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Trump's lawyers argued that releasing his tax information would cause Trump "Irreparable harm". (Original Post) Snake Plissken Oct 2019 OP
when trump was campaigning he said that very same thing! samnsara Oct 2019 #1
And yet every presidential candidate for the last 40 years has released The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #5
I think that's almost like saying bluestarone Oct 2019 #2
Tough nougatines. Go pound sand! eom sprinkleeninow Oct 2019 #3
I guess tRump's imprisonment would be irrepairable to him though not to the nation n/t Julian Englis Oct 2019 #4
Oh boo hoo sagetea Oct 2019 #6
Bank Robber to Judge: OliverQ Oct 2019 #7
Exactly! The Wielding Truth Oct 2019 #12
So, then, will every item subpoenaed of a Democrat when the Reps start their witch hunts Mr. Ected Oct 2019 #8
Not releasing them has caused the USA irreparable harm! tanyev Oct 2019 #9
Right! This ain't about Trump. It's about justice... dchill Oct 2019 #48
Doesn't mean what you think FBaggins Oct 2019 #10
Sure, releasing the contents of Trump's tax returns will be extremely damaging to Trump Snake Plissken Oct 2019 #15
You're mostly right, but it's a little more nuanced than that StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #25
Yup. How does he explain how he'll be irreparably harmed without revealing The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #54
Bingo! StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #59
Right. It effectively means releasing the returns now denies him the right to appeal unblock Oct 2019 #29
Then he shouldn't have promised to release them. dchill Oct 2019 #49
Yeah, and GW Bush also claimed that counting all the votes UpInArms Oct 2019 #11
Why? Gothmog Oct 2019 #13
That's the idea. world wide wally Oct 2019 #14
Lol, no doubt! MoonRiver Oct 2019 #16
Good. elleng Oct 2019 #17
Yeah!!!! Soooooo.......nt global1 Oct 2019 #18
Hiding something wildflowergardener Oct 2019 #19
He'd get used to jail after awhile. Vinca Oct 2019 #20
"the president has a lot to hide to keep his reputation safe" Takket Oct 2019 #21
Undoubtedly true DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #22
As all "perfect" tax returns do... meadowlander Oct 2019 #23
Technically they're right Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #24
Just like the SC ruled against the 2000 Florida recount Beausoleil Oct 2019 #26
That's what I'm afraid of. Ligyron Oct 2019 #50
I agree with his lawyers gopiscrap Oct 2019 #27
Ah ha ha ha ha ha. Fuck him Roland99 Oct 2019 #28
One can only hope The Blue Flower Oct 2019 #30
That's just the legal standard you have to meet to get an injunction. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #31
And to that, I say "tough shit". nt woodsprite Oct 2019 #32
If courts uphold that argument, no one will ever have to go to court again bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #33
That doesn't make any sense. cstanleytech Oct 2019 #34
An oldie but goodie deserves to be here. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #35
Poor old Al Capone. moondust Oct 2019 #36
They did overturn his conviction on tax evasion after he died on a technicality in tax law. gordianot Oct 2019 #39
Too fucking bdamomma Oct 2019 #37
I think that defense could be used for bank robbery, murder, ect... nt yaesu Oct 2019 #38
Agreed. warmfeet Oct 2019 #40
As well it should relayerbob Oct 2019 #41
Only if he did something illegal, or it proves he lied krispos42 Oct 2019 #42
Well, yeah. I think that is kind of the whole point... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #43
His tax returns are so perfect that if the public sees them, they will want him to do everyone's. tclambert Oct 2019 #44
For once, a spark of truth from Trump. Marie Marie Oct 2019 #45
I so want to see this guy in an orange jump suit. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #46
Well duh defacto7 Oct 2019 #47
Tough fucking shit, asshole! grumpyduck Oct 2019 #51
Next time I get pulled over with an ounce of weed in the glovebox... jcgoldie Oct 2019 #52
Works for me. lindysalsagal Oct 2019 #53
There ya have it DownFromTheMountain Oct 2019 #55
That's why he should have divested long ago. C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #56
What happened to him being a stable genius and him being audited every year? WyattKansas Oct 2019 #57
Wonder if trump's family knows about all that is in his tax information!! Tikki Oct 2019 #58
Just like continuing to count the votes in Florida, November 2000 not_the_one Oct 2019 #60
Why? Because it would prove Trump a liar and thief or just a traitor? rickyhall Oct 2019 #61
a clear admission of guilt azureblue Oct 2019 #62
would cause Trump "Irreparable harm" Nitram Oct 2019 #63
That's the same argument that installed Bush in 2000 nt live love laugh Oct 2019 #64
That's kinda BillyBobBrilliant Oct 2019 #65

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
5. And yet every presidential candidate for the last 40 years has released
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:23 PM
Oct 2019

their tax returns and no harm, irreparable or otherwise, has resulted.

I wonder why Trump's are different.....?

sagetea

(1,368 posts)
6. Oh boo hoo
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:24 PM
Oct 2019

his mouth has already done that. The moldy orange, is broke, and he's a feared...boo f*cking hoo!

sage

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
7. Bank Robber to Judge:
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:24 PM
Oct 2019

"Your honor, the video tape clearly showing me holding up the bank tellers with a gun and demanding they give me all their cash will cause irreparable harm to me if you allow the Jury to see it, so I demand that you not allow it as evidence."

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
8. So, then, will every item subpoenaed of a Democrat when the Reps start their witch hunts
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019

Good God, have they ever thought of the precedent they're setting?

