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demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:55 PM Nov 2019

'Intolerably offensive': Boy's Nazi costume at elementary school Halloween parade sparks outrage

The student wore a dark brown dress shirt tucked into tan pants with a black tie and matching dress shoes. Had that been the extent of the boy’s outfit, he probably wouldn’t have drawn much attention as he walked alongside his costumed peers during a Halloween parade at an elementary school in Utah.

But the child’s ensemble featured two eye-catching details: a fake toothbrush mustache and a red armband decorated with a hand-drawn black swastika.

Pictures of the student wearing the Nazi costume and sporting Adolf Hitler’s distinctive facial hair at Creekside Elementary School, about 20 miles north of Salt Lake City, were shared on social media last week, sparking intense backlash from critics who decried the boy’s attire as “intolerably offensive.” Now, the school’s principal and a teacher have been placed on paid administrative leave, and the school district has launched an investigation into “every aspect of the situation,” according to a statement emailed to The Washington Post late Sunday.

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One mother told KSTU that parents at the Halloween parade were confused and surprised the boy had been permitted to dress as a Nazi. The mother added the boy had targeted her son and other children of color on the playground at recess by “throwing the ‘Hail Hitler’ sign up.”

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“I was told they thought he was Charlie Chaplin,” she told the news station, “and I’m like, he has a whole swastika on his arm.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/04/nazi-costume-utah-elementary-school-creekside/?tid=sm_tw


JFC.
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'Intolerably offensive': Boy's Nazi costume at elementary school Halloween parade sparks outrage (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2019 OP
I wonder... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #1
Maybe the fact that they used the excuse that they thought he was Charlie Chaplin MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #6
I showed my class... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #8
Yes, we might well wonder why, instead of talking to the child Hortensis Nov 2019 #9
At my kids school Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #16
We have that on... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #18
possibly why many schools stopped having Halloween parties pstokely Nov 2019 #25
I have to recuse; In 1961, 2nd grade, I went to school dressed as Fidel Castro Captain Zero Nov 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Nov 2019 #3
Hitler was so bad that he's the only world leader in history that you can't dress up as on Halloween Polybius Nov 2019 #4
Don't forget Pol Pot. 11 Bravo Nov 2019 #11
He was awful, but I don't think many would recognize his costume Polybius Nov 2019 #13
Going as Mao would get you in trouble if you are white, that also would apply to going as braddy Nov 2019 #27
It's ok to go as a character of another race Polybius Nov 2019 #29
I don't think Peter Sellers putting on a Mao jacket would suffice as effectively being Mao. braddy Nov 2019 #31
The only person allowed to wear a Hitler costume Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #5
Charlie Chaplin aikoaiko Nov 2019 #7
I know that was my first thought when I read that paragraph dsc Nov 2019 #12
That movie was a deliberate satire on Hitler. His usual look was tramp with a bowler hat. Crunchy Frog Nov 2019 #15
Thank you so much for explaining that to me. I had no idea. Was it really satire directed at Hitler? aikoaiko Nov 2019 #19
... demmiblue Nov 2019 #21
Thank you. That certainly is not the Chaplin XX. Its backwards, but still a swastika. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #22
No, he went as Hitler. n/t demmiblue Nov 2019 #24
He was scary treestar Nov 2019 #10
The Great Dictator (1940) Charlie Chaplin appalachiablue Nov 2019 #14
It's literally a Southpark episode (nt) Recursion Nov 2019 #17
No mention of the kid's parents. The school peeps thought it was Charlie CHAPLIN. UTUSN Nov 2019 #20
+1 (and to think it was Charlie Chaplin is absolutely absurd) n/t demmiblue Nov 2019 #23
How many know who CC is anymore. OhZone Nov 2019 #26
The parents are the ones responsible here for indoctrinating their kid. LonePirate Nov 2019 #28
Teaching hatred is child abuse. CPS should be removing the kid from his parents influence. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #30

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
1. I wonder...
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:19 PM
Nov 2019

... why the teacher and principal have been put on leave. Halloween celebrations at elementary schools can be hectic and unpredictable. I think the first failure, in this instance, may have been made in the home.

During my teaching career, we had similar incident... the teacher (a friend) tried to handle it by not being shocked or alarmed and speaking with the student and his peers. After the discussion, the kid was taken to the office while his parents were called to bring in a change of clothing.

