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There are only two societies in the rich world where life is getting shorter, poorer, meaner, and more hopeless fast. Where life expectancies, incomes, and savings are all falling. America and Britain. Where middle classes have imploded, people live hand to mouth, and upward mobility has all but vanished. Where the idea of living a better life is somewhere between a joke and a distant memory. Where entire generations of young people at last count, three, Gen X, Millennials, and Get Z live worse lives than their parents and grandparents. Just two such societies where trust, happiness, and purpose have all imploded catastrophically while depression, rage, anxiety, and suicide are all surging.
America and Britain have entered a vicious cycle, a death spiral. Its a novel and bizarre phenomenon for a modern, rich society, unseen since Weimar Germany. It goes like this. In the 1980s, America began decades of underinvestment in public goods and social systems. It privatized whatever there was to privatize. The idea was that whatever it was healthcare, education, finance the private sector could do it better. The Reagan Revolution was in full effect as a backlash to the advances civil rights made in the 1960s and 1970s, the good white American using choice as a shield to protect themselves from ever having to invest in or mingle with those dirty, filthy subhumans. All that was called neoliberalism. Let markets sort it all out! Translation: let the strong survive, and the weak perish.
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At the same time, the private sector which was supposed to provide good healthcare, education, retirement, finance, and so on, began to charge the average American more and more for these things, while lowering their quality. After all, corporations are profit-seeking entities: their motivation is money. And so over time, the average American began to pay prices for things that astonished the rest of the world: $50K for childbirth, $200K for an education, and so on. How could they afford the basics of life at ever increasing prices when their incomes had begun to stagnate? They couldnt so they began to go into massive debt (and today, the average American dies in debt.)
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We are seeing a weird and gruesome new thing in the modern world. Rich countries which become failed states. In a precise and hard sense: they enter death spirals of austerity-poverty which cause a chain reaction self-destruction. That is the story of America and Britains twin collapses. Having let their investment rates fall too low, kicking off a vicious spiral of austerity and poverty leading to more austerity and poverty which left the average person too poor to invest in anyone else, let alone him or herself now no recovery towards a path of progress may be possible. Their future is just more of this, more regress, only harder and faster. Their destiny now well may be written in stone. They are joining nations like Russia and Venezuela in decline and collapse.
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More: https://eand.co/why-american-and-britain-are-self-destructing-a8693ebb097
tblue37
(65,340 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,261 posts)Australia -- Murdock's original home -- will have even shorter life expectancies after everyone dies of complications of smoke inhalation from those oh-so-climate-hoaxy fires.
Thanks, Hedda ! I'm off to read the whole article.
I've always loved your screen name but hadn't noticed you for awhile.
drmeow
(5,017 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,975 posts)we have to kill zombie reagan. we still live under voodoo ekonomikkks. 1st they killed unions.....
Myrddin
(327 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)aka neo-liberalism.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)It's all a very serious state of affairs.
*FYI Folks, another important post worth checking out today, in Gen. Disc.:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212758844
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)Is America Becoming A Third World Country? 2019.
hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)society. I'll fight to my end, but I'm no longer hoping for excessive longevity (if I ever did).
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)Exemplified by the "selling" of governments,
the privatization of social services,
the austerity economics of the Austrian School to excuse wealth and taxation inequities,
and central banks' 'deals' with insurgent black markets through cartel and mafia money laundering.
It all could be in preparation for the collapse of nature brought on by fossil fuel wars, both of which the stealth extractor sector has brought upon us. Russia and Venezuela will scrabble through "unorthodox" means with bankers, media, societies, etc. to survive.
I say that what's happening are the symptoms, not the causes, of problems that are not of our making. People reasonably react to unreasonable circumstances not of their making.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)All of this IS of our making. We've stood by watching as it has all unfolded.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)"we" is possibly different than you imagine.
"WE" never "stood by watching." Honesty has never had anything to do with any collective "us." But the freedom of free wills has.
"WE" who you claimed stood by watching, were busy living, working, and rightfully assuming truth and good faith of our leaders doing their work, too, but who lied -- LIED -- to us. Those leaders never dared say what they thought outright, but they thought it "best" to structurally make it "self evident" that people of color, women, children had fundamental constitutional rights. And no fundamental rights of education and health care, though those fall into "life, liberty and the pursuit of property..."
