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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas there a "quid pro quo"?." that is the key, so I understand all of this
If indeed the money was withheld..it seems that it was???, then Trump's problems have increased
10 fold. What I read and understand as of now, that Trump did indeed withhold money. Is that true?
.If it is, then Trump is totally done..If it can be proven, that the money was withheld because Ukraine
would not make statements on this Biden accusation, then Trump has done something immoral as well as illegal. The meeting at the U.N. is not clear, were statements made then?...Thank You for additional information..
If true, Trump is done, gone, lost, out..it is just a matter of time...
tanyev
(42,564 posts)Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/ukraine-military-aid-congress/index.html
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)tanyev
(42,564 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Stuart G
(38,428 posts)and, Biden's son's job. (a political hit on Biden) correct? That is the essence of this.
....NO AID, UNLESS YOU CRITICIZE MY OPPONENT'S SON...........
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Ukraine to pretty-please provide assistance to him in his reelection efforts. Ukraine never had to agree or provide a thing. All the rest, attempting to extort by withholding money needed to right Russia's troops in Russia, is continuation of the crime, no doubt also opening him and his accomplishes up to various additional charges.
But none are needed.
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)....that makes it clearer to me, and an obvious crime in my eyes...Thank You
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)worse of course, but an impeachable crime, the one that actually demanded impeachment -- just the president telling Ukraine's president, desperately in need of U.S. aid against Russia, that he'd appreciate it if he'd frame his opponent -- had already occurred.
That that wasn't a crime is a Republican lie being run by all the media who obligingly ran with their lies against Hillary in 2016, and of course guess why.
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)Frame my opponent and his son, then you get the money you need.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This is a case people who haven't read anything more complex than a menu since high school can understand.
Addendum: Meaning the many who prefer to stay away from politics and other things that require learning things they're not interested in.
coti
(4,612 posts)to an illegal campaign donation.
The quid pro quo is ANOTHER felony and corruption, selling out America's foreign policy in favor of his own, personal political interests, and in pursuit of his already illegal request.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)Let's move on with impeachments, indictments, prosecutions, sentencing and imprisonment.
ffr
(22,670 posts)This for Dirt.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Because it was Mulvaney who moved the money illegally as the OMB director.
Now that a the summary has been confirmed by someone with hard evidence (hearing someone else say the words of the trade for dirt on the phone) and the KGOP not kicking back at Taylor it looks like Red Don has done an illegal act.
We'll see in the days to come, if Taylor is attacked then most likely he doesn't have blue dress or Nixon tape proof but if they're quiet about Taylor they ... KNOW ... he has hard evidence.
malaise
(269,035 posts)the quo quid pro is merely the icing on that chocolate cake tailor made for the Con's impeachment
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)trump never gave a reason.
The Ukrainians did not have to even agree to it. Just the fact he withheld the aid then made it contingent on "I need a favor, though"
made this impeachable. He was trying to blackmail, bribe, or quid pro quo into getting documents faked to destroy Biden in the election.
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)I just want to add those first 5 words....I can get away with this"
..... it is so clear and reflects Trump's true nature and his thinking...
............No worry, "I am the boss, no one will question me", "I am THE BOSS"
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)And as Maddow has been pointing out. Get rid of the people in you WH that refuse to break the law and hire those that are OK with it. When they put the memo and transcript of that call on a classified only server shows they also knew what he said was illegal, trying to hide it from public view.