At what point will Prez Obama send in the Federal Marshalls and FBI to OccupyUSA?

[99th_Monkey]

You know, like Prez. John Kennedy did to protect peaceful civil rights protesters in the deep South.

To protect peaceful citizens from police brutality & harassment ... being literally terrorized by local police departments?

I realize my question verges on being rhetorical, but then that in itself is quite interesting, don't you think?

http://occupyoakland.org/

[SixthSense]

1. he already sent them in

unfortunately they are not there to protect the protestors but to assist the cops

The CIA is also reportedly involved

[99th_Monkey]

3. ^S^A^D^L^Y T^R^U^E nt

[great white snark]

15. "R^E^P^O^R^T^E^D^L^Y"

But it's fun to play preemptive hypothetical outrage.

[Laelth]

9. Precisely.

When the Marshalls get deployed, they'll be working for the State, not protecting the protesters.

-Laelth

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. They're there taking pictures, capturing faces...

...collecting names, compiling lists, identifying leaders, and otherwise assessing the citizen threat.

And they would be there doing this with or without the nod from Obama -- the CIA operates independent of the White House and has for a very long time.

[geek tragedy]

61. Yeah, and he was born in Kenya too. nt

[SixthSense]

62. That would be news to me

Perhaps this news can help you

https://www.google.com/search?q=FBI+OWS
https://www.google.com/search?q=DHS+OWS
https://www.google.com/search?q=CIA+OWS

[geek tragedy]

63. Gee, a bunch of Blogs publishing a rumor.

Just like Orly Taitz.

[bigwillq]

2. When it benefits his re-election campaign.

There will even being a photo-op.

[99th_Monkey]

6. What's funny is .. or maybe not so funny ... is

that I think it really WOULD help his campaign.

Obama certainly can't run on "hope and change"
anymore.

He needs a new meme, and Occupy Everywhere
would give him a ready-made campaign staff &
volunteers.

But no. He's got to stand idly by, while local
"authorities" openly violate the human and civil
rights of peaceful protesters.

[SammyWinstonJack]

66. Well he did say that is was up to local city government to assess the level of law enforcement they

deemed necessary in dealing with the OWS PEACEFUL protesters.


Doesn't sound like he is on the side of the protesters.

[99th_Monkey]

69. Yah? Like asking George Wallace if he needs any help in Alabama

repressing the Black uprisiings.

Not really QUITE that bad, but you get the idea.

i agree it doesn't sound very supportive of Occupy for him to do that.

[Generic Other]

76. "would give him a ready-made campaign staff & volunteers"

Not sure that's a given. Certainly an easy assumption to make. I have talked to occupiers, and I have skirted the question about political leanings to avoid conflict. I don't see people necessarily lining up to defend Obama. Some perhaps. But not all. Maybe not many. All I can say for certain is that many seem way left of center progressive.

[JohnnyRingo]

8. Really?

Now he's Bush? You're calling him stupid and have him asking us to "watch this drive"?
Let me guess... he's taken more vacation time than any president and his wife is a xanax addict.

I recycle my plastics and aluminum, you apprently don't throw anything away.

[ixion]

10. He has codified the Bush Doctrine

so as far as policy goes, he has much in common with Chimpy.

[JohnnyRingo]

18. Your hated for President Obama codifies Mitch McConnell's stated goal for the GOP.

But I don't call you a racist Republican from Kentucky.

If this is GW Buxh's third term, I can expect a war with N Korea and Iran, reforming Social Security out of existence (Buxh said it was his only regret that he didn't do it), and ending the Coporate, Offshore, and Estate Taxes in the next 10 short months.

I suspect you only scroll through DU looking for a place to take a shit on Obama and anyone who dares to still support him. You never offer a plan to keep Romney out of the White House other than a mysterious third party candidate who is staunchly anti war and vehemently pro-constitution.

At this point it's coming down to either working toward Obama's re-election, or helping Mitt Romney realize his dream job. Trolling DU pretending to be a rightious anti Obama Democrat who is searching for an alternative in 2012 has become a pathetic left wing parody of the Ron Paul Revolution.

[ixion]

20. It has nothing whatsoever to do with 'hating' Obama.

It has to do with being morally/ethically consistent. I WILL NOT support BushCo Era policies just because a guy with a (D) in front of his name is in the WH now.

[JohnnyRingo]

23. Nonsense. Stop pulling that moral superiority card out of your sock, it's getting dog eared.

If you don't see any difference between George Buxh, Mitt Romney, and Barack Obama, you have deeper perception problems than Mr Magoo in a late evening fog.