There were also spirit day/dress-up guidelines stated in our parents handbook.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
6. Maybe the fact that they used the excuse that they thought he was Charlie Chaplin
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:24 PM
Nov 2019

might have come into play in that decision.



Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
8. I showed my class...
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:33 PM
Nov 2019

... The Kid, starring Charlie Chaplin. They groaned when I said it was in B&W and "silent" - but they loved the film. Still, I wonder if anyone would "dress up" like Chaplin today... he does have Hitler-like looks, especially in The Great Dictator. I guess the investigation will solve the mystery...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Yes, we might well wonder why, instead of talking to the child
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:15 PM
Nov 2019

and giving him another top to wear, and wiping off the mustache strongly identified with Adolf Hitler, they let him parade around an elementary school wearing a swastika and giving the Nazi salute.

Of course the first failure was in the home. But if this situation had been handled when, where and by whom it should have been at school, without that incredibly serious judgement (and moral?) lapse, no doubt the district administrators would not have had to step in. But it wasn't, so we're wondering why.

Dorian Gray

(13,497 posts)
16. At my kids school
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 06:59 AM
Nov 2019

kids have to dress as a literary character made from materials you have at home. (Not a brand new costume.)

It probably helps prevent something like this.

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
18. We have that on...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:53 AM
Nov 2019

... Dr. Seuss Day. It's an option, if they want to dress as something other than a Dr. Seuss character. Halloween is a Free Dress Day - but within guidelines - the swastika symbol is prohibited, of course. We have a Halloween Carnival in the evening, and many teachers take a "sub day" because they volunteer for the Carnival. The subs should be as qualified as the regular teachers. It's very hectic, with thousands of people in costume... Teachers are always doing too much!

Stories like the one linked appear all the time - and educators are often seen as encouraging bad behavior. Yes, the classroom teacher is responsible, but it is a shared responsibility. It begins with parents. At our school, a staff person admits students at a gate; inappropriate attire would be addressed there... now, maybe the story liked has some reason for believing the school encourages fascism - I don't know. As a credentialed teacher, I have a point of view, I know... I tend to look at it from the teachers' point of view.



Response to Captain Zero (Reply #2)

Polybius

(15,461 posts)
4. Hitler was so bad that he's the only world leader in history that you can't dress up as on Halloween
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:02 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Tue Nov 5, 2019, 03:02 AM - Edit history (1)

Think about it. If I went as Stalin, Fidel Castro, or even Genghis Khan I wouldn't be fired or reprimanded at any job. Is there anyone besides Hitler that would get a person fired or sent home?

Actually, Trump is getting there. Being him on Halloween isn't a smart idea these days.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
27. Going as Mao would get you in trouble if you are white, that also would apply to going as
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:07 PM
Nov 2019

Genghis Khan, your racism would be the issue, not your being history's worst mass murderer.

Polybius

(15,461 posts)
29. It's ok to go as a character of another race
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:42 PM
Nov 2019

As long as you don't do the racial features. I went as Barry Bonds once, complete with the cross earring he was known for and uniform. I didn't use blackface (obviously), so it was fine.

I also see many black kids go as Superman or Batman, and that is totally fine too.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
15. That movie was a deliberate satire on Hitler. His usual look was tramp with a bowler hat.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:24 AM
Nov 2019

Sorry. There's no way you could confuse that with Hitler. There's also no swastika in your picture. I call bullshit on anyone claiming validity for this story.

aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
19. Thank you so much for explaining that to me. I had no idea. Was it really satire directed at Hitler?
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:57 AM
Nov 2019

More seriously, I think it would interesting to see if the alleged swastika was a swastika or Chaplin's XX.




aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
22. Thank you. That certainly is not the Chaplin XX. Its backwards, but still a swastika.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:09 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe he went as Prince Harry.

UTUSN

(70,715 posts)
20. No mention of the kid's parents. The school peeps thought it was Charlie CHAPLIN.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:05 PM
Nov 2019

Will the oh so thorough investigation include the kid's parents? It took some personal teaching by somebody for the kid to know the heil salute.








LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
28. The parents are the ones responsible here for indoctrinating their kid.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:09 PM
Nov 2019

An elementary school kid probably has no frame of knowledge and experience to understand how offensive the costume was. He was simply micmicing behavior and beliefs of his parents, who should have prevented him from wearing that costume at school.

The kid needs to learn and understand history and his parents deserve all of the outrage and ramifications here.

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