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House Rules Committee --OFFICIAL DISCUSSION THREAD-- (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2019 OP
Meeting just began... brooklynite Dec 2019 #1
Committee Chair: James McGovern (MA) brooklynite Dec 2019 #2
Committee Members brooklynite Dec 2019 #3
Teehee. Jinx! Mersky Dec 2019 #6
McGovern opening statement: "The evidence is as clear as it is overwhelming" brooklynite Dec 2019 #4
Rules Committee Members Mersky Dec 2019 #5
Commenter on MSNBC Mersky Dec 2019 #7
So far, McGovern spoke soberly about the task at hand and Mersky Dec 2019 #8
Now, collins, is before the committee Mersky Dec 2019 #9
I just now realized why he looks so familiar Fritz Walter Dec 2019 #27
Lol. Sure could be cast in a remake Mersky Dec 2019 #30
"clock and a calendar know no masters" Mersky Dec 2019 #10
That's OUR congressman. Too proud of him to watch. Hortensis Dec 2019 #52
Raskin made a quip about how rapidly collins spoke Mersky Dec 2019 #11
I can't understand about half of what Collins says. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2019 #15
He really winds up, and just starts going and going... Mersky Dec 2019 #17
Raskin saying that their argument has been, basically, Mersky Dec 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Mersky Dec 2019 #13
Jerry Nadler will not appear before the committee today Mersky Dec 2019 #14
I had to turn it off. I can't listen to them anymore. IMO, Pelosi should put the brakes Vinca Dec 2019 #16
Yeah, he's so tiresome. In a little bit I'm gonna shift to just listening Mersky Dec 2019 #18
The more time and leeway Collins gets, the more he amps up the histrionics. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2019 #19
The time belongs to him as a member. Hortensis Dec 2019 #53
Whoops. Lol. Did collins admit that the court case against Mersky Dec 2019 #20
just listening now bdamomma Dec 2019 #21
McGovern gavels to a recess Mersky Dec 2019 #22
They got nuthin EndlessWire Dec 2019 #23
Instead of dumbing it down, they dumb it up Mersky Dec 2019 #25
Hearing will (probably) resume shortly Mersky Dec 2019 #24
Hearing started again a few mins ago Mersky Dec 2019 #26
Mr Hastings speaking about being in "alternative universes" Mersky Dec 2019 #28
thanks for the play-by-play! Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #29
You're welcome Mersky Dec 2019 #31
Hastings asking his colleagues to show by a raise of hands Mersky Dec 2019 #32
Hastings asking urges the pResident to question why if Mersky Dec 2019 #33
I could listen to Hastings all day. Mersky Dec 2019 #34
Odd lines with Hastings wanting to see what's on the server Mersky Dec 2019 #35
Raskin answered back to Hastings that the Crowdstrike story Mersky Dec 2019 #36
The mouth, collins, wanted to take the conversation in a different Mersky Dec 2019 #37
I recommend watching all of Mr Hastings time Mersky Dec 2019 #38
Republicon Somebody up, just flabbergasted they can't have every single member Mersky Dec 2019 #39
Hastings calling on Somebody with a silver tie and no visible placard Mersky Dec 2019 #40
Somebody is engaging in their game of snare the members that won't Mersky Dec 2019 #41
collins is saying stuff to Somebody Mersky Dec 2019 #42
R-GA to R-GA talking clock and calendar Mersky Dec 2019 #43
do they each have a set time limit, or talk unlimited? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #46
I'm not certain, but I don't think so Mersky Dec 2019 #48
Norma Torres (D-CA) is up Mersky Dec 2019 #44
Torres asserting that, No One is Above the Law Mersky Dec 2019 #45
Strange. jayfish Dec 2019 #47
Committee is taking a brief recess Mersky Dec 2019 #49
Back in Session - burgess (R-Tx) up and going down a social media Mersky Dec 2019 #50
Quiet rager burgess tossing his lamentations over to the loud one Mersky Dec 2019 #51
I have no idea what these two are talking about. Mersky Dec 2019 #54
Democrat (I'll add his name :) has been up for a few mins Mersky Dec 2019 #55
He's trying to define down the nature of the ellipsis section Mersky Dec 2019 #56
I'll be back in here in ten mins or less. Mersky Dec 2019 #57
While I was up and around Mersky Dec 2019 #58
lesko is talking and holding up pages for the camera Mersky Dec 2019 #59
I've gotta run along Mersky Dec 2019 #60

