A California man attacks man wearing a "Make America Great Again" in Russian

[Generic Other]

Last edited Thu Oct 3, 2019, 06:45 PM - Edit history (1)

David Delgado, of Winnetka, was arrested Tuesday by the Hermosa Beach Police Department in Los Angeles County.

Authorities said the incident occurred on September 2, when Delgado and the other man were in a bathroom of a Hermosa Beach restaurant.

Delgado noticed the hat and purportedly asked the man what the Russian lettering meant. When the unidentified individual told him the hat said, "Make America Great Again," Delgado then repeatedly punched him until he fell to the ground, Sgt. Robert Higgins said.

Delgado then stole the hat and fled, Higgins added.

Law enforcement said they were able to identify Delgado through security footage. He is currently being held on $100,000 bond.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-arrested-alleged-assault-over-hat-make-america-great-again-n1061426


ON EDIT: I posted this because I thought a Trumper attacked someone making fun of Trump by suggesting he's a Russian asset. Am I wrong?

[NoMoreRepugs]

1. Shouldn't the Orange Menace be putting up his bail??

[sakabatou]

3. You think Trump cares about individual cult members?

[LeftInTX]

7. The guy wearing the hat was punched

[Generic Other]

23. I think the guy wearing the hat was protesting Trump

Calling him a Russian asset. Maybe I was wrong. If so, the guy punching him may have mistaken his intent too? Now I am confused.

[Blue_true]

4. Violence against MAGATS that are obeying the law just plays into their hands.

The cap wearer was a crude asshole, but he was not violating any laws or immediately trying to harm anyone (though his message has harmed plenty).

[Blue_true]

9. If a proud boy was alleged to have beaten up a POC or LGBTQ, we would rightfully demand his head.

Even if, as you claimed, all facts maybe were not known. There is no reason to treat this situation any different.

I live in Florida in a red county. I don't wear clothing or have stickers on my car that could provoke MAGATS.

[Blue_true]

15. You are defending the indefensible. Same to you, enjoy what is left of summer. nt

[NutmegYankee]

8. The fact that the text is in russian makes me think it was a parody hat.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4096322/Alec-Baldwin-mocks-Donald-Trump-Russian-language-Make-America-Great-cap-walking-wife-Hilaria.html

[Newest Reality]

12. Wait, yeah...

That's what I thought right off the bat!

Wouldn't having the phrase in Russian be a parody alluding to Putin/Trump?

[Blue_true]

13. You make a good point.

Unfortunately one person decided to use his fists instead of getting clarification.

[LeftInTX]

19. Only Baldwin would be able to get away with this...LOL

[Generic Other]

25. Why would a MAGA wear a MAGA hat ID'ing them as Russians?

I think it was mocking them.

[Blue_true]

31. Maybe.

But the other guy didn't get the subtlety, apparently.

[Generic Other]

32. That is why we have a :sarcasm: smiley around here

It reminds me of a story my dad always told about the Hoover/Roosevelt election. He was out carousing in Newark after the election, and a gang of men asked him who he voted for. He said, "Roosevelt, of course." The men, all Republicans, beat him up. Later, he met another gang of men who asked who he voted for. He said "Hoover," so he wouldn't "get beaten to a pulp," and he got beat up again because they were for Roosevelt. He loved telling this story.

I always thought that politics sounded pretty brutal back then. Now, however, I can see how it happens. More than once my fists have itched to punch a Republican in the last few years!

[Blue_true]

34. I try to avoid getting really overheated. It is just common sense, there is just too much gun

fascination these days. Plus, if I punch someone, even someone that is a loathsome asshole, while not defending my life, and that person ends up dead, I would never forgive myself. People are fragile in many ways, better to not react and move on.

[Generic Other]

35. I only want to punch a select few

They are safe as they are protected by a TV screen however.

[Blue_true]

37. Even I have to admit that if I came face to face with Hannity, I have no idea of whether I keep

my cool.

[Generic Other]

40. I would contribute to the defense fund!

[sarisataka]

17. I suspect the hat wearer

Was doing so sarcastically and the assailant was an offended Trump supporter.
Do you still say "Choices have consequences too... Lucky he just got his ass beat and the hat taken"

[Igel]

22. Here's a disquieting meta comment:

A lot of people seem to be saying the morality and therefore presumed legality of hitting a stranger in public because of something he's wearing depends on whether they're on our team or the opposite team.

Not that it's wrong to go up and batter a stranger based on possibly offensive speech that, in fact, was harmless until it was translated and interpreted.

I can only imagine the parallel conversation on other websites and how we'd react--"It's okay to beat up a lib because, well, he's a lib and doesn't really deserve the same rights *real* people do" wouldn't be met with discussion as to whether the stimulus was misinterpreted or not.

[sarisataka]

33. Very true

The idea that we can use violence against those we disagree with simply opens the door for others to do the same. It is the opposite of liberal or progressive.

[Generic Other]

26. Me too

Guess he needed a emoji for some here to get it.

[Joe941]

42. Im sure the perp was a tRump supporter...

That's the kind of thing they do.

[Cartoonist]

5. Just guessing here

But couldn't the use of Russian be sarcastic? I saw someone on DU spell Trump using Russian characters.

[NutmegYankee]

11. Tяump

[Generic Other]

27. Seriously I am certain no real MAGA would wear that hat in Russian

They do not believe they are Putin puppets.

[Newest Reality]

14. I can see that this story seems vaugue...

I would like to compare my interpretation:

The guy wearing the hat was wearing it as a parody/protest. Yes?

The guy who asked him what it meant was angry once he found that out and acted out violently, attacking the man and stealing the hat.

My conclusion, the perpetrator was a Trump supporter who resented the Trump/Putin allusion.

[Blue_true]

18. You could be right, but the punishment for assault with injury should be the same. nt

[Newest Reality]

20. Of course...

[dustyscamp]

21. I don't think any of them were Trump supporters

The guy wearing the Russian Maga hat maybe was making fun of Russia & Trump. I could be wrong and he could be a magat who supports Russia and Trump

The man who attacked the Russian Maga hat guy probably attacked him because he thought he was a Trump supporter anyway

[Generic Other]

28. I hope that wasn't the scenario

but we do have problems with critical thinking in this country.

[LisaL]

38. That's what it sounds like to me as well.

Which is precisely why nobody should be attacking someone for slogans on their hat.

[Mugu]

39. That was my first thought as well. n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

24. It's a parody hat, folks. As worn by Alec Baldwin. It's mocking Rump.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4096322/Alec-Baldwin-mocks-Donald-Trump-Russian-language-Make-America-Great-cap-walking-wife-Hilaria.html

Available on eBay, 14.99 I think. I got one. Got some dirty looks, but haven't been punched out (yet).

[Generic Other]

29. Thank you

No MAGA worth his salt is wearing a hat Alec Baldwin would wear!

[keithbvadu2]

36. It's complicated with unsure meaning/intent, interpretation, and unsure rationalization(s) for the r

It's complicated with unsure meaning/intent, interpretation, and unsure rationalization(s) for the reaction.

[Joe941]

41. The hat was purposely being provocative.