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Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:44 AM

Handy Guide to the GOP Impeachment Fog Machine

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BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO THE GOP MISINFORMATION
by Dan Kovats, IDCCA Executive Director
@ILDCCA @dankovats

KEY CONCEPTS:

Remember: Betrayal of America, Betrayal of the Constitution, Betrayal of our National Security System.

Trump’s actions were so serious that patriotic whistle blowers have come forward to expose his betrayal of America. As President, Trump orchestrated a mobster-like scheme to withhold military aid to Ukraine unless they investigated and reported on a political rival. Think about that; the President directly threatened another nation that, if they didn’t dig up or make up information to help attack a political opponent, he would see to it that the United States government would stop supporting their efforts at self-defense.

Republicans are exposing themselves – not as patriots – but as small-minded Trump loyalists who are willing to betray the Constitution. Trump and his Republicans have treated the proven Russian election manipulation as ‘no big deal.’ But today, influence in the election process from foreign governments is on Donald Trump’s request list. That’s a blatant betrayal of the Constitution.

Trump betrayed our nation.
He has betrayed the basic elements of national security;
He’s betrayed the Constitution;
He’s betrayed the citizens of the United States.

RESPONSES TO GOP TALKING POINTS…

CLAIM: Democrats held secret hearings where Republicans were not allowed to participate
RESPOND: Democrats deposed several witnesses to investigate the allegations made against Donald Trump. Normally these depositions are conducted with the Justice Department. Since the Justice Department would rather serve Donald Trump than the American public, they have refused to conduct these depositions. Furthermore, these depositions were conducted by the Foreign Affairs, Oversight & Reform, and Intelligence Committees. Republicans who are on those committees were not only invited; they were expected to participate. They choose to make a political stunt instead of engaging in the process.

CLAIM: Democrats were not transparent about the process from the start and this has tainted the inquiry. Since they did this, the entire process is a sham.
RESPOND: Democrats were following the impeachment inquiry procedures that were approved by the Republican controlled House of Representatives in 2015. To say that Democrats were not transparent about the process would mean that the Republicans own rules were not transparent.

CLAIM: Speaker Pelosi was against impeachment in the spring but is now in favor of it. What has changed?
RESPOND: It’s true that Speaker Pelosi stated that an impeachment is “divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan.” What has changed since that statement is Donald Trump attempted to bribe the leader of a foreign country. By trying to engage in a quid pro quo, Donald Trump put his needs over the needs of our country.

CLAIM: The President of the United States sets our foreign policy and Donald Trump is well within his right to conduct whatever policy he believes is in our best interest.
RESPOND: While the Constitution grants the President the authority to set our foreign policy, it does stipulate that the foreign policy must be in the nation’s best interest. The summary of the call between Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky & Donald Trump clearly shows that an attempt was made to withhold military aide unless Ukraine started an investigation into Vice President Joe Biden’s son.

CLAIM: Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman is a “Never Trumper” and his testimony should be considered slanted
RESPOND: Lt Colonel is a 20-plus year Army veteran who served honorably in the Iraq War. He is a decorated soldier who was awarded a Purple Heart for being injured in battle. He was doing his job as a military officer working in the Situation Room. He was so alarmed by what he heard on the call between Zelensky & Trump, he was compelled to provide information the NSC’s top lawyer.

CLAIM: Donald Trump didn’t understand what a “Quid Pro Quo” was when he spoke with Ukrainian President Zelensky
RESPOND: Just because Donald Trump doesn’t understand that he broke the law doesn’t mean that he didn’t break the law. Ignorance is not a defense when it comes to violating our Constitution and putting our national security at risk.

CLAIM: The whole impeachment is a “witch hunt.”
RESPOND: Call it what you want. The impeachment is a serious investigation about Donald Trump’s corrupt abuse of power. IF Trump is the victim of congressional abuse, why has he been stopping witnesses from testifying to congress?

CLAIM: Democrats are just wasting time; mad they didn’t win the election.
RESPOND: First, Democrats aren’t alone. There are Republicans who support the inquiry. Second this isn’t “revenge” for winning the 2016 election. It is enforcement for potentially violating the trust of the American people and betrayal of our Constitution.

CLAIM: Joe Biden and his son are corrupt, that was President Trump’s point.
RESPOND: There isn’t an ounce of evidence that Biden or his son did anything illegal or corrupt. The Biden’s have been nothing but transparent and clear. It is Trump who has engaged in a lifetime of corruption and a stunning display of continued abuse of power.

