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fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:32 PM Sep 2019

It's time to start preparing for life under Pence

And hopefully the leadership already has leads on impeaching him as well.

I've been thinking about what a Pence regime will look like. Given his fundamentalism and even far hardcore stance against womens rights, we have a long road to freedom.

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It's time to start preparing for life under Pence (Original Post) fescuerescue Sep 2019 OP
Indiana hated him. I somehow doubt his "inate charm" (eyeroll) will go over better nationally either hlthe2b Sep 2019 #1
Pence is a racist pig just like trump ! stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #2
???? Have you not been paying attention? ffr Sep 2019 #3
guess not fescuerescue Sep 2019 #14
Sorry I just assume people use the DU Google search, as well as, Google News search ffr Sep 2019 #18
I'm a political junkie fescuerescue Sep 2019 #25
It's going to be infuriating when he pardons Trump for everything. Kablooie Sep 2019 #4
Well he can't pardon state crimes. NYC Liberal Sep 2019 #16
It will actually be worse. catbyte Sep 2019 #5
BS...he will be a hobbled golem...no real life. ret5hd Sep 2019 #28
I respectfully disagree. It would've been a whole lot worse if we hadn't taken the House, but catbyte Sep 2019 #41
Pence doesn't have the cult following that Trump does. OliverQ Sep 2019 #6
Republican will fall in behind him fescuerescue Sep 2019 #15
Republicans will fall in line, but they won't jump over a cliff with him Poiuyt Sep 2019 #26
Right fescuerescue Sep 2019 #29
Next week I will have twelve chickens sarisataka Sep 2019 #7
Lol! cwydro Sep 2019 #22
Pence is toast. Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #8
Yeah even Trump already suggested throwing him under the bus at his UN presser jcgoldie Sep 2019 #10
Watch for Schiff and Company to Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #12
Indiana hates him so he can't go back there rustydog Sep 2019 #9
Trump won't tolerate that. He will destroy Pence before it happens. hunter Sep 2019 #11
Does Simplicity make patterns for burkas? Vinca Sep 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #17
Exactly. LisaL Sep 2019 #19
No harm in being optimistic. Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #21
I remember the optimism about "Mueller Time." cwydro Sep 2019 #23
Point taken. Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #24
I remember Fitzmas. No way the Senate convicts. We need to prepare for #Traitor post impeachment Arazi Sep 2019 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #38
Any reign that Pence hopes to have will be very short lived so I ain't preparing for shit. nt UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #20
"Life under Pence" means the inmate who has the bunk under him. Miles Archer Sep 2019 #27
There is no way Trump will willingly allow Pence to be president. GreenEyedLefty Sep 2019 #31
Is that up to Trump? fescuerescue Sep 2019 #32
I did say "willingly" - that is to say if he had any control over it GreenEyedLefty Sep 2019 #42
"Mike Pence is up to his albino eyebrows in this" GreenEyedLefty Sep 2019 #30
Trump not going anywhere folks. beachbumbob Sep 2019 #33
I wouldn't think Moscow Mitch had a choice about this... cynatnite Sep 2019 #35
no, nothing in the constituion mandates a trial to be held with in any timeframe beachbumbob Sep 2019 #43
I don't think Pence will go... Xolodno Sep 2019 #34
I hope that Pence is impeached at the same time as Trump. Dan Sep 2019 #36
That "women are allowed to vote" thing was never going to catch on..... brooklynite Sep 2019 #39
Where is trump going? GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #40
this is true, the only way trump is gone is if he resigns and he will never do that and will proceed beachbumbob Sep 2019 #44
He is toast DiverDave Sep 2019 #45

hlthe2b

(102,104 posts)
1. Indiana hated him. I somehow doubt his "inate charm" (eyeroll) will go over better nationally either
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:34 PM
Sep 2019

Not to mention, he's involved in much of this crap to his eyeballs. AND, though he might be pressed to pardon Trump, he damned well knows that if he did, like Ford, it would be the absolute end of his career. He still might do it, thinking it would keep Trump's base, but somehow I doubt that would be enough.

