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A history of how US conservatism was reinvented over the airwaveshttps://www.ft.com/content/2f71892c-e5d3-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
What brought Donald Trump victory in the 2016 US presidential election? Plenty of ink has been spilled trying to answer that question. Among the proposed factors are Russian interference, third-party candidates, and the conservative media supporting him. From Fox News, to The Daily Wire, to The Gateway Pundit, cross-pollinating news sources defended Mr Trump from what they considered liberal bias.
Brian Rosenwald, an academic and journalist, argues that central to that media ecosystem was talk radio. Rejecting claims that the medium acted as a Republican puppet, he describes a curious relationship between the Grand Old Party and talk radio hosts, one that has had seriously deleterious consequences for American political life.
The book begins in 1987, with the abolition of the US Federal Communications Commissions fairness doctrine that had obliged radio stations to present both sides of controversial issues. Ironically, the decision made in the twilight of Ronald Reagans administration would lead to the hollowing out of his party. Among those pioneers of talk radio in the late 1980s was Rush Limbaugh. While earlier conservative ideologues had been dogmatic and monotonous, he fused ardent rightwing politics with the interactivity of talk radio and his own brand of high-energy comedy. AM radio executives, unable to compete with FM on music sound quality, found shows like his were an good way to boost revenues.
Talk radio predated social media as a tool for younger and lower-profile politicians to hijack the news agenda. Canny individuals, such as former Speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich, forged friendships with the hosts, giving them easy access whenever they needed to push a point. But as shows grew increasingly influential, even more established politicians had to pay attention. President George W Bushs one-on-one meetings with Mr Limbaugh and his fellow host Sean Hannity in early 2009 illustrate the power they wielded even 10 years ago.
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How Conservative Talk Radio Paved The Road For Donald Trump (interview)
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/10/02/conservative-talk-radio-book
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)On npr. It was very good.
Celerity
(43,356 posts)I want to slam my head into a wall.
I see these posts about them turning on Rump. Sure as hell could have fooled me. Plus the RW stances, independent of Rump, were insane. Blowtorch level hatred and lies. Any human who listens to that over and over for years is a walking potential time bomb. I am actually shocked there is not MORE, far more violence from their side. It is the rawest of raw pure propaganda and emotional hate porn. The framing of anything not FAR FAR RW as evil and the true enemy of all things they define as 'American' is a non stop steamroller.
I do not see how the country can avoid massive violence eventually at a systemic and pervasive level if they continue to spew their shit and even up it to new levels (I include RW radio and websites in this construct too.)
One of the FIRST orders of the day we need to do when we get POTUS and both chambers of Congress control back is to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)To me they are all just filling airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.
Certainly Fox is just propaganda, but the others are next to useless as well.
Turn them all off, your life will be better.
Celerity
(43,356 posts)I mostly read books and some websites, plus interact on here (DU) and then in my real life with my family, friends, and classmates.
I am also a Millennial/Gen Zer (I am on the border of both) who detests most social media, especially Facebook.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Not every night, but I prefer news without people yelling at me and selling me stuff. Like you I rely more and more on the internet.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)emotional hate porn ...
I still have visceral memory, in 1991, being a young man just out of college , going to the gym to work out and instead of them playing rock music them pipping in some bloviating idiot babbling about complete nonsense , and thinking WTF is this guy, who are these vile "limousine liberals" that I had never remotely encountered and why the F are they not playing Rush the Band but this idiot Rush Limbaugh.
After a few trips I looked around and was struck how it either did not bother people, or that people were eating it up.
It has been a long painful slide over the last quarter century ...
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)Its terrifying that people believe that crap but they do.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I darned well nearly wrecked the car, as I knew at that moment, it was the end of fair elections and decent politics in this country. It didn't take long to grab hold. Once Citizens United passed the court test, you could kiss politics good-bye.
How many radio stations do the Republicans have control of by now?
certainot
(9,090 posts)they're all policed by limbaugh in that hiss dittoheads can't get through to kiss his ass so they listen to the local blowhards and call their shows to make sure they're on the sam page
before randi rhodes got hassled off the airwaves she used to talk about the numbers
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I've always thought most of the conspiracy theories come from those stations.