Am I going to have to endure your Obama hate posts in late October with the future of the country hanging in the balance? I don't care that you refuse to get on the bus, but stop standing in front of it flapping your arms about and pointing out that you think the engine is running a little rough, or that the paint job doesn't meet your incredibly high standards.

All you're doing is lobbying here for a Republican led White House in 2012, and with each passing month ticking to November, it becomes more and more obvious. Personally, I suspect you're a forelorn Ron Paul supporter.

Fortunately it appears your daily trolling for Obama hate/love posts converts no one to your side.

[ixion]

24. I have no 'side'. I have an ethically consistent perspective

that you lack, apparently.

[JohnnyRingo]

26. I clearly have a higher sense of morals than you.

I plan to fight and donate as much as I can afford to prevent the country from falling into the hands that would legislate for a policy of "If you don't work, you don't eat". Your proxy support of a return to Republican White House policies shows a complete absense of a moral compass.

You can get off that high hobby horse of ethics and morals you gleefully rock back and forth on and admit your only goal is to see Obama serve no more than one term. You care not whether unions are crushed, the poor are left to fend for themselves, or the sick are left to die, as long as you can get Obama out, and by default, a Republican in.

"Ethically consistent" indeed. Go shovel your load of rightious horseshit down the throats of the Freepers where they'll at least appreciate your anti-Obama efforts. The more you argue, the further you tip your Ron Paul Revolution hand.

[ixion]

28. Why would that be?

Because you support Endless War and Indefinite Detention without trial? What's so moral about that?

What's moral about supporting Pax Americana? Nothing, in my opinion.

Ethically consistent means I believe the same things now that I believed when Bush was in office. Period. You can try and spin it politically, but that is precisely the point: It is APOLITICAL. I don't believe in politics. I believe in Truth. I know that's difficult for True Believers to accept, but ultimately it's the way that will prevail.

Have fun supporting the Empire.

[JohnnyRingo]

29. What the fuck are you doing posting in a political forum if you "don't believe in politics"?

Are you trying to talk us into joining you in some wet dream utopia where politics are non-existant irrelevent, and ixion is our exhalted leader? GFY.

I've read your posts where you cried your fucking eyes out over the death of bin Laden while pushing for a White House that would kick displaced American workers to the curb. I've heard you whine like a dying feral cat about the Iraqi casualties while pleading for a candidate in the White House that would end what he calls "Obamacare". You're as one dimensional as a coat of olive drab paint.

If I could nominate anyone to held in detention without a trial, it would be you dumbass Ron Paul people who would take the country on some bizarre libertarian sleigh ride of self reliance straight to the depths of hell. Thank goodness Ron Paul at least supports legalizing heroin, because I'd have to do a lethal dose to end the suffering he'd bring to the country. But hey! The war's over!! Let's have a fucking parade.

And stop using stupid code like "true believers". It's as silly and insulting as "The Messiah" that the other Republicans use when abasing Democrats.

One person in DU has me on ignore, and I was so hoping it was you.

[ixion]

31. I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything...

So apparently you've been stalking me. Good for you. My concern about the bin Laden assassination was that it was extra judicial, which you'd know if you had bothered to actually read the posts. I don't condone extra-judicial assassination no matter who it may be.

Get help. Seriously.

[Summer Hathaway]

35. Oh, yeah!

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. +1000

"FUCK RON PAUL"

[Number23]

50. Damn, I need a freaking cigarette after reading this exchange!

Good LORD!

But you guys better enjoy it while you can because we all know that any second, the "jury" will be along to cleanse it away. I was called a "dickhead" and a jury let it stand (don't you have to HAVE a dick to be called a dickhead?) but my response calling the person who called me a dickhead an "asshole" was hidden.

The New DU and all.

[Tarheel_Dem]

64. The best smackdown I've seen in awhile. And don't get me started on "the jury". It's bullshit.

And allows the admins to take a handsoff approach to their own enterprise. Let's see how long this "jury" things works out. When the GOP picks their nominee, and Pres. Obama is confirmed as ours, let's see if this jury things becomes inconvenient, and the admins will have to find a new workaround.

And yes indeed, it would certainly be more anatomically feasible to have a dick, if you're gonna be a dickhead. But don't despair, some of my best friends are "dickheads".

By the way, did you hear Melissa H-P is getting her own weekend show?

[Number23]

70. No! What channel??

MSNBC or something else? She is fabulous.