Sure the "never trumpsters" would rallly behind him, but the hard core "base" would likely not.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
18. Sorry I just assume people use the DU Google search, as well as, Google News search
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:23 PM
Sep 2019

as much as I do.

Type in things like Pence Zelensky or Pence Ukraine or Pence corruption.

But here are some quick links
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142373528
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212506849
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212499790
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212492665


Pence has weekly lunches with tRump. Pence is tRump's foreign policy guy and has spoken on multiple occasions with Zelensky about "corruption" hint hint (the Bidens) wink wink, so it would have to be a stretch that Pence knew anything about tRump's guilt, since everyone around tRump is involved in tRump's filthy guilt. But Pence probably not. Nothing to see here. Squeaky clean.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
25. I'm a political junkie
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:37 PM
Sep 2019

and I spend a ridiculous amount of time online. Nonetheless sometimes news happens without letting me know.

Let's put aside the snarkiness for a moment (both of us).

Here's the thing.

While I think it's conceivable that Senate will convict Trump. It's also conceivable that the Senate will convict Pence.

But they will not. Not In a million years. A billion years, convict both at the same time, thereby handing over the Whitehouse to the Democratic Party.

I think they might throw Trump out. His baggage is getting to much. But they won't touch Pence or hold the trial for him until after Pence is elevated, Pence selects a new VP and they confirm him.

It could go the other way to. Throw out Pence as an offering and keep Trump. But I think that's the least likely scenario.

Kablooie

(18,605 posts)
4. It's going to be infuriating when he pardons Trump for everything.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:36 PM
Sep 2019

We may never get to see why Trump is so terrified of his taxes getting out.


catbyte

(34,325 posts)
41. I respectfully disagree. It would've been a whole lot worse if we hadn't taken the House, but
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:25 PM
Sep 2019

he's one vile, scary MF. I live in Michigan close to the Indiana border and I've seen the shit he's pulled and tried to pull there. He's a True Believer, a Christofascist of the first order. You think MF45's judicial nominees are scary? You ain't seen nothin' yet if that horror show moves into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Our best hope is that he's so compromised and tainted by the stink of that thing currently infesting the White House that he'll be impotent. The gop would love him, though.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
6. Pence doesn't have the cult following that Trump does.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:40 PM
Sep 2019

I'm hoping he'll be much weaker since neither side actually likes him.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
15. Republican will fall in behind him
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:11 PM
Sep 2019

after trump is impeached.

Party loyalty is everything to Republicans. That's all that really matters to them

Poiuyt

(18,112 posts)
26. Republicans will fall in line, but they won't jump over a cliff with him
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:43 PM
Sep 2019

Trump is a cult leader, Pence is boring as hell.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
29. Right
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:59 PM
Sep 2019

But they will take boring over the opposition party every minute of every day for the next 1,000 years.

Frankly, we would do no less.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
22. Lol!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:43 PM
Sep 2019

So true. Well played.

I actually do own chickens, but I really won’t know until tomorrow which of my ladies has chosen to lay.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Pence is toast.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:45 PM
Sep 2019

His name popped up as the one who suggested the burying of the Whistle Blower and Ukrainian phone transcripts.

jcgoldie

(11,610 posts)
10. Yeah even Trump already suggested throwing him under the bus at his UN presser
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:05 PM
Sep 2019

“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation, because he had a couple of conversations also,” Trump said at a news conference on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Watch for Schiff and Company to
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:51 PM
Sep 2019

take him out with Trump. Pence and his Brothers are as Corrupt as they come.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
9. Indiana hates him so he can't go back there
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:03 PM
Sep 2019

Sharia Law Pence will be horrible as President. He needs to be removed with Trump. If not, Then Democrats have to retake the House and Senate with overwhelming numbers to put a stop to the GOPs death grip on shadowing Sharia Law in their belief, speeches and legislative actions as they decry the evil of Sharia Law.

hunter

(38,301 posts)
11. Trump won't tolerate that. He will destroy Pence before it happens.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:50 PM
Sep 2019

Pence's only job in Trump's twisted mind is to protect Trump. If Pence fails that he's toast. Trump will expose every dark ugly thing in Pence's closet. Trump will blame everything that went wrong on Pence.

Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
19. Exactly.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:32 PM
Sep 2019

WTF should we be preparing for life under Pence when chances of Trump being convicted by the senate are non-existent?

Turin_C3PO

(13,896 posts)
21. No harm in being optimistic.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:40 PM
Sep 2019

There is a chance, however remote, that public opinion could force the GOP Senators’ hands to convict.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. I remember the optimism about "Mueller Time."
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:44 PM
Sep 2019

I remember the posters here who crowed that that would be the end of the shitstain.

Didn’t work out that way.

Turin_C3PO

(13,896 posts)
24. Point taken.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:47 PM
Sep 2019

Conviction is certainly not at all likely. But my hope is that maybe a few Repubs will vote to convict and it can be sold as a non-partisan action.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
37. I remember Fitzmas. No way the Senate convicts. We need to prepare for #Traitor post impeachment
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:53 PM
Sep 2019

He's going to be stark raving mad

Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #21)

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
27. "Life under Pence" means the inmate who has the bunk under him.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:47 PM
Sep 2019

Trump threw Pence under the bus, and I don't think he's finished. If Trump goes down, he's taking Pence with him. A more accurate statement would be "It's time to start preparing for President Pelosi."

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
32. Is that up to Trump?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:27 PM
Sep 2019

Trump can't impeach Pence. Trump cannot simply select a new VP.

If Trump goes, Pence becomes President automatically.

The only thing that Trump could do is to implicate Pence, but that is meaningless unless the Senate acts on it. And there is no way in hell will the Senate convict Trump and Pence simultaneously and hand over the 1/3 of the government to the opposition.

Trump is long for the ride on this one.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
42. I did say "willingly" - that is to say if he had any control over it
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:19 AM
Sep 2019

I do believe that when and if the ship starts to sink he will do all he can to bring Pence down with him. Hell, he's already started and we're only in the beginning-to-put-an-inquiry-together phase.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
30. "Mike Pence is up to his albino eyebrows in this"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019

One of my favorite quotes from the Stephanie Miller show.

Mike Pence is as shady as he is obsequious.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
33. Trump not going anywhere folks.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:36 PM
Sep 2019

He won't resign
McConnel will not hold trial
He will be on the ticket to be reelected.


Understand this is the only path Gop has. We must launch the greatest voter registration drive and GOTV effort in history for Nov 2020 and set modern day record of people voting democratic.


That will be our only path.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
35. I wouldn't think Moscow Mitch had a choice about this...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:38 PM
Sep 2019

He's constitutionally obligated.

Not that I think tRump will be removed.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
34. I don't think Pence will go...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:37 PM
Sep 2019

...unless there is a transcript of him breaking the law. Then the Senate would push him to resign and get Trump to select a their guy (and he will, or they will threaten to do worse to him and leak, enable, etc. every financial investigation from here to the moon and he will be broke living on welfare).

But Pence is neutered and his job will be to do one thing, don't rock the boat and jeopardize any GOP's Congress chances. Be as dull and boring and Mike Pence.

Dan

(3,536 posts)
36. I hope that Pence is impeached at the same time as Trump.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:44 PM
Sep 2019

This would prevent Pence from assuming the role of president and identifying his own Vice President. Also, by impeaching both at the same time - if removed - Nancy would become the president.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
40. Where is trump going?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:36 PM
Sep 2019

He will not be removed from office. He will not resign.

We still have to beat him in 2020.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
44. this is true, the only way trump is gone is if he resigns and he will never do that and will proceed
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:48 AM
Sep 2019

with scorched earth policies to the point that the 25th amendment MIGHT be invoked.

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