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Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

Trump is not mentally ill or crazy

He is an aged doddering sociopath narcissist authoritarian. Quit lumping trump monster with the mentally ill or the stigma reinforcing words like crazy.
He is falling apart because the ego of a narcissist is fragile once you expose his games and tear away the mask they wear because they are empty and devoid of empathy. He fears he is a loser ,and the republicans are also sociopath narcissist and authoritarian too. It is a part of who they are. Which is not mental illness or trauma inflicted wounds.
Trumps personality is who he is is the problem,not a mental illness.

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Reply Trump is not mentally ill or crazy (Original post)
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 OP
JonLP24 Sep 2019 #1
JonLP24 Sep 2019 #48
no_hypocrisy Sep 2019 #2
C_U_L8R Sep 2019 #3
Arthur_Frain Sep 2019 #4
Baitball Blogger Sep 2019 #5
Garrett78 Sep 2019 #6
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #11
H2O Man Sep 2019 #7
Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #8
hlthe2b Sep 2019 #9
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #14
hlthe2b Sep 2019 #17
USALiberal Sep 2019 #41
hlthe2b Sep 2019 #43
cornball 24 Sep 2019 #10
Doitnow Sep 2019 #29
tblue37 Sep 2019 #12
shockey80 Sep 2019 #13
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #15
NurseJackie Sep 2019 #16
shockey80 Sep 2019 #19
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #24
Skittles Sep 2019 #42
lunamagica Sep 2019 #44
ismnotwasm Sep 2019 #18
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #34
JCMach1 Sep 2019 #20
Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #21
gordianot Sep 2019 #22
evemac Sep 2019 #23
The Liberal Lion Sep 2019 #25
Doreen Sep 2019 #26
Left-face Sep 2019 #27
Ligyron Sep 2019 #37
thegoose Sep 2019 #28
chowder66 Sep 2019 #30
Pepsidog Sep 2019 #31
dawnie51 Sep 2019 #32
Baked Potato Sep 2019 #33
certainot Sep 2019 #35
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #36
certainot Sep 2019 #38
NCLefty Sep 2019 #39
Pacifist Patriot Sep 2019 #40
live love laugh Sep 2019 #45
UTUSN Sep 2019 #46
canetoad Sep 2019 #47
Joe941 Sep 2019 #49

Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:56 AM

1. I agree

I have mental illness myself and am a loyal Democrat.

One thing about him is he can never admit he's wrong.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:31 AM

48. Looks like our posts made it on the conservative cave

Anyways I'm not going to apologize for having mental illness.

My point with my post was that being evil or a racist conservative is not a mental illness. What is your excuse conservatives?

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:57 AM

2. Couldn't agree more.

Personal experience talking.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:57 AM

3. He's an asshole

And a crook. Thatís all anyone needs to know.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:57 AM

4. Curious if this was prompted by this mornings rant on the tarmac?

Seriously, men in white should have been moving in. He was babbling. Again.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:59 AM

5. I would like to believe that he's a throwback to a generation that

devolved to worst kind of person, influenced by untethered capitalism and deregulation.

But I am afraid that it's not a generational thing.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:59 AM

6. Narcissism is a mental illness, though I do get your overall point.

Racism, sexism and greed drive the train. Greed for wealth and power. Racism and sexism as the primary tools to acquire said wealth and power. That's the Republican Party of the last 50+ years in a nutshell.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:08 AM

11. Trumps lack of consience is who he is

It's a bad personality not a mental illness
A mental illness can heal via therapy a sociopath gets worse with therapy and the narcissist never heals because it's who they are.mental illness definition has a hope of recovery. Sociopath narcissist and authoritarians cannot be healed because it's who they are. Mental retardation cannot be cured it is what it is,likewise certain personalities bad people do not change it can't be helped via therapy any more than therapy cures retardation.
That is the difference.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:59 AM

7. Recommended.

Thank you. He is a sociopath. He does not suffer from a major mental illness. Rather, the nation suffers from his personality.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:04 AM

8. Trump doesn't "fear" he's a loser, he KNOWS it...

A narcissist's biggest fear is that his weakness will be exposed. What he fears is that everybody will see that he is a loser. That's why he cheats, lies, and steals his way to "success."

That is why narcissists don't tolerate being made fun of. It is a public display of his weakness. A cardinal rule in any gang or authoritarian society is "Nobody laughs at the boss." In the end, that rule has to be enforced above all others. That is why the first 3 commandments emphasize the ultimate authority of God.