Your linked article uses countries only 1/10th our size as examples of what protests have done. The dynamics of unity toward change work much more quickly in small countries, and so, because so-called 'studiers' of nonviolent resistance in Sudan, Algeria, Philippines, Estonia, Georgia have successes, maybe, not countries like Russia, China and the U.S.
This has been too big a ship to scale up the dynamics of other countries' success. There is no "if little countries could do it, so can we." One might as well imply that grownups are at fault for not having the physical and moral dexterity of children.
As has been shown by most big countries, the U.S.'s greatest protest successes, no matter how non-violent at the start, came with a lot of death and destruction. It was not the nonviolent resisters' fault. Wars for resource wealth and land base and human control are waged within and across countries by those who do or don't don't live there, yet already own the most lawyers, guns and money.
We could collectively win a civil war using those same forces for, but the cost, as we've seen historically, is hard to pay, the trauma and wounds hard to heal from. The interference, as Venezuela is seeing, hard to fight off.
If we're honest with ourselves.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)But we won't make any progress until we're honest with ourselves.
Writing ourselves a pass for standing by while oligarchs buy the government is enabling behavior. Period.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)themselves of parasitism. What we have is worth keeping if it weren't so hard to fend off the stealth robbers in our so-called representative leadership.
It's not about people's honesty. The truth about ourselves is that we're not in this situation for lack of trying not to be.
Structurally, 'we' are 'represented.' For generations our representation has often MISrepresented our interests, which, if we're honest, we'd rid ourselves of if we were not lied to. Yet SCOTUS has declared there to be no law against lying. That's structural. "WE" didn't stand by and "let" that happen. We didn't enable SCOTUS to declare lying okay under 1A.
The honest effort of trying rid ourselves of the dishonest has gotten to be structurally disabling for us, leaving us with little to no recourse; and on top of that, it's become a full time job in itself.
Eventually, when dishonesty becomes the standard, honesty is subversive. There is no truth that hurts when the honest are labeled "domestic terrorists" and "enemy combatants" or "commies" and "socialists," or when they in no way stood by and, if was within their power, let the "gold make the rules." Power will never tell anyone how to undo it.
It's neurotic to let the powerful tell us we only have ourselves to blame, that we're not honest about ourselves. It's class war propaganda.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)If we haven't learned by now that our elected representatives do not have our best interests at heart, shame on us.
If we have learned it but still stand by while they rape and pillage everything in sight, shame on us.
What are you saying? That we did our duty by going to the voting booth and now we wash our hands of any responsibility for the fallout? Well, okay, but we're still idiots for letting them get away with it.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)It is still neurotic to call us responsible for the irresponsible.
I can't tell you the number of people I live around who work two or more jobs. They are not irresponsible, but they don't have the capacities, after taking care of their families of children and elderly, to keep up with the irresponsible in government. Their voting day, on work days, is suppressed by their economic and health stresses, and they're vulnerable to promises of "strong man" rule. That is one truth that hurts more than just them. We can reasonably hold these people responsible for not voting,
We can absolutely hold people responsible for voting out of spite, prejudice, ignorance and shallow immaturity. That was 19.5% of Americans in 2016. Because of irresponsible, lying panderers. We are not responsible for that part of 'we.'
The rest of "we" did well in 2018. As a whole "we," we're showing momentum toward voting into office an honest government.
Let this swell be a blue tsunami at the polls.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)We just cannot move forward from any "shame on us" standard of constructive change.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Accepting responsibility for our own roles in allowing it to happen is the first step towards fixing it.
Or we can tsk tsk and hope it goes away. And with that I'm going away, from this thread. Good night.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)Through Trump.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)laundering for decades. The corruptions of which strangle all kinds of legitimate economic gains by everyday people. Only those "in on" the "art" of THAT deal do well, and always at the expense of much bigger numbers of people.
"We" are not responsible for playing vigilante against big time robber barons, though their feudal brains think "we" are suckers.
They're practicing their steps to bring this country to its knees, but we're not Amerikastan yet.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,163 posts)When feudalism died, it was because the royals took everything. They thought if they take it all from those in weaker positions, they will then be able to gain even more by letting it out little by little charging outrageous fees or labor taxes. But what happens is that the serf and worker just give up when they have nothing.