(not that Dems would ever err on the side of lawlessness)

dchill

(38,484 posts)
48. Right! This ain't about Trump. It's about justice...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:23 PM
Oct 2019

...and a little thing we call "the rule of law."

FBaggins

(26,732 posts)
10. Doesn't mean what you think
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:27 PM
Oct 2019

It’s legalese for “you can’t un-crack an egg”

When a court considers a temporary stay on a ruling, they weigh the appeal’s likelihood of success on the merits... and the harm involved in not granting the stay.

This just says “it won’t matter if I win later if they get the returns now”.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
15. Sure, releasing the contents of Trump's tax returns will be extremely damaging to Trump
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:41 PM
Oct 2019

and can't be reversed once they are released in a ruling is overturned, neither can the hundreds of fraud lawsuits that follow from his creditors once they see his real tax returns for the first time.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
25. You're mostly right, but it's a little more nuanced than that
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:58 PM
Oct 2019

He has to show what the precise harm would be if the tax returns are released. That harm can't be speculative or just a risk. He must present specific facts to support his claim of harm.

Then he must show that that harm would be irreparable - that that it could not be remedied with money or other compensation.

That would be very difficult in this situation, especially since he repeatedly said he would release his returns as soon as he got through his fake audit. So he's already publicly agreed to do that which he now says would cause him such enormous harm that a federal court must step in and stop someone else from doing it.

I can't imagine how he could convince a court at this point that release of tax returns - something every other president has done in the last half century - would cause him any harm, irreparable or otherwise, unless, of course, he admits there's something in his returns that is embarrassing or illegal. And since being embarrassed or implicated in a crime is not the kind of harm an injunction is intended to prevent, I think he's screwed on this one.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
54. Yup. How does he explain how he'll be irreparably harmed without revealing
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:41 PM
Oct 2019

what, exactly, is in the tax returns that will irreparably harm him if Congress knows what's in them?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
59. Bingo!
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:02 PM
Oct 2019

It would be different if there wasn't a long history of other presidents and presidential candidates releasing their returns and there was something unusual about his doing so. But the only way to support an argument of harm is to offer evidence that there's something special and unique about his returns that makes releasing them somehow work to his detriment in a way other people's releasevof their returns didn't. And since he previously said he would release them and the only thing stopping him was the imaginary audits, it's kind of hard for him to argue that.

It will be interesting to see what the court rules.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
29. Right. It effectively means releasing the returns now denies him the right to appeal
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:07 PM
Oct 2019

But he still has to make the case that the release would cause harm. Just because you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube doesn't mean squeezing the tube was damaging.

So what's the harm?
If they prove he's a liar, well, that's already well-established.
If they reveal he's a tax evader, well, i suspect that revealing that isn't a recognized "harm".
So I think he'd have to show that his returns would cause him problems a a businessman because they hurt his negotiating position or something.

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
11. Yeah, and GW Bush also claimed that counting all the votes
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:30 PM
Oct 2019

Would cause him irreparable harm.

F these people

Beausoleil

(2,843 posts)
26. Just like the SC ruled against the 2000 Florida recount
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:01 PM
Oct 2019



Because of the irreparable harm done to GWB
If they let the recount happen.
Worked then.
We've been down this road before.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
50. That's what I'm afraid of.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:26 PM
Oct 2019

Our only real weapon against his lawlessness, no their lawlessness is the courts. We may win all the way up to the SC but that body looks even more tainted than in GW's time. I sure hope someone can point out I'm wrong.

gopiscrap

(23,758 posts)
27. I agree with his lawyers
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:07 PM
Oct 2019

it's because he's even been lying about how much he makes or he's not been paying his taxes

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
31. That's just the legal standard you have to meet to get an injunction.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:38 PM
Oct 2019

We can't unsee his tax returns once they are out. So if he can convince the court that both he's likely to win - AND - that seeing his tax returns would cause him irreparable harm, the court can hold off the damage until after it determines whether he actually wins or not.

bucolic_frolic

(43,148 posts)
33. If courts uphold that argument, no one will ever have to go to court again
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:56 PM
Oct 2019

Every defendant would LOVE this legal precedent. It basically overturns the rule of law.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
39. They did overturn his conviction on tax evasion after he died on a technicality in tax law.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:17 PM
Oct 2019

It seems they violated his 5th Amendment rights to self incrimination. Tax laws were corrected and that should not happen again.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
40. Agreed.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:29 PM
Oct 2019

Spending the remainder of your life in a correctional facility would qualify as irreparable harm. The converse, of course, is that a criminal shitbag not held to account for their heinous actions harms every damn one of us and erodes the rule of law. Lock the fucker up already! Lock the fucker up!

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
56. That's why he should have divested long ago.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:43 PM
Oct 2019

What an idiot. And shame on his lawyers for making such dishonest claims

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
57. What happened to him being a stable genius and him being audited every year?
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:52 PM
Oct 2019

Could it be that the harm will be to that claim, along with him being completely funded by Russia?

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
60. Just like continuing to count the votes in Florida, November 2000
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:19 AM
Oct 2019

would cause W Bush "irreparable harm"...

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
62. a clear admission of guilt
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:45 AM
Oct 2019

The attorney says in affect that they know there is stuff in his taxes that will definitely lead to charges, so therefore the taxes should not be released. Yeah, let's see one of us commoners try that one in court. The judge would laugh his butt off.

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