CLAIM: Voters don’t want the impeachment inquiry and Democrats are going to lose their elections.
RESPOND: That’s false. The latest surveys and polls are revealing a growing number of Americans who support the investigation. It’s now over 54% of support for some kind of inquiry.

CLAIM: Trump is just doing what any other Presidents have done.
RESPONSE: Um, no. Trump is abusing his power and betraying our country.

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Reply Handy Guide to the GOP Impeachment Fog Machine (Original post)
Snarkoleptic Nov 2019 OP
Arkansas Granny Nov 2019 #1
NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #2
Botany Nov 2019 #3
roscoeroscoe Nov 2019 #4
murielm99 Nov 2019 #5
safeinOhio Nov 2019 #6
Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #7
usaf-vet Nov 2019 #8
calimary Nov 2019 #9
SayItLoud Nov 2019 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #11
angrychair Nov 2019 #12
RainCaster Nov 2019 #13
narnian60 Nov 2019 #14

Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:57 AM

1. K & R. Thanks for posting.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 09:37 AM

2. Big K&R. Thanks for the outline Snark.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 09:46 AM

3. Part of the GOP Fog Machine Rep. Mike Johnson D-Bag Louisiana



He hit just about all of these points.

BTW as per his claim this AM that the Dems wanted impeachment from day one w/Trump
and to that I plead guilty. Trump was installed after a dirty election by Russia and Trump
was well aware of Russia's actions and worked with Russia too.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:18 AM

4. Very good!

Appreciate the effort and time to sum this up.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:21 AM

5. If you don't know who Dan Kovats is,

he is the executive director and chair of the Illinois Democratic Chair's Association. He is very effective.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:22 AM

6. Best responce to all of their claims.

What would you do if Obama had done it?

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:28 AM

7. Correction to claim/response #3:

Trump didn't attempt to bribe a foreign leader, he committed extortion upon that leader, which is a form of bribery (seeking something of personal value) which is an impeachable offense.

That may seem nuanced, but if we're attempting to respond to Republicans' hair-splitting false narratives, nuance and precision is important.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:38 AM

8. Do the Democrats have a plan to deal with any disruption the repugs try. Gym Jordan was recently...

.... put on the investigation panel. He surely wasn't chosen for his high intellect. Nor was he chosen for his integrity. He was clearly chosen because he has displayed his willingness to be disruptive.

I hope the Democrats are ready for his disruptions. And don't let him make a mockery of this necessary impeachment of a corrupt president and his administration.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:56 AM

9. K&R - keeping this one.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:02 AM

10. Well written and spot on. Thanks. However,

this is a civil discussion you are putting forth. Any discussions and interactions I've tried to have with the cult have never been focused on facts and for sure not civil. I've tried but they are so defensive the facts are never of use. I just have to walk away.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:06 AM

11. The facts, repeatedly, clearly, often. The facts of the crime and the investigation are

1) quid and quo in same phone call.

2) "Memorandum" is not a complete unredacted transcript, testified by Vindman.

3) Hiding complete transcript on server is a coverup.

4) Not just one phone call.

5) Parallel off-the-books Giuliani operation tightening the screws.

6) Trump did hold up aid for weeks or months, until lawyers determined he had no authority.




The facts in the excellent OP may be summarized as these:

A) Republicans attended the so-called secret hearings, except those who boycotted them.

B) Democrats are using Republican impeachment rules approved 2015.

C) Trump's own secretive actions regarding Ukraine changed Pelosi's mind as to timing.

D) Extorting manufactured political dirt is not legal foreign policy or use of Congressionally approved funds.

E) Decorated wounded veteran Lt Col Vindman was following proper procedure reporting the call to the NSC's top lawyer.

F) Ignorance of a crime is not a defence, not even for a self-styled "stable genius".

G) If it is a witch hunt testimony would soon show it. Don't hold your breath.

H) The winners of the 2018 election are enforcing the Constitution. Elections have consequences.

I) Nothing Bidens did was corrupt so there is no evidence. Getting a job based on a name is not corrupt, right Jarvanka?

J) If you think the Democrats are overplaying a hand then you should welcome the impeachment. Bring 2020.

K) As stated: "Trump is abusing his power and betraying our country".

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:14 AM

12. Additionally

If Biden is corrupt than why has he, for years, released decades of tax returns but trump is still fighting the release of his in court?

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:26 AM

13. Don't forget, Nunes gets to throw poop

Like a naughty monkey, it is his job to throw feces around the room.

No accuracy.

No truth.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:41 AM

14. Yes.

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