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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's lawyers argued that releasing his tax information would cause Trump "Irreparable harm".
Let that sink in for a moment or two.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)their tax returns and no harm, irreparable or otherwise, has resulted.
I wonder why Trump's are different.....?
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)I'M GUILTY!
sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)sagetea
(1,368 posts)his mouth has already done that. The moldy orange, is broke, and he's a feared...boo f*cking hoo!
sage
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)"Your honor, the video tape clearly showing me holding up the bank tellers with a gun and demanding they give me all their cash will cause irreparable harm to me if you allow the Jury to see it, so I demand that you not allow it as evidence."
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Good God, have they ever thought of the precedent they're setting?
(not that Dems would ever err on the side of lawlessness)
tanyev
(42,552 posts)dchill
(38,484 posts)...and a little thing we call "the rule of law."
FBaggins
(26,732 posts)Its legalese for you cant un-crack an egg
When a court considers a temporary stay on a ruling, they weigh the appeals likelihood of success on the merits... and the harm involved in not granting the stay.
This just says it wont matter if I win later if they get the returns now.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)and can't be reversed once they are released in a ruling is overturned, neither can the hundreds of fraud lawsuits that follow from his creditors once they see his real tax returns for the first time.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)He has to show what the precise harm would be if the tax returns are released. That harm can't be speculative or just a risk. He must present specific facts to support his claim of harm.
Then he must show that that harm would be irreparable - that that it could not be remedied with money or other compensation.
That would be very difficult in this situation, especially since he repeatedly said he would release his returns as soon as he got through his fake audit. So he's already publicly agreed to do that which he now says would cause him such enormous harm that a federal court must step in and stop someone else from doing it.
I can't imagine how he could convince a court at this point that release of tax returns - something every other president has done in the last half century - would cause him any harm, irreparable or otherwise, unless, of course, he admits there's something in his returns that is embarrassing or illegal. And since being embarrassed or implicated in a crime is not the kind of harm an injunction is intended to prevent, I think he's screwed on this one.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)what, exactly, is in the tax returns that will irreparably harm him if Congress knows what's in them?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)It would be different if there wasn't a long history of other presidents and presidential candidates releasing their returns and there was something unusual about his doing so. But the only way to support an argument of harm is to offer evidence that there's something special and unique about his returns that makes releasing them somehow work to his detriment in a way other people's releasevof their returns didn't. And since he previously said he would release them and the only thing stopping him was the imaginary audits, it's kind of hard for him to argue that.
It will be interesting to see what the court rules.
unblock
(52,208 posts)But he still has to make the case that the release would cause harm. Just because you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube doesn't mean squeezing the tube was damaging.
So what's the harm?
If they prove he's a liar, well, that's already well-established.
If they reveal he's a tax evader, well, i suspect that revealing that isn't a recognized "harm".
So I think he'd have to show that his returns would cause him problems a a businessman because they hurt his negotiating position or something.
dchill
(38,484 posts)UpInArms
(51,282 posts)Would cause him irreparable harm.
F these people
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)world wide wally
(21,742 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)elleng
(130,895 posts)Let's watch the court of appeals require it.
global1
(25,242 posts)wildflowergardener
(912 posts)If hes got nothing to hide, whats the problem?
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Takket
(21,563 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)meadowlander
(4,395 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,956 posts)But if he's done something illegal it needs to be known.
Beausoleil
(2,843 posts)Because of the irreparable harm done to GWB
If they let the recount happen.
Worked then.
We've been down this road before.
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)Our only real weapon against his lawlessness, no their lawlessness is the courts. We may win all the way up to the SC but that body looks even more tainted than in GW's time. I sure hope someone can point out I'm wrong.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)it's because he's even been lying about how much he makes or he's not been paying his taxes
Roland99
(53,342 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)nt
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)We can't unsee his tax returns once they are out. So if he can convince the court that both he's likely to win - AND - that seeing his tax returns would cause him irreparable harm, the court can hold off the damage until after it determines whether he actually wins or not.
woodsprite
(11,913 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,148 posts)Every defendant would LOVE this legal precedent. It basically overturns the rule of law.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)moondust
(19,979 posts)Just needed more corrupt lawyers.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)It seems they violated his 5th Amendment rights to self incrimination. Tax laws were corrected and that should not happen again.
bdamomma
(63,846 posts)bad for don the con, he's in the frying pan he needs to show his returns. Period.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Spending the remainder of your life in a correctional facility would qualify as irreparable harm. The converse, of course, is that a criminal shitbag not held to account for their heinous actions harms every damn one of us and erodes the rule of law. Lock the fucker up already! Lock the fucker up!
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)It's a feature, not a bug
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)tclambert
(11,085 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)grumpyduck
(6,232 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Gonna try the same argument...
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)DownFromTheMountain
(226 posts)Join the rest of us M************************************er
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)What an idiot. And shame on his lawyers for making such dishonest claims
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Could it be that the harm will be to that claim, along with him being completely funded by Russia?
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Tikki
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)would cause W Bush "irreparable harm"...
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)The attorney says in affect that they know there is stuff in his taxes that will definitely lead to charges, so therefore the taxes should not be released. Yeah, let's see one of us commoners try that one in court. The judge would laugh his butt off.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)live love laugh
(13,104 posts)BillyBobBrilliant
(805 posts)why we want them...don't ya think?