where the real lunatics go for attention. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2019 #11
So who decides who is mentally ill? What is the criteria? Joe941 Sep 2019 #13
...and who will determine 'mental health' and which 'problems'?....political appointees spanone Sep 2019 #14
I should think a good number of folks here on DU would be OK with this other than it has been... Marengo Sep 2019 #15
Why would you say that? Progressives could very well be next. brush Sep 2019 #17
If it's court ordered as a result of previous threatening or violent behaviour, maybe. meadowlander Sep 2019 #22
Slippery slope: monitor mentally ill peoples' phones; monitor LGBTQ, AA, Latinx... brush Sep 2019 #16
Agreed. Everyone monitored except MAGAts. no_hypocrisy Sep 2019 #19
Big Brother is watching...be afraid, be very afraid. Totally Tunsie Sep 2019 #18
If you write political satire, you might as well take a vacation until Trump Yavin4 Sep 2019 #20
Good Grief! And you're right, these "jokes" write themselves... Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #21

Tanuki

(14,991 posts)
4. Having already vilified the free press as an "enemy of the people," we seem to
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:50 AM
Sep 2019

be about one step removed from Soviet-style abuse of psychiatry for nefarious political purposes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

"During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used to disable and remove from society political opponents ("dissidents" ) who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted the official dogma.[4][5] The term "philosophical intoxication", for instance, was widely applied to the mental disorders diagnosed when people disagreed with the country's Communist leaders and, by referring to the writings of the Founding Fathers of Marxism–Leninism—Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Vladimir Lenin—made them the target of criticism.[6]
......
The campaign to declare political opponents mentally sick and to commit dissenters to mental hospitals began in the late 1950s and early 1960s.[38] As Vladimir Bukovsky commented on the emergence of the political abuse of psychiatry,[64] Nikita Khrushchevreckoned that it was impossible for people in a socialist society to have an anti-socialist consciousness. Whenever manifestations of dissidence could not be justified as a provocation of world imperialism or a legacy of the past, they were self-evidently the product of mental disease.[38] In a speech published in the Pravda daily newspaper on 24 May 1959, Khrushchev said:

A crime is a deviation from generally recognized standards of behavior frequently caused by mental disorder. Can there be diseases, nervous disorders among certain people in a Communist society? Evidently yes. If that is so, then there will also be offences, which are characteristic of people with abnormal minds. Of those who might start calling for opposition to Communism on this basis, we can say that clearly their mental state is not normal.[38]
.....

On 15 May 1969, a Soviet Government decree (No. 345–209) was issued "On measures for preventing dangerous behavior (acts) on the part of mentally ill persons."[80] This decree confirmed the practice of having undesirables hauled into detention by psychiatrists.[80] Soviet psychiatrists were told whom they should examine and were assured that they might detain these individuals with the help of the police or entrap them into coming to the hospital.[80]The psychiatrists thereby doubled as interrogators and as arresting officers.[80] Doctors fabricated a diagnosis requiring detention and no court decision was required for subjecting the individual to indefinite confinement in a psychiatric institution.[80]

By the end of the 1950s, confinement to a psychiatric institution had become the most commonly used method of punishing leaders of the political opposition.[9] In the 1960s and 1970s, the trials of dissenters and their referral for "treatment" to the Special Psychiatric Hospitals under MVD control and oversight[81] came out into the open, and the world learned of a wave of "psychiatric terror" which was flatly denied by those in charge of the Serbsky Institute.[82] The bulk of psychiatric repression spans the period from the late 1960s to the early 1980s.[83]As CPSU General Secretary, from November 1982 to February 1984, Yury Andropov demonstrated little patience with domestic dissafection and continued the Brezhnev Era policy of confining dissenters in mental hospitals.[84]....(more)


snowybirdie

(5,380 posts)
8. Isn't Bob Wright
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:27 AM
Sep 2019

the guy who, along with his wife, promulgated the anti vaccine movement? He thought it was HIS family's right to refuse the shots. Freedom and all. Now he wants to track US citizens by the Govt.????? Hypocrisy to the max!

librechik

(30,728 posts)
9. Thought crime. PK Dick had so much right about our future
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:33 AM
Sep 2019

And it sure beats trying to build an infrastructure and pay for lots of fully staffed clinics etc. It's just part of the "Yes, but" game Repukkkes have us chasing our tails around. We can never win like this.

IRT the gulag/mental health/ political issue--gaaah! don't even! Hadn't even thought of that!

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
13. So who decides who is mentally ill? What is the criteria?
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:18 PM
Sep 2019

Maybe he decides anyone who doesn't support tRump is mentally ill?

spanone

(136,784 posts)
14. ...and who will determine 'mental health' and which 'problems'?....political appointees
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:24 PM
Sep 2019

that's who.

When those tasked with solving the problem, are people who don't want to solve the problem...

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
15. I should think a good number of folks here on DU would be OK with this other than it has been...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:26 PM
Sep 2019

Proposed by Trump.

meadowlander

(4,554 posts)
22. If it's court ordered as a result of previous threatening or violent behaviour, maybe.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:01 AM
Sep 2019

I don't support the FBI just being able to draw up a list of "mentally ill people" and follow their phone usage for an indefinite period of time. In addition to violating their privacy rights, it's also massively inefficient and unlikely to work.

Most mass shooters don't have previous histories. It would be easier just to monitor 8chan and the other sites where they are known to congregate to egg each other on and then be able to legally compel user data from the websites when someone posts something showing an imminent threat.

Put a duty to report on the social media platforms and hold them accountable for harm resulting from the posts they allow to stand and then you'll see some action.

brush

(55,357 posts)
16. Slippery slope: monitor mentally ill peoples' phones; monitor LGBTQ, AA, Latinx...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:33 PM
Sep 2019

progressive peoples' phones; monitor moderates and anti-trumpers—hell, just monitor everyone but wingers/NRA leadership and trump's family.

Guns have nothing to do with the shootings.

Yavin4

(35,587 posts)
20. If you write political satire, you might as well take a vacation until Trump
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 04:37 PM
Sep 2019

is gone. Your services won't be needed.

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