First they try to steal it but then police and courts become more and more draconian. This is why the US has more people in jail then any other country in the world. Then they run away, go bankrupt and give up. They try protest too but with no real power, no one listens to them. Even Obama crushed the backs of occupy and no one really cared.
Now, after destroying the protests, the lords and corporations know they have a green light to crush us all.
Capitalism is now consolidating everything into a few filthy rich people's hands. That is was what feudalism did too. All wealth goes to the wealthy. Power goes to the already powerful. But taxes and payment and fees and laws and petty rules go onto the poor and powerless.
It will end but with what is not clear. This is the inevitable stagnation and destruction of capitalism that Marx described. Capitalism is an unfair, cruel and dysfunctional economic system and the patches FDR put on it have been removed. The end of this failed economic system like the end of USSR style communism is coming to the end. But what comes next is unknown.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)they are a few, yes. But they're more than a few.
And findable. There's just no jurisdictional enforcement -- whether it's the UN's military force, Interpol, ICC, US military, or even the FBI -- to bring them to the tax table to have that sitdown and give them the ultimatum.
There are 2,604 billionaires in the world, 607 of them in the U.S., and 40% of those in New York and California. We've got 420 more than the next closest country, China. Worldwide they're worth over US$9.1 trillion, up from US$7.67 trillion in 2017. The top eight worldwide own as much combined wealth as half the human race.
https://wealthygorilla.com/top-20-richest-people-world/
Looks like the world's 46.8 MILLION MILLIONAIRES collectively own more $ than the other half of humans, owning approximately $158.3 trillion.
Global wealth grew in 2019 to $360 trillion, according to the Global Wealth Report published Monday from the Credit Suisse Research Institute.
It's not a few. It's a big club, and we ain't in it. But we know their names.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)This is not going to end well.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Thank you for sharing
Upthevibe
(8,042 posts)I'm glad I've put in my order to The Universe that this isn't the planet in which I want to reincarnate...
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)the ideas of the right wing republicans.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)The nation falls apart, nation states and city states arise, with corporate monopolies running most of them, along with the rise of technology especially virtual reality, the value of a lived life decreases, the value of life itself nothing.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Quite fictional. Im very picky about movies and I almost never watch TV.
Now, is there a particular reason you asked?
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I think you've answered my question.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)NJCher
(35,662 posts)in the magazine section, that says:
If the opposition to Boris Johnsons incumbent Conservatives can beat the odds and win on Thursday, the Battle of Brexit, which has paralyzed politics for 3½ years, is likely to be prolonged for a while yet, with the prospect of at least one more national vote in 2020. Its possible that one outcome could be the eventual breakup of the kingdom itself.
erronis
(15,241 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,788 posts)CousinIT
(9,241 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Rush Limbaugh's show was placed on most of those stations for free, for a percentage of ad placement/revenue. Who supported the costs of his show running in the red for what must have been years until enough sponsors could be found to actually pay for it? Who has bankrolled him and more of his brethren than could possibly draw large audiences? Who paid for major stations with nearly nationwide broadcasting power?
Limbaugh lost nearly all of his sponsors due to effective advertiser boycotts a few years back. His syndicator filed for bankruptcy. Nevertheless, he was paid $20 million or so with a likely percentage of ad revenues himself. Who created the right wing noise machine and put all those monsters on the air? Who bought the local stations and replaced all their shows with noxious propaganda and lies? It wasn't done because their show were popular because they weren't. Not for years and maybe not even now. They often replaced programming that was much more popular and the demand for change certainly didn't come from a pre-existing audience.
We know Rupert Murdoch funded Fox News for years while they lost millions each year. Who paid to create Limbaugh and his many clones? It didn't just happen. Nor, for that matter, did the sudden surge of right wing Xtian stations at about the same time.
certainot
(9,090 posts)station in the area, where people can get news sports and weather with a clear signal so they get basic advertising that way to pay rent
stop rush etc and anyone who calls those advertisers knows a lot of the adverstisers don't or can't defend their ads on those stations, aaa lot didn't know how noxious the message was they were beign associated with, a lot of them believe the ad execs explanation it's just political entertainment, and a lot of them will explain they were trying to save money so they give up some control about where they go.
it would not take much activism, as in protesting some of the 87 universities that keep lmbaugh going, to convince the ad industry that artificial intelligence makes it so easy cheap and fast to transcribe talk radio shows anywhere in the world and associate those businesses directly with content that they will have to start asking those businesses if they really want to support the hate and lies.
the whole thing will collapse and market forces will destroy it, opening up stations for other talk.
as for subsidizing it, i wouldn't be surprised if some of those russian oligarchs got in there to help out. there were times that the recently capitalist russia was seen as model of free market capitalism so they were getting praise that way so guys like lev and igor and butina could really make headway
radius777
(3,635 posts)like Murdoch, Kochs, Mercers (who fund the alt right and social media stuff), why RW media isn't subject to market forces.
