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Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:32 PM Oct 2019

Was there a "quid pro quo"?." that is the key, so I understand all of this

If indeed the money was withheld..it seems that it was???, then Trump's problems have increased
10 fold. What I read and understand as of now, that Trump did indeed withhold money. Is that true?
.If it is, then Trump is totally done..If it can be proven, that the money was withheld because Ukraine
would not make statements on this Biden accusation, then Trump has done something immoral as well as illegal. The meeting at the U.N. is not clear, were statements made then?...Thank You for additional information..

If true, Trump is done, gone, lost, out..it is just a matter of time...

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Was there a "quid pro quo"?." that is the key, so I understand all of this (Original Post) Stuart G Oct 2019 OP
Yes, it got held up so long even Republicans were asking about it. tanyev Oct 2019 #1
It isn't clear to me....sorry..When was aid released? if ever? Stuart G Oct 2019 #2
Disbursed on Sept 11-after House committees launched investigations. tanyev Oct 2019 #5
We knew it was true when Pelosi started impeachment. She doesn't act on rumors. NCLefty Oct 2019 #3
I am now clear, thank you. Trump withheld aid, cause Ukraine would NOT disscuss Biden..... Stuart G Oct 2019 #6
No, it's not. Trump committed a YOOGE crime the first time he asked Hortensis Oct 2019 #4
For clarity.......No Aid To Me for Reelection..NO AID TO YOU FOR ANYTHING.!! Stuart G Oct 2019 #7
POTUS did not have to proceed to that point. It makes it Hortensis Oct 2019 #8
Thank You..Just asking.... "appreciate if you frame my opponent"..and later, Stuart G Oct 2019 #9
:) The second part to help nail the coffin tight shut. Hortensis Oct 2019 #11
Him asking is a betrayal of our democracy and an attack on its foundation, a corruption, in addition coti Oct 2019 #10
Of course there was a quid pro quo. That's a matter of public record now from several sources. abqtommy Oct 2019 #12
More specifically, it was a "Quid Pro Luto" ffr Oct 2019 #13
K&R, This is correct IE Mulvaney trying to get in front of action this weekend by saying so what !! uponit7771 Oct 2019 #14
Not true - just the demand for dirt to be manufactured is reason enough to impeach malaise Oct 2019 #15
Yes it was withheld mercuryblues Oct 2019 #16
Thank You. Trump's real reason..."I can get away with this, and I can get Biden too. Stuart G Oct 2019 #17
Yes mercuryblues Oct 2019 #18

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
6. I am now clear, thank you. Trump withheld aid, cause Ukraine would NOT disscuss Biden.....
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:52 PM
Oct 2019

and, Biden's son's job. (a political hit on Biden) correct? That is the essence of this.

....NO AID, UNLESS YOU CRITICIZE MY OPPONENT'S SON...........

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. No, it's not. Trump committed a YOOGE crime the first time he asked
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:50 PM
Oct 2019

Ukraine to pretty-please provide assistance to him in his reelection efforts. Ukraine never had to agree or provide a thing. All the rest, attempting to extort by withholding money needed to right Russia's troops in Russia, is continuation of the crime, no doubt also opening him and his accomplishes up to various additional charges.

But none are needed.


Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
7. For clarity.......No Aid To Me for Reelection..NO AID TO YOU FOR ANYTHING.!!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:55 PM
Oct 2019

....that makes it clearer to me, and an obvious crime in my eyes...Thank You

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. POTUS did not have to proceed to that point. It makes it
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:01 PM
Oct 2019

worse of course, but an impeachable crime, the one that actually demanded impeachment -- just the president telling Ukraine's president, desperately in need of U.S. aid against Russia, that he'd appreciate it if he'd frame his opponent -- had already occurred.

That that wasn't a crime is a Republican lie being run by all the media who obligingly ran with their lies against Hillary in 2016, and of course guess why.

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
9. Thank You..Just asking.... "appreciate if you frame my opponent"..and later,
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:06 PM
Oct 2019

Frame my opponent and his son, then you get the money you need.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. :) The second part to help nail the coffin tight shut.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:12 PM
Oct 2019

This is a case people who haven't read anything more complex than a menu since high school can understand.

Addendum: Meaning the many who prefer to stay away from politics and other things that require learning things they're not interested in.

coti

(4,612 posts)
10. Him asking is a betrayal of our democracy and an attack on its foundation, a corruption, in addition
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:10 PM
Oct 2019

to an illegal campaign donation.

The quid pro quo is ANOTHER felony and corruption, selling out America's foreign policy in favor of his own, personal political interests, and in pursuit of his already illegal request.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
12. Of course there was a quid pro quo. That's a matter of public record now from several sources.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:15 PM
Oct 2019

Let's move on with impeachments, indictments, prosecutions, sentencing and imprisonment.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
14. K&R, This is correct IE Mulvaney trying to get in front of action this weekend by saying so what !!
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:21 PM
Oct 2019

Because it was Mulvaney who moved the money illegally as the OMB director.

Now that a the summary has been confirmed by someone with hard evidence (hearing someone else say the words of the trade for dirt on the phone) and the KGOP not kicking back at Taylor it looks like Red Don has done an illegal act.

We'll see in the days to come, if Taylor is attacked then most likely he doesn't have blue dress or Nixon tape proof but if they're quiet about Taylor they ... KNOW ... he has hard evidence.

malaise

(269,035 posts)
15. Not true - just the demand for dirt to be manufactured is reason enough to impeach
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:29 PM
Oct 2019

the quo quid pro is merely the icing on that chocolate cake tailor made for the Con's impeachment

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
16. Yes it was withheld
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:29 PM
Oct 2019

trump never gave a reason.

The Ukrainians did not have to even agree to it. Just the fact he withheld the aid then made it contingent on "I need a favor, though"

made this impeachable. He was trying to blackmail, bribe, or quid pro quo into getting documents faked to destroy Biden in the election.

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
17. Thank You. Trump's real reason..."I can get away with this, and I can get Biden too.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:37 PM
Oct 2019

I just want to add those first 5 words....I can get away with this"

..... it is so clear and reflects Trump's true nature and his thinking...

............No worry, "I am the boss, no one will question me", "I am THE BOSS"

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
18. Yes
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:31 PM
Oct 2019

And as Maddow has been pointing out. Get rid of the people in you WH that refuse to break the law and hire those that are OK with it. When they put the memo and transcript of that call on a classified only server shows they also knew what he said was illegal, trying to hide it from public view.

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