No wonder there are so many extremists in our country. We should bring back the rules that were decimated.
certainot
(9,090 posts)ingraham, etc used to be on hundreds too
lot of overlap but they're all over the place repeating the same shit, with overlapping signals, with their worshippers policing all blowhards, keeping them on the same page
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)I was stationed in Lemoore, CA. There's a master FA18 Naval Air Station base in the middle of nowhere about 40 miles south of Fresno.
Anyway, I had to go to a week of training down in San Diego.
It was cheaper to drive, so I drove from Lemoore to San Diego. Trip is about 5.5 hours.
I got a little bored with the CDs I had, so I decided to check what was on the radio. I hit the scan button, and there was that fuckstick Rush on about 6 stations. No shit. I could get Rush on about 6 stations... each one a second or two off. It was like being in tape delay hell.
What's even worse is that there are about 80 major universities... you know...those bastions of "liberals"...well, those universities broadcast their college football games on stations that offer nothing the rest of the week but hate, racism, fascism and ignorance.
See, we've allowed those universities and corporations and companies to demure and say; "yes we advertise on that station, or yes we feature our football team on that station, BUT, we don't support their hatred and ignorance."
There should not be one single one of these stations that is able to operate without massive protests and boycotts.
90% of the residents of my city support Democratic values, and yet, our most powerful radio station... operating from inside our borders, using our infrastructure and benefiting from our economic power, describes the residents of my city as anti-American baby killers.
We need to smash Hate Radio to a bloody pulp.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the ad industry will destroy rw radio once they become aware of how easy it is for activists to record, transcribe, and list advertisers with hardly any listening required.
it wouldn't take much activism for the ad industry to get the message it has to start asking radio ad clients if they REALLY want to support the global warming denial, racism, hate, and ignorance. advertisers will head for the hills and the monopoly will fall apart. a few protests at universities and some boycotting and some press releases alerting the ad industry to this vulnerability might do it - they want those ears and don't want another stoprush - with AI they will be looking at stoprush x100.
RW has perpetuated the myth that the monopoly is a reflection of the market demand for hate and lies ---advertisers will head for the hills and many stations will have to change programming to stay alive
and it wouldn't hurt for students and communities to start protesting anything trump at the universities that broadcast sports on 260 limbaugh stations. those schools need to be asked what they would do if the KKK bought those stations, because basically they did 20 or 30 years ago
talk radio is the only unique advantage they have and at $1000/hr 1200 stations x 15 hrs/day is worth about $5BIL/year FREE to them - and the kremlin trolls piggybacking it. they know how important it is and democratic and media leadership clearly think it's irrelevant - they need to get the message and they need to start asking questions in their investigations that raise the talk radio issue to democrats.
it should not be considered part of the free speech spectrum as long as it is a well protected and coordinated monopoly. destroying the talk radio propaganda operation will help on every level, every issue, every election. and it will encourage republicans to impeach trump if they know limbaugh and sons are under attack.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)Seems like splitting hairs, but it is actually important. The Republican party is just the vehicle that the conservative movement uses to push its policies. It can also use some Democrats. These media outlets will use Republicans but can also turn on them when they "aren't being true to conservative ideology" which basically means when they aren't toeing the line on all the craziness that continues to come out of the movement.
Because the Republicans are the large party that falls along the conservative spectrum, they are the allies of conservatives, but the movement is separate from the party.
certainot
(9,090 posts)at $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations it's worth $5BIL/yr - republiconradio.org
the title is true and i hope he can sell the concept to the idiots in the media and political analysts who have missed it for fucking 30 years
haven't read or listened yet but i hope it gets attention this title deserves
I just posted a link to what you posted last week. That was such an eye opener for sure!
FM123
(10,053 posts)Last week one of our DU'ers (Certainot) posted a link that shocked the hell out of me - these are the schools and the number of stations that support Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. https://www.republiconradio.org/
Air Force 2
Alabama 2
Arizona St. 1
Arizona 1
Arkansas 3
Army 1
Auburn 3
Baylor 1
Boise St. 4
Boston College 1
Bowling Green 1
Central Florida 1
Clemson 2
Colorado 1
Colorado State 1
Connecticut 1
Dayton 1
Duke 3
East Carolina 2
Florida 10
Florida St. 4
Fresno St.