Alot of this country (especially rural) is simply retrograde and wants to consume it, plays into their hatred of 'the other'.
Liberal constituencies also don't listen much to radio, it's simply a different audience.
IMO, social media (facebook,twitter,youtube,etc) are far bigger problems because memes and narratives form there and then take over mainstream media.
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)A good article from the UK in April that summarizes much of how we got to this point:
Neoliberalism promised freedom instead it delivers stifling control
Creeping privatisation is rolling back the state to create a new, absolutist bureaucracy that destroys efficiency
George Monbiot @GeorgeMonbiot
Wed 10 Apr 2019
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/10/neoliberalism-freedom-control-privatisation-state
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Workers find themselves enmeshed in a Kafkaesque bureaucracy, centrally controlled and micromanaged. Organisations that depend on a cooperative ethic such as schools and hospitals are stripped down, hectored and forced to conform to suffocating diktats. The introduction of private capital into public services that would herald a glorious new age of choice and openness is brutally enforced. The doctrine promises diversity and freedom but demands conformity and silence.
Much of the theory behind these transformations arises from the work of Ludwig von Mises. In his book Bureaucracy, published in 1944, he argued that there could be no accommodation between capitalism and socialism. The creation of the National Health Service in the UK, the New Deal in the US and other experiments in social democracy would lead inexorably to the bureaucratic totalitarianism of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
He recognised that some state bureaucracy was inevitable; there were certain functions that could not be discharged without it. But unless the role of the state is minimised confined to defence, security, taxation, customs and not much else workers would be reduced to cogs in a vast bureaucratic machine, deprived of initiative and free will. By contrast, those who labour within an unhampered capitalist system are free men, whose liberty is guaranteed by an economic democracy in which every penny gives a right to vote. He forgot to add that some people, in his capitalist utopia, have more votes than others. And those votes become a source of power.
The situation we're in also explains why unemployment is so low for both nations. Stagnated wages, savings lost to the big recession, inflation and massive personal debt leaves many no choice but to work more hours, more than one job and put to work those who normally would not. New jobs mostly are bottom-dollar pay.
Purging us of the right-wing world-wide is the only cure but the public has zero will to do so......
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)demanding reproductive urges to parts of the brain that are supposed to be patient and objective, such as to quantify, measure, do math - stuff the left brain has a lot to do with - resulting in an increased need for more, bigger, faster - greed-based capitalism
humans have been masturbating with the wrong hand and some people, especially from the older 'civilizations'/'old world', have evolved with a greater genetic predisposition (have more of the sowb genes) and are more susceptible
certainot
(9,090 posts)rw talk radio.
democracy was designed to deal with much of the shit we're seeing but it's dysfunctional because liberals have ignored talk radio for 30 years. we let professional liars like limbaugh short-circuit the normal feedback mechanisms a democracy needs, and let it be used to create and direct made-to-order pro-corporate constituencies (dittoheads/teabags/trumpers) working off unchallenged lies, first fed by the likes of rove and rw think tanks and increasingly by kremlin think tanks.
without healthy democracy the affluence results in greater sexual repression, higher rates of wrong handed masturbation, and more authoritarianism and greed caused by sex on the wrong brain
pbmus
(12,422 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)if it feels more natural or both hands at the same time - thats why on a general level they have less sowb and that may xplain why males are more likely to be violent jerks aand the differential may explain some misogyny, with females representing scary uncertainty, threatening the male certainty
there's a wide spectrum of right to left hand dominance, with ambidextrous along the way, and they have a scale for it. pure ambidextrous i think is where you are equally adept at doing all things with either hand - probably very rare
pbmus
(12,422 posts)And forced to use my left?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)sandiapeach
(9 posts)What was liberals suppose to do about the hate media? Even today efforts to reign in the hate media runs afoul of freedom of speech.