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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:06 AM

9. He's a malignant narcissist--not mental illness but personality disorder AND experiencing dementia

signs and symptoms. Not end-stage by any means, but progressed sufficiently to be noticeable if you study him over the past years and months. From his frequent dilated pupils, dry mouth, intermittent uncontrolled mouth movements and sweating-- and balance issues, he is medicated as well. Given he is not consistently showing the same side effects, it may well be a combination of "indicated" specifically prescribed medications and perhaps those that may be more targeted to "getting him through his rallies and other public events (e.g., adderall that he reportedly used in the past) on days when he needs the highly stimulating effects of amphetamine.

No, he is not mentally ill. He is, however a very disturbed individual whose personality defects are made even worse by his need to compensate for the progressive loss of mental and physical function. Malignant narcissists frequently decompensate into paranoia and abusive attacks when their behaviors or failures are pointed out. And that is Trump now to a "t".

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:14 AM

14. I agree with the assessment of

Trump having some form of dementia.
But he isn't mentally ill.

Sociopath narcissist or authoritarians
Should be kept seperates from people who have mental illness and trauma wounding.

Narcissists should not be tolerated and treated as if they have a mental illness
Keep them seperated from vulnerable people in treatment/recovery. For they are toxic to others.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:25 AM

17. I repeatedly stated he is not mentally ill. Malignant Narcissism is not a mental illess as I stated

repeatedly, but a personality disorder that is closely associated with the category of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:10 PM

41. I love DUers remote diagnosis! nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:25 PM

43. Ahem... You have apparently not followed the voices of the large numbers of psychiatrists

and associated neurologists and mental health professionals who have spoken out both publicy under "duty to warn" in opposition to the Goldwater era APA "rule" that takes no notice of the scores of media material available over decades of time to evaluate in our current era.

Nothing I posted is inconsistent with those interpretations.

Try starting with Dr. Bandy Lee (Yale Forensic Psychiatrist who convened the first conference of similarly concerned mental health professions https://theglobepost.com/2019/04/08/yale-psychiatrist-donald-trump/ culminating with the group "Duty to Warn"
https://twitter.com/duty2warn

and the writings of David Reiss, MD (https://twitter.com/duty2warn)
John Talmadge, MD https://twitter.com/duty2warn


as a start. If you have any medical professionals in hour household, I can direct them to some member-only forums of neurological professionals to peruse as well.

But, your comment, though unwarranted is noted. Enjoy your Saturday.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:06 AM

10. I label Dump in one word-EVIL!

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Response to cornball 24 (Reply #10)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:32 PM

29. Exactly!

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:09 AM

12. With both Trump & Giuliani it's hard to distinguish between hubris & dementia. nt

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:13 AM

13. I can honestly tell you, Trump is seriously mentally ill.

I know because I work with the mentally ill. I am starting to believe Trump suffers from delusions. Trump does not hear things or see people who are not there. I have worked with people like that. His delusions are more subtle. The way Trump looked at, took the Mueller report was not normal. He saw something that was not there, it did not exist. He believed it cleared him.

Trump may be more dangerous than we realize.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:19 AM

15. He is panicking because

He is being exposed as the piece of shit he is.he might look mentally ill,he is not. He's mad because he's been busted.i wouldn't look past trump looking to appear mentally ill for pity. Once you pity a monster like him he takes advantage.
He may have Alzheimer's maybe that's why he appears to be mentally ill.
Other than dementia he knows what he's doing.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:21 AM

16. Thank you.

You've described and explained things perfectly. I totally agree with you.

I'm certainly not inclined to be one of those who ONLY attributes his behavior to simple meanness or authoritarianism. It's not an insult to other mentally ill people to frankly and honestly state that Trump is also mentally ill. Words like "crazy" and "idiot" have lost any stigma they may have had back in the day. I have no problem with calling him a "kook" or "loon" either.

His behavior can easily be explained by his inappropriate use of drugs or his unwillingness to use the ones that could actually help him.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 12:07 PM

19. Exactly, thank you.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:14 PM

24. tRump's narcissism is so extreme that it borders on mentally ill. Regardless, a serious condition


Yes, he does suffer from delusions because his narcissism is so extreme that he has great difficulty conceiving that he could do any wrong.