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
2. Committee Chair: James McGovern (MA)
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:18 PM
Dec 2019

James P. McGovern (D-MA) was elected to the House of Representatives in 1996. He was appointed to the House Rules Committee in 2001, named ranking member in 2018, and became Chairman in 2019.

During his time in Congress, Congressman McGovern’s top priority has always been his constituents back home. He has been an advocate for making college more affordable, and authored a bill to increase Pell Grant funding. To protect our environment for future generations to enjoy and to enhance recreational community spaces in urban and suburban neighborhoods, Jim successfully fought to defend the Land and Water Conservation Fund, which provides grants to preserve open space.

Congressman McGovern authored legislation to give tax credits to employers who pay the salaries of National Guard members and Reservists called to active duty. And when the Supreme Court handed down its flawed Citizen’s United decision to allow unlimited amounts of money in politics, Jim introduced several Constitutional Amendments to overturn the court’s decision.

Congressman McGovern is also co-chair of the bipartisan Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission, which investigates international human rights abuses and recommends how the U.S. should foster respect for democratic values abroad. In this role, he has held a spotlight to egregious international human rights violations that would have otherwise gone largely unnoticed.

In 2012, Congressman McGovern authored the Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act, which allows the President to punish foreign officials who the U.S. identifies as corrupt or as human rights abusers. The bill was passed by the Senate later that year and signed into law by President Obama.

As a leading advocate in Congress for peace, Congressman McGovern has repeatedly called attention to the lack of Congressional oversight and approval of America’s wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Throughout his career, Jim has been a voice for reallocating defense spending towards domestic priorities like education, infrastructure, and supporting our veterans and seniors.

One of Congressman McGovern’s greatest passions is ending hunger at home and abroad. He is the founder and co-chair of the House Hunger Caucus and sits on the House Subcommittee on Nutrition, where he advocates tirelessly for funding programs that help working families, children, and the elderly put food on the table when times are tough.

He also authored the McGovern-Dole International Food for Education and Child Nutrition Program to provide school-based meals for millions of children in some of the world’s poorest countries.

Congressman McGovern attended The American University in Washington, D.C. where he earned both his bachelor’s degree in History (‘81) and his Master’s Degree in Public Administration (‘84). He worked his way through college as an intern in the office of Senator George McGovern. He worked for Massachusetts Congressman John Joseph Moakley (D-South Boston) from 1982 until 1996, serving as a staff assistant, press secretary, and legislative director.

It was while working in Moakley’s office that Congressman McGovern met his wife, Lisa Murray McGovern, who was an aide to Congressman Gerry Studds (D-MA). The McGoverns married in 1989 and have two children, Patrick and Molly.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
3. Committee Members
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:20 PM
Dec 2019
Majority Members

Chairman Jim McGovern (D-MA)
Rep. Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL)
Rep. Norma J. Torres (D-CA)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-CO)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD)
Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon (D-PA)
Rep. Joe Morelle (D-NY)
Rep. Donna Shalala (D-FL)
Rep. Mark DeSaulnier (D-CA)

Minority Members

Ranking Member Tom Cole (R-OK)
Rep. Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)
Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-AZ)





Mersky

(4,980 posts)
5. Rules Committee Members
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:22 PM
Dec 2019

Chairman Jim McGovern (D-MA)
Rep. Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL)
Rep. Norma J. Torres (D-CA)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-CO)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD)
Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon (D-PA)
Rep. Joe Morelle (D-NY)
Rep. Donna Shalala (D-FL)
Rep. Mark DeSaulnier (D-CA)

Ranking Member Tom Cole (R-OK)
Rep. Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)
Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-AZ)

https://rules.house.gov/about/rules-committee-members

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
7. Commenter on MSNBC
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:32