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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGood point. Farmers get used as a pawn by tRump.
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Whos going to tell farmers that Trump bankrupted them not to get a better trade deal, but to force China to help him personally cheat to win 2020.
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)Farming is big business where I lived.
Big business wanted trump. And will vote for him again.
lame54
(35,331 posts)hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)The lone valiant farmer struggling to eke an existence from his hardscrabble farm thats the image President Trump wants you to think about when contemplating the $28 billion in bailouts hes spending to cover farm losses from his trade war.
Think again. The vast majority of the dollars flowing to the agriculture industry via the bailouts is likely to go to farms with annual revenues of several million dollars. Most of them are major beneficiaries of federal crop support programs that steer billions in subsidies and low-priced crop insurance including insurance that already covers some of their losses in the trade war.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)support check to pay them off.
100% Probably with a little note, VOTE for me! i'll take care of you.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)The lone valiant farmer struggling to eke an existence from his hardscrabble farm thats the image President Trump wants you to think about when contemplating the $28 billion in bailouts hes spending to cover farm losses from his trade war.
Think again. The vast majority of the dollars flowing to the agriculture industry via the bailouts is likely to go to farms with annual revenues of several million dollars. Most of them are major beneficiaries of federal crop support programs that steer billions in subsidies and low-priced crop insurance including insurance that already covers some of their losses in the trade war.
bluestarone
(17,067 posts)My money is North Dakota votes for tRUMP in 2020!
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)themselves, there's little pity to go around for the likes of them. (I do feel sorry for Dem voting farmers in Red States though).
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)farmer who lost $20K to get a check for $200K.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)The lone valiant farmer struggling to eke an existence from his hardscrabble farm thats the image President Trump wants you to think about when contemplating the $28 billion in bailouts hes spending to cover farm losses from his trade war.
Think again. The vast majority of the dollars flowing to the agriculture industry via the bailouts is likely to go to farms with annual revenues of several million dollars. Most of them are major beneficiaries of federal crop support programs that steer billions in subsidies and low-priced crop insurance including insurance that already covers some of their losses in the trade war.
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Suicide rates among small farmers have been historically high as well and appear to be climbing.
It is wrong to demonize the little guys, even if they are foolish to have voted for Trump.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Nobody is demonizing the little guy. But, I and a lot of people here have probably had to give up a job they love and retrain for, or start over, for/in something else because of economic realities. Farmers, solo physicians, buggy whip makers, bank clerks, etc., have all been through it. Yes, it's sad, but it's reality.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)But your sympathy for large commercial/industrial farms is quite interesting. Are big banks among your sympathetic focus as well?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)someone who lost $200K.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)advance strawmen arguments as I find it highly deceitful as a tactic. So have a good day but I'm done with you.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)while USDA Secretary Purdue has essentially told them that small farms are outdated and should be expected to fail.
They've been duped, but I can't feel anything but extreme sadness for them.
MuseRider
(34,135 posts)I am a small farmer. It is a working farm and I do it myself but it actually would be called a hobby farm most likely. I grow and sell a crop but I do not have to to get by. IOW, I make no money I only make what I need to feed the livestock that I keep for myself. Not for food.
There are a lot of small farmers around here who did vote for Trump but I never see them anymore. Used to see them at the feed store. There were quite a few who would never have even considered him. But, we all go down with the talking points don't we.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)He raised a family including 3 daughters in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. But, things change.
Sad, but economic reality.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)disgusting. I have no dog in this fight, though my grandfather was the epitome of a small farmer in rural US years ago. But, I have followed this for years.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)who are no longer needed. What do you propose we should do about it?
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)get a check for $200K like the large farm that lost $300K or more?
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)as to be too late. I surely hope when things go badly for you in whatever business you involve yourself and purely for reasons unrelated to anything you did--that there are those who are more compassionate than you
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Mexicans, etc.
Second off, have you looked at the schedule of subsidies. Sure, larger farms get more, mainly because they lost more.
But, there is also a cap on the payment. So large farms are limited to what they get. Some large farms have tried to position themselves to get around that cap somewhat, but it's still capped. So they are likely getting a smaller percentage of their loss. Personally, any farm taking steps to get get around caps to some degree should be penalized, even if what they are doing is not illegal.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Administration put a Grain Embargo on Russia,it took less than a blink of and eye for the Media to crucify Carter and many a Farmer today still blames the Dems for that move.