I agree something must be done, but how to do it without endangering freedom of speech for all might be tricky. The Fairness Doctrine might be a good first step, but only if it also pertains to shows like FOX.
BTW
I think that liberals saw the hate media's lies but did not understand that there was a dangerous percentage of Americans that will believe the lies, embrace the hate and be brainwashed into the Trumpanzees that we see today. The fact that right-wing churches spewed the same lies and hate from the pulpit did not help matters. I hope that someday the IRS will be allowed to do their job and start taxing churches who are involved in politics.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)The Gipper left out the first word.
Mickju
(1,803 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)and rw radio is very vulnerable
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that wasin the FCC's viewhonest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011.[1]
The fairness doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The demise of this FCC rule has been considered by some to be a contributing factor for the rising level of party polarization in the United States.[2][3]
The main agenda for the doctrine was to ensure that viewers were exposed to a diversity of viewpoints. In 1969 the United States Supreme Court, in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, upheld the FCC's general right to enforce the fairness doctrine where channels were limited. However, the Court did not rule that the FCC was obliged to do so.[4] The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the doctrine.
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We can thank both the Reagan and G.H.W. Bush administrations for its demise. They both vetoed legislation to reinstate the doctrine. Wouldn't you know it would be Republicans to do away with it. ...more on Wikipedia if interested.
certainot
(9,090 posts)a new FD is about impossible because of years of RW propaganda infecting the country about a new FD for radio being a free speech attack and our city dwelling pundits have no clue what a huge factor talk radio has been the last 30 years-
but artificial intelligence makes it unnecessary now. it is much easier, cheaper, and faster to digitize talk radio aand with a little activism it makes aa stoprush x 100 inevitable. when the ad industry gets the message and has to ask advertisers if they agree with the hate lies and global warming denial on those stations the monopoly will fall apart
protests at a few of the 87 universities that still broadcast sports on 260 limbaugh stations would force it
here are some egs of kremlin/putin use of US rw radio, and apparently brexit's champion nigel farage is aa talk radio host!
2008 Palin
Manafort was McCain campaign cochair. McCain was thinking about Pawlenty and even Lieberman. Limbaugh wouldnt support McCain, a looming disaster for the GOP convention. Minutes before the start of the Limbaugh show on the Friday before the GOP convention McCain publicly chose Palin and Limbaugh used the announcement to finally support McCain. Did he have prior knowledge of it? At that time Alaska Gov Palin was being courted by Russians re oil and gas.
Tea Party
The Koch brothers gave them bus passes but talk radio and Fox played a big part giving them talking points, publicizing them, and coordinating them. Did the Kremlin use talk radio to help coordinate Tea Party and Republican obstruction and attacks during the Obama administration?
2009 Climategate from Russian-hacked emails
In 2009 Limbaugh started the Climategate hoax based on Russian-hacked emails, a development timed to sabotage Obama at the Copenhagen climate talks. Every year we delay on global warming is worth billions to Putin, not just the Kochs.
2011 Defaulting on the Debt
In 2011 Limbaugh spent 2 months trying to get Republicans to force the US to default, something Putin would enjoy more that any US billionaire.
2012 Benghazi
Many of the Trump/Russian-related material used in trolling re Hillary Clinton came out of the 2012 Benghazi embassy attack. Talk radio did the heavy lifting repetition re emails, etc. that ties into all this crap were dealing with now.
One of the lies talk radio spread required head of PR for the US marines to make a public rebuttal. It was all over national and local talk radio that Obama and Clinton had prohibited US marines guarding US embassies from carrying live ammo. They were basically encouraging attacks on US embassies. Did that come from the Drudge report, Breitbart, or the Russians?
The entire Hillary email issue related to her using a private server she knew republicans would try to get her private emails and leak selected items to 1500 radio stations.
Kremlin callers?
Calls to national talkers can reach millions.
Since Republican radio has been shown to use paid callers, why not Kremlin callers instead of Heritage Foundation callers? Automated call screening software might be programmed to advance calls from GOP think tanks. That might be easy to hack but it wouldnt be a surprise to find out that a Russian company makes good call screening software at a great price ..
Callers play an important part in keeping local talk radio hosts in line with Limbaugh, prompting topics, and suggesting lies, scandals, and violence.
Kremlin emailers?