Plus his narcissism causes him to indulge in the most extreme forms of confirmation bias; Dunning-Kreuger syndrome.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:22 PM

42. some seem to think people with personality disorders cannot also be mentally ill

I agree - Trump is a sick, sick man

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:32 PM

44. I agree

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

18. Agree

Also, itís good to see you back

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:00 PM

34. Glad to be back

I missed being on DU

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 12:10 PM

20. agree but you left off SCAM ARTIST

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:00 PM

21. I think he's a case of arrested development,

along with many of the things mentioned above. He has the mind of a 10-12 year old child, and he behaves like one. He has never had to be an adult or deal with adult consequences.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:03 PM

22. Personality disorders can be associated with what some call mental illness.

Being mentally ill does not mean you cannot control or be responsible for your behavior or that you do not understand right or wrong (insanity). It appears to me he may have panic attacks and is lapping up on the shores of Paranoia.

The best summary statement I have heard is that Donald Trump is like no one you have ever met in real life. I have worked with people that require two people in the same room. I would never want to be in the same room with Trump.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:07 PM

23. Cluster B Personality Disorder n/t

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:18 PM

26. Despite the fact I am not religious

I truly believe he is evil. I do believe he has those issues but they are not because of mental illness it is just evil.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:23 PM

27. I absolutely agree

I refuse to lend credence to the notion he gets any sort of pass for conditions beyond his control. He's a criminal plain and simple.

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Response to Left-face (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:27 PM

37. Thank you.

Yeah, no mental illness as a defense at his trials or consideration at his sentencing,

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:24 PM

28. He's just playing his con game on the world stage

This worked when he fucked over business partners, but not in the real world. And he just can't stand it.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:38 PM

30. Perfect. "He is an aged doddering sociopath narcissist authoritarian".

If he's mentally ill, he sure is high functioning.... considering how well he has done for himself even if it's done through grifting and conning.

I think you're right that what people are seeing is his narcissistic response to being rejected time and time again. He has zero coping skills for this other than abuse. When his abuse isn't working like he wants it to he regresses to childlike behaviors where a child has a tantrum because they can't understand why they aren't getting what they want or getting their way.

Does he have signs of dementia or alzheimers? Is it oxygen deprived dementia (sniffing all the time)? Who knows.
Without an exam by professional board certified doctor, I think 'aged doddering' is no doubt an apt description.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:43 PM

31. Thank goodness he is to stupid to have a plan.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:49 PM

32. I clerked a psych unit....

for 25 years. This thread is pretty accurate. This guy needs a deep eval with professionals, but it will never happen, unless perhaps he is bound over by the courts. The oceans of venom in this one would take a long time to get out, and the getting out of all that would no doubt trigger a total break with any form of reality. It would be straight jacket time for sure.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:44 PM

33. Just another rich asshole

Thinks heís a chosen one.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:06 PM

35. he has a classic bad very bad case of sex on the wrong brain

two of the main symptoms of sowb are greed and authoritarianism and it is caused when impatient satisfaction-demanding reproductive impulses are diverted to the left side of the brain. which is what happens when you learn sex with the right hand. it used to be a survival benefit and that's why 90% of humans are now right handed.

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Response to certainot (Reply #35)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:12 PM

36. I can

Use both my hands,for eating I use my left hand for brushing my teeth I use both hands ,both hands when I paint right for writing and drawing. Throwing catching my a ball ,both
I wonder how many people are ambidextrous in this country?

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:04 PM

38. i think you're lucky!i saw something on that and can't remember the figures, however

apparently there's a wide range either side of being truly ambidextrous, or equally adept at everything with both hands

i grew up right handed, and still mostly am

you might be interested in
"right hand left hand" by chris mcmanus - a major researcher of handedness
"a left hand turn around the world" by ? was interesting
and "the master and his emissary - the divided brain and the making of the western world"

and if you were ever persecuted for using your left hand - "sex on the wrong brain" by ard falten

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:06 PM

39. It's possible that he's multiple of these things at the same time: dumb, crazy, demented, etc.

It doesn't just have to be one thing.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:09 PM

40. I have been screaming this since early 2016.

Thank you! It can't be said enough.

I'll just add he does appear to have significant cognitive and neurological degeneration as well. He's an awful person with a mess of a brain.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:57 PM

45. Narcissism is a mental illness isn't it? 🤷‍♀️

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #45)

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:15 PM

46. Yip, was going to say, lots of clinical words in the o.p., plus ageist & other pejoratives

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Sun Sep 29, 2019, 03:20 AM

47. K&R Agree

Good to see you!

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Original post)

Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:40 AM

49. Agreed. Attributing mental illness to tRumps behavior is tantamount to excusing his behavior...

 

Remember he needs to be prosecuted and put in jail after leaving office. He is not mentally ill - he is just evil.

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