Georgia 7
Georgia Southern 2
Georgia Tech 5
Idaho 3
Illinois 7
Indiana 1
Iowa 4
Iowa St. 1
Kansas 1
Kansas St. 2
Kentucky 1
La.-Monroe 1
Louisville 2
LSU 2
Marshall 1
Maryland 2
Memphis 3
Miami 2
Michigan 7
Michigan St. 11
Minnesota 4
Mississippi 2
Mississippi St. 3
Missouri 6
Nebraska 6
Nevada 1
New Mexico 2
New Mexico St. 1
North Carolina 8
North Carolina State 3
Notre Dame 6
Ohio St. 6
Oklahoma 1
Oklahoma St. 3
Oral Roberts
Oregon 5
Oregon St. 7
Penn St. 11
Pittsburgh 2
Purdue 4
Rutgers 1
San Jose State 2
Seton Hall 1
South Carolina 2
South Florida 2
Southern Miss 1
Southern Alabama 2
Syracuse 6
TCU 1
Temple 1
Tennessee 4
Texas 1
Texas A&M 9
Texas Tech 4
Toledo 1
Troy 1
UCF 2
USC 2
Utah St. 1
Virginia 1
Virginia Tech 5
West Virginia 1
Western Michigan 1
Washington 5
Washington St. 1
Wichita St. 1
Wisconsin 5
Xavier 1
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I have heard some scary stuff about UF though. A friend is prominent in alumni circles and said she cannot in good conscience recommend the school to minorities these days. Apparently the new student government president is a Trump wannabe. Minority enrollment is significantly down according to her, but I haven't seen stats to confirm her claim.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)Broadcast football games on stations that offer nothing but hate, racism and ignorance for the rest of the week.
We've allowed these universities to pretend that they don't support these hateful fucksticks on the radio... BULLSHIT!!!!... you give one fucking dime to a station that broadcasts, or a company that syndicates this hateful shit... you own it.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)Smackdown2019
(1,187 posts)I posted last December of how radio stations are the culprit of how conservative talk is being dismayed to the right wing. Workers listen at their offices, shops or over the road of the conservative workforce. What it does have, a strong network across the country of small communities of radio stations for talk radio. We Democrats need our own national network in these small communities. Liberal or democratic held radio stations have music rock stations. Country is more geared as conservative. We need to get the radio stations in rural america switched to democratic talk!
BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)with the deregulation of the broadcast industry which allowed single entities to own "bundles" of hundreds of low/lower-power radio stations (notably AM), and then marry these bundles by hijacking the narrative and imposing identical syndicated RW loon programming lineups, their messages blasted out to exburbia and rural America non-stop, 24/7, for over 30 years in some cases. As this strategy was implemented, they literally removed much of the "local talk" programming from those stations, including subjects like local politics or events, DIY home projects, car maintenance, gardening, cooking, etc. (relegated to weekends if such programming was kept), and instead drowned the nation in hate. And sadly, if any of these stations featured a few slots with more liberal local talk hosts, these individuals were eventually fired and their programs were removed.
Meanwhile liberals continued to pooh-pooh "AM radio" as a non-entity that "no one listens to" ignoring the fact that the ones who DO listen to it are in demographics with the highest percentage of voters, and in many cases, the radio was often their primary source of electronic information as they were in locations where cable and/or internet was non-existent, satellite was hit or miss (initially requiring a large dish in the front yard), and broadcast television required a large external antenna that might barely pick up a station from the nearest city. The takeaway? AM radio has a broadcast radius of hundreds of miles, whereas FM/TV is barely able to reach beyond 50 miles from the transmitter.
In essence, these folks are literally a "captive audience", pumped full of targeted propaganda, often supplemented with religious programming that runs on many of these same stations on Sundays.
But as an interesting observation (based on this story published yesterday about Penzey's spices), I am slowly confirming my thoughts on how different people might process "messaging" -
By Emily Heil
Oct. 9, 2019 at 2:31 p.m. EDT
Theres an unlikely and improbably spicy champion in the effort to impeach President Donald Trump. On Wednesday, Axios published a list of the entities spending the most money on Facebook ads on both sides of the impeachment debate. They included the usual suspects of the political war roll call, including Trump himself (he was top of the list, of course, at $718,000), Democratic presidential candidates Tom Steyer and Elizabeth Warren, and both the National Republican Congressional Committee and the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
But one name jumped off the screen for its sheer one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other factor: Penzeys Spices, the nations largest spice retailer, had dropped $92,000 from Sept. 29 to Oct. 5 on ads championing impeachment. That was more than self-funding millionaire Steyer, more than hard-charging Warren more than anyone else other than Trump. Which of course had some people wondering: Whats a company known for hawking spot-on cinnamon blends doing in the political trenches?