When the shutdown started I heard the local blowhard read an email from a listener who cheered the shutdown, saying government workers were lazy scammers.
How many other local blowhards in states all over the country read the same email, and did it come from the White House, a GOP think tank, or maybe even the Kremlin?
That is the problem of ignoring RW radio.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Superb macro-analyses.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I don't know what the age demographics on DU are these days - but I've definitely noticed that individual political memories seem shorter.
Like in this thread, actually. Bringing up Rupert Murdoch as a proximate cause, when he is actually just another effect of a much older strain of political pathology - as pointed out so incisively in the Monbiot article in another post in this thread.
Anyway, having just turned 70 last month, I can't help but appreciate how the broad sweep of memory affects my perception of the way of the world.
Unfortunately, I seem to rarely have the energy to express it on DU anymore.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)...and for the opportunity to add my tears and fears.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Unbridled capitalism is destroying the two oldest, most power democracies in human history. Their intellectual apologists and their prodigy are also to blame, but it starts with Reagan and Thatcher.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Both nations are getting richer if one just looks at GDP (which economist invariably do). So pointing out that both countries are dying doesn't the weight that it should. Eventhough both countries are richer, larger and larger fractions of that wealth have been concentrating into a small number of hands, until today, where that fraction is nearing 1.
History has had a way of correcting the problem, and if the hyper-rich were smart, they would be shitting bricks to share a large piece of their wealth with the rest of society. But instead of sharing, they are instead choosing to sacrifice the lives of their descendants to bloody upheaval.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Some in the plutocracy are smart enough to recognize the danger they're creating for themselves...
https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_hanauer_beware_fellow_plutocrats_the_pitchforks_are_coming?language=en#t-259097
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)There was the influential Powell Memo (sort of a blueprint for corporatocracy) that was written in the early '70s, and before that was the white backlash to the Civil Rights Movement and the Southern Strategy (a basis for Reagan's dog whistling).
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Both built on that blueprint to make neoliberalism cool to the masses. And the masses ate it up in the time of stagflation and layoffs. Sure, things weren't great in the late 70's / early 80's, but huge swaths of the middle class took the wrong solution to those problems and in the end destroyed the future for themselves, their children and grandchildren. Nearly 40 years later, some have seen the error in their ways, while many are drawn deeper into the cult by the conservo-nut noise machine, perpetuation their own and their family's economic destruction.
blm
(113,052 posts)Thanks hedda
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Reagan and his gang did light the fuse on our downward spiral. Fox News and right wing radio sped it up. Corporate radio stations owners dumped high rated liberal talk shows for lower rated right wing talk because they would get the money back in other ways like tax cuts.
And here we are, millions voted for a crass vulgar not too bright rich kid who has inherited 55 million from Daddy and managed to go bankrupt. The dumbing down of America on steroids.
moondust
(19,979 posts)is not sustainable in the long run?
I remember when capitalists hated the old Soviet 5-year plans. China still has them. Maybe Western capitalists should have done something similar to encourage some occasional long-term thinking in the interest of sustainability?
gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme...
roamer65
(36,745 posts)There will be a second independence referendum and Scotland will leave and stay in the EU.
democrank
(11,094 posts)What would happen if consumers were allowed to use credit cards only if their balances were paid in full at the end of each month? We would certainly have a clearer understanding of just how well were all doing.
What would become of our insatiable appetite for consumerism? How would we change? What would life look like? Would we force our representatives to concentrate on basics? What would happen to greed? Would we see a return of the common good? What would the reaction be to a more noticeable, more obvious haves vs. have-nots?
Perhaps its my old age, but I see more schemes than systems, more me than we.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...medical bills, car trouble, etc.
democrank
(11,094 posts)I guess my point was this richest nation on earth we hear so often, doesnt tell the true story. If we didnt have credit cards, the soup kitchen lines would be a lot longer, parking lots would house more overnight residents. Hand-to-mouth, week-to-week is a regular pattern of existence for many folks I know. Many of our systems have failed in leadership, design and outcomes.
ansible
(1,718 posts)Response to hedda_foil (Original post)
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McKim
(2,412 posts)This thread and article is one of the most important things I have ever seen on DU. A deeper look at how we got to this place is way more important than day to day tweets about what one candidate said about another. This is real meat. To act politically we must understand the forces that are at work here.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)Thank you Hedda!