Edit: And this part of your post is the God's own truth: "And allows the admins to take a handsoff approach to their own enterprise."

They have pretty much admitted that they're letting the monkeys run the zoo http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=6110

[Tarheel_Dem]

71. And flinging shit from cage to cage.

Oh, and MHP's show will be on MSNBC, and I agree she's fabulous.

[Swede]

45. Righteous post.

I wish I could K&R this.

[Number23]

46. Yep, I definitely love you.

There's no commitment involved, really. It just means that you'll probably be getting quite a few of the smileys from me on occasion.

I'm not a stalky type at all and only one other person in DU history has gotten this from me. But come to think of it, he (BlooinBloo) eventually got tombstoned so maybe it's not such a great thing!

[inna]

59. wow. this is one of the vilest and most vicious personal attacks i've ever seen on DU, or elsewhere.

absolutely malicious and (beyond) disgusting defamatory post; my first alert on DU3.

::whistles in disbelief::

[A-Schwarzenegger]

60. fyi...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=130487

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

egregious and outrageous personal attack and malicious defamation; truly *vile* attack. This is my very first alert on DU3; I hardly ever alert in general but this is some some of the most vicious and abusive postings I've ever seen on DU.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:37 AM, and the Jury voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: This whole back and forth is nothing more than calling each other out in a rude, disruptive manner. They should all be hidden, starting with this one.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The post does not seem to be especially abusive on its surface. I'd need to see the entire exchange to determine whether the response is unfair or not.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: this is the first time i have chosen to hide a thread on DU3 when asked to do the jury thing. sorry but this is indeed an attack - i understand the frustration people can have when standing up for their side - but it needs to be done in a more civil fashion.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: This seems like a personal attack. I hope posts like this do not become the norm in General Discussion.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Bloody fine rant. Earned its hide.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Over the top...yes.

[Number23]

72. High fives Juror #5

And inna may have won that minor battle, but ultimately the war was lost.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=117055&sub=trans

[A-Schwarzenegger]

77. Thank you.

[Bobbie Jo]

79. LOL!

It was just vile, VILE I tell you!

....and

[inna]

85. what exactly do you find so amusing, bobbie? share the hilarity with the community.

[Number23]

44. "you have deeper perception problems than Mr Magoo in a late evening fog."

I think I might love you a little bit...

[NYC Liberal]

47. .

[Number23]

43. DAMN! Tell it!

Trolling DU pretending to be a rightious anti Obama Democrat who is searching for an alternative in 2012 has become a pathetic left wing parody of the Ron Paul Revolution.

You just won the thread.

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Girl, I love me some JohnnyRingo. Fake assed democrats are all the rage.

[Number23]

73. I kind of love him too

But I'm not sure that the poster he thoroughly and utterly REAMED feels the same way

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=117055&sub=trans

[inna]

90. "thoroughly and utterly REAMED" (as in, TS'd)??? are you fucking serious? disturbing and sick

to the point it *should* be against the TOS *and* thoroughly and well-deservedly bannable.

Your violent hateful bigotry has no place on DU.


I am actually absolutely INCREDULOUS that this sort of flagrantly abusive behavior is allowed on DU.


In context, here's what is being cheered on here (in most of the subthread: see posts 35 through 68) with such, uh, unrestrained glee:

QUOTE:
Take your self appointed moral high ground, your sympathy for alQaeda, your unsolicited medical advice, your cries to unseat Obama, roll them all together in your Ron Paul yard sign, and shove them collectively up your ass.
END QUOTE.

(quoted from post #33, now hidden. Not only flagrant lie and smear and defamation of a solidly progressive, long-term poster, but also violent anti-gay rhetorics bordering on a threat or at least intimidation. Seriously, this is not a personal attack, this is more like a personal *assault*, for Christ's sakes.)



Is this sort of utterly vile and abusive behavior OK with the admins? I would really like to know the answer.

[Number23]

91. You need a cup of tea

and a SERIOUSLY long break from DU. Like, forever.

[Bobbie Jo]

80. !

[inna]

86. .

[FarLeftFist]

19. If you're not voting for the D presidential nominee then please GTFO of here!

[ixion]

21. meh

whatever.

[FarLeftFist]

30. No, really, it's against TOS.

[JohnnyRingo]

32. I've been fighting an unwilling battle with this guy for weeks

He's a Ron Paul idiot who learned early on not to come right out and say it anymore.