For many Penzeys fans, it comes as no surprise. The company has a history of unabashed liberal activism. Its founder, Bill Penzey, greeted Trumps election with an email calling the president an openly racist candidate. As Helen Rosner noted in a New Yorker story last year, that set him far apart from the rest of the business-leader pack. He was quite possibly the first to publicly call Trumps election an embrace of racism, she wrote. And he was definitely the first to do so while hawking a free bottle of Quebec Seasonings with any five-dollar purchase.
Penzey writes a regular email newsletter to customers that weaves the typical stuff of corporate communications product giveaways, recipe links with messages about topics such as the Mueller investigation, immigration and Supreme Court nominees. And since Trumps election, his by turns earnest-and-funny missives have targeted the commander in chief.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2019/10/09/a-spice-company-spent-more-money-on-impeachment-ads-on-facebook-than-anyone-not-named-trump/
and the fact that they are clocking in as having the second highest level of ad buys on Facebook behind Drumpf is notable -
(Source: https://www.axios.com/trump-campaign-advertising-impeachment-facebook-0268b83d-8cc3-4f4c-a710-e3fc0999ac8d.html)
I am realizing that those with a mindset of liberalism, who refuse to respond to the psychologically-draining intent of RW radio's FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) coupled with a double-dose of hate, may actually respond better to the type and context of communications offered by a Bill Penzey, as a way of getting a message out to inform and pump up our base. I.e., many of our less-politically active liberal electorate want to talk about "kitchen table issues", so where better to get to them then at the kitchen table?
Bill Penzey's email missives to those who are on his spice company's email list, are unabashedly liberal and angry at the current events, yet explain why and offer the alternatives to hate that focus on the common embrace of good will, good food well-prepared, and love of the diverse fabric of America... and that message is designed to help bridge a divide.
2naSalit
(86,607 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)I am wondering why the DNC doesn't have money there? I literally get reams and reams and reams of snail mail from the party daily. They need to take some of that money used for printing and mailing paper and funnel it on these social media outlets.
2naSalit
(86,607 posts)FB is turning them down or blocking in some under the surface algorithm or because they don't feel it's ethical in that a major russian criminal org owns a lot of stock and is connected to certain Senator(s)? Somehow I don't see how any transactions w/FB are clean and above board.
BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)some folks need to make a big stink about it.
I don't have a Facebook account and refuse to get one but the data (and Axios has apparently been tracking this weekly) seems pretty significant.
I do know quite a bit is also coming from the DNC via email and I have had to get unsubscribed from some of their lists because it was overwhelming. So it seems there is a need to spread that around to other platforms somehow.
2naSalit
(86,607 posts)snail mail and email. I have had to unsubscribe from several lists as well because I couldn't find my wanted emails among them. I only check email a couple times a week now that I'm retired.
I plan to vote for Dems and Independents anyway so I will donate in person when I go to see the candidates. I'm poor so I have to be judicious with my donations. And I'm waiting to see who makes it over here to my purple but considered red, small population but environmentally/natural resource (I hate that term) huge state.
BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)with talk radio because a lot of it is based on talk radio bullshit previously sold
imo a lot of that - "oh talk radio is irrelevant" crap is from big cities and music listeners, and unfortunately the attitude in much of the dem and liberal leadership, but i wouldn't be surprised if someof it is trolls
BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)and I think much of the "AM is dead!!111!" is coming from city dwellers who have access to plenty of stations. But I am a city dweller who grew up in a household of radio listeners and got into the habit myself. My mom listened to all kinds of talk radio during the '70s before deregulation and the complete takeover of talk by the right. I listened right along and still listen to some degree today (including on SiriusXM to try to get some other perspective).
The one thing she taught me about it was that you could more easily "do other things" (read a paper, do chores) while listening to the radio where TV often required you to "watch".