So instead he trolls the forum looking for posts that either commend or condemn Obama so he can put his libertarian two cents in, usually beginning the reply with: "You Democrats...". He goes on and on how he hates Obama and Clinton. He claims he hates Bush and Reagan equally to prove some ridiculous balance, and he does all this from a self identified position that his anti-war stance makes him some shielded liberal mind here.

I almost wouldn't mind his opinion if he wasn't so smug in denouncing anyone who supports Obama as being morally inferior to him. There are a lot of people here who make a reasonable case for Obama not being liberal enough, but this guy is just insufferably cocky and intolerant.

One DUer has me on ignore, and I was so hoping it was him so he'd quit responding to me with his one term for Obama bullshit.

[FarLeftFist]

55. People have issues. Btw, how do you see how many are ignoring?

[JohnnyRingo]

57. Go to:

"My Profile" (Yours, not mine LOL)
Click "Transparency" Tab
Click "Show Transparency"

BTW, after this thread today I'm up to three now.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. Up to "3"? Count it as a blessing. They can't alert what they can't see.

Believe me, I understand your righteous indignation at the blatant 3rd party trolling, disguised as discontent. I'm up to 12 ignores, and wear it as a badge of honor. I think ignores work to my advantage.

[Ikonoklast]

58. Whatever, indeed. Bye.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=117055&sub=trans

Admins taking TOS violations quite seriously, yet some people didn't read the memo...or willingly chose to ignore it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

68. Oh snap!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

74. You're celebrating Ixion's ban?

Why?

[Tarheel_Dem]

78. Because I dislike Ron Paul & his supporters?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

81. Stay classy.

[Tarheel_Dem]

82. Right back at ya!

[inna]

87. disgusting and despicable attempt at defamation of a solid progressive poster

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. Are you attacking me, personally? If so.....

[Number23]

92. But he's a "solid progressive!1" Why? He hates the president and loves

Ron Paul, don't he? Aren't those the sole qualifications for being a "true," and "real" liberal amongst some around here?

[Tarheel_Dem]

93. Well, he can be "solid" & "progressive" somewhere else. I'll be glad when these primaries are done.

If Skinner doesn't rework the rules, there will probably be a lot more kamikaze posting, and it might even help our little community come together again.

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. He signed the NDAA to protect peaceful...oh, wait. nt

[99th_Monkey]

36. +1 nt

[JohnnyRingo]

7. Why, what have you heard?

How long do you think it'll be before Obama bans school books and sends a nuke tipped Tomahawk missile into Iran? It's just something we have to think about.

Seriously, why not review the fate of The Bonus Soldiers, Hooverville, or Native Americans at Alcatraz? None of those historic occupations ended well at all. The OWS is not treading new ground, and I think those examples are a better analogy than the civil rights protests. Claiming OWS is a group of Americans fighting because of lost rights based on physical lineage is a stretch.

I'm all for the cause, but I don't expect to see this group burning down NYC this winter, nor do I expect to see Bloomberg sending in Browning Automatic Rifles and killer dogs to stop them from doing so. The overreaction in the '60s deep south was based on pure racial hatred, OWS is just a sore tooth to the city. They may try to have it extracted in time, but they won't do it with a shotgun to the city's happy face.

[SidDithers]

12. 'Bout the same time he starts throwing people into FEMA camps...nt

Sid

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Do you mean the Federal Emergecy Management Agency or

The Foreign Extraterritorial Measures Act?

[SidDithers]

17. *plonk*...nt

Sid

[Number23]

51. Good idea, Sid. When someone is trying to insult you with a post full of typos, it's better to just

walk away.

[99th_Monkey]

37. I'm sure if that happened, it would be "for our own good"

that's how the terrorist thought-crime meme works you know.

[randome]

13. He's watching you now, you know.

[lonestarnot]

14. Military is already making mention of rebellion at reduction, so having a hard time figuring

out who works for whom.

[99th_Monkey]

38. not sure what you mean

by military "making mention of rebellion at reduction" .. sorry for being so dense; but
can you say that another way plz.?

[hifiguy]

22. Shortly after the heat death of

the universe.

[99th_Monkey]

39. Is that like when Hell freezes over? nt

[hifiguy]

41. Whether (nonexistent) hell is exothermic or endothermic

the result is the same. It either radiates heat, which is a product of molecular motion, and will freeze over when the universe becomes so cold that all atomic motion ceases, or it absorbs heat, and will freeze over when there is no heat left to absorb as atomic motion ceases. Hell is destined to freeze over no matter what. Simple thermodynamics.