I still recall listening to Limbaugh's first broadcast on his flagship station 770 WABC (which we can pick up here in Philly) because I used to listen to Lynn Samuels in that noon slot and the station suddenly and unceremoniously moved her out of the studio and down the hall and put him in there after moving her show to another timeslot. He eventually moved down to his Florida fort to broadcast remotely. He was basically a younger version of WABC's-then top billed angry RW loon Bob Grant.
But sadly I know that liberal/progressive attempts like "Air America" collapsed and I think some of it had to do not so much with the content but because the owners needed to think about what the purpose was in the same way RW syndicators did - as a "donation to the cause", without any notion of trying to always turn a profit. I.e., just as entities drop millions on election advertising that becomes a "1-off" payment for a service over a brief period of time, radio should be considered the same - except spread over a year (year after year). And one of the other big reasons was that they did not own the stations their programs were playing on so the station owners could every easily kill Air America programming slots and replace them with syndicated RW nonsense, and that is what was done (and continues to be done with liberal shows not on satellite radio).
certainot
(9,090 posts)one of the money sources turned out to be a scammer who ended up escaping to the phillippines and i think i heard one of the anchutz heirs got involved, as if that family would be supportive.
in colorado the owners allowed liberal talkers for a few years in about 2006 area and realized their mistake after the state went blue so they put on locals who could not draw the same advertisers and then said liberal talk wouldn't work and so they went to business programming and that wouldn't work and eventually now it's beck limbaugh hannity 'buck sexton, etc
they got limbaugh onto that station by taking him off the loudest station in CO - 850 KOA - where he's been since early 90s. it may be because the uni of colorado told them there might be a problem with their association withe the CU buffs cause i know some local activists and letter writers etc have been bringing it up for years. if that's what happened and the station chose to keep the buffs over limbaugh it would be nice to find out.
they need to be boycotted off the planet
dlk
(11,566 posts)Propaganda over the airwaves is highly effective. For all intents and purposes, this was a stealth coup that remains in effect to this day.
2naSalit
(86,607 posts)Baltimike
(4,143 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)taken out of context or a week solid and since then
russians have prob been using talk radio since at least 2008/palin
i think we'll find out some of those major redactions in the mueller report are re talk radio
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)It's not like the pump wasn't primed. Edward Bernays developed methods to sway people's opinions using media early in the 20th-Century. Americans have been immersed in it, (an analogy would be The Matrix) since mass media was developed and made available, especially broadcast media from radio to television.
Propaganda can be powerful and influential. When the mechanics of the above are understood and utilized, then you can have a revolution without bullets or blood, which was the original intent. Welcome to the revolution. It was the TV, (so to speak).
The medium is the massage. Keep that in mind. Korzybski, Chomsky, McLuhan, (and many others) examined and revealed the methods and impact of language and media. Too bad it is not more commonly known. The comprehension of the techniques, (like Trump's) can make one more immune to the influence and it this is very important politically.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Crazyleftie
(458 posts)Sinclair owns about 200 TV stations
Clear Channel owns about 1200+ radio stations
Thank Clinton for the telecommunications act/1996
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/clear_channel_backlash/
certainot
(9,090 posts)before that - that was the democrats and left's fault for ignoring talk radio then - all this could have been prevented. that was also why we got fox.
limbaugh had been going on 500 stations for 10 years selling media deregulation and then they used it to pressure clinton. they used the same ald bullshit talking points to attack net neutrality - big liberal govt regulation shutting down conservative media/websites, stiffling competition, free market, wifi/cable prices going up, etc
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)All day and at least part of the night, but it is very few. AM radio, even during the day, can cover some long distances. I can get stations 150 miles away during the day, and at night the real blow torches kick in and signals from even fairly weak signals can travel a couple of states when conditions are in their favor. I don't know if a fairness doctrine would hold up in the courts anymore, but there has to be some way to challenge this dangerous grip that hate has on the airwaves.
Initech
(100,072 posts)We have a president and government that is run by and for AM radio talk show hosts.
They are the reason why our political climate is so toxic right now and why we'll never get serious change in this country. I have a strict no talk radio policy in my car. People get mad but it's music or nothing.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It did it's job thoroughly enough that even its secondary-victims now justify their hatred as righteous.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)whether conservative or liberal. It is partisan and divisive; the format could not exist if it wasn't. Their only function is to inflame and divide us to sell soap and sleep number mattresses. Circle wanks in an echo chamber.