[freshwest]

94. Quit that! Black holes are our friends and cause good things to happen. Ain't teh innertubes grate?

[SomethingFishy]

25. The NDAA had a number of provisions

that could be incredibly harmful to OWS if misused. Including funding for new "non-lethal weapons".

That's the problem with the bill. Same problem I have with de-regulating corporations. Do we really trust these people to do the right thing?

[Rex]

27. We live in a 'soft porn' dictatorship/plutocracy.

and you can thank the GOP for making it this way.

[treestar]

34. I don't know how you could possibly consider these things to be the same in intensity

The South in the 60s? The OWS should be embarrassed to claim that they are suffering the same intensity of violence.

[99th_Monkey]

42. Actually

Last edited Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:45 PM - Edit history (1)

It was not my intention to diminish the 60s civil rights struggles, nor to suggest
that we elevate the OWS beatings, pepper spray, etc incidents to that level of
violent repression.

So your point is well taken, in that -- so far-- no lynch mobs have strung up any
OWS protesters on lamp-posts, and no one has died from police violence towards
OWS Peeps.

That said, however, I still think my original point was also well taken, in that OWS
protesters ARE being beaten, randomly arrested and often held for days and days,
only to be told "no charges" are being brought, and they are released.

There are reports recently of OWS protesters in Oakland being detained in cramped
vans with no bathroom breaks, food, water, etc. for up to 6-7 hours at a time; and
also instances such as Scott Olsen in Oakland, being critically injured (nearly killed)
by a projectile tear gas canister. so .. and of course NONE of this (or very little)
ever gets any real coverage on the M$M.

Also, these instances of deliberate calculated police violence and random arrests and
detentions are no more "acceptable" to me, just because the people being abused
by police are not ethnic minorities.

So I really DO hear your concern, yet would appreciate some indication that you hearing
mine as well.

[treestar]

52. Federal troops

I suppose it would take a lot for them to be sent. With OWS, so far most states will (or should get a chance to) deal with their own rogue police. Whereas in the South, you had the state apparatus itself fully behind the violations. IOW, I would still see the states and municipalities involved, unless proven otherwise, as not willing to allow police to engage in these abuses and penalizing them for it. That they would react to a person's complaint they were abused by police, rather than actually approve of the police doing these things.

[Tarheel_Dem]

83. Did you have any hesitation in calling for the POTUS to get involved here? It's Oakland, CA,

where you have not one, but two "Democratic" Senators, a "Democratic" governor, a "Democratic" legislature; a "Democratic" mayor, and a host of "Democratic" House Reps. Did you start there first, before making demands of Prez Obama for what's happening on the ground at an OWS rally? Do you have any sense of how ridiculous that sounds?

Oakland OWS has many avenues for redress open to it, while the POTUS has an entire country to run. Look, I know you were probably engaging in a little silly hyperbole, but why not deal with what's real? And if OWS has any real concerns for their safety, use the proper channels, like everyone else.

This thread is so full of irony, I can't help but chuckle. There were folks pleading Ron Paul's case here, and if it were up to Ron Paul, there wouldn't be a fed. The local & state police could kick your ass from one end of the state to the other, and you would have absolutely no recourse with the federal government. "You're On Your Own" is RP's mantra.

[99th_Monkey]

88. My OP was admittedly in jest, in large part. The contrast seemed noteworthy. that's all.

thanks for playing.

[socialist_n_TN]

49. Leaving aside the fact that you actually SAID it was only a difference

in degree NOT a difference in kind, in most cases the OFFICIAL repression in the south during the civil rights era wasn't that much worse than the repression against the Occupy movement. Pepper spray and tear gas instead of fire hoses, which is more benign? The murders of civil rights workers happened by OUTSIDE agents (the Klan), not the police.

[treestar]

53. But then there was a lot more disorder in that society

Also it could be said the police refused to enforce laws against the Klan, with the consent of the state. And you are right that OWS has no violent opposition to them amongst the citizenry (no equivalent of the Klan).

[Puregonzo1188]

48. I suspect the FBI is already there. And they will probably "protect" them the same way they did the

civil rights protesters.

[99th_Monkey]

54. Kinda like this?

<a href="" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="Protecting & Serving?"></a>

[Puregonzo1188]

56. Ha yes! For the police, though for the FBI I was thinking something more subtle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

Like you pic though.

[JoePhilly]

75. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad

And another manufactured outrage widget rolls of the assembly line.

[SidDithers]

84. +1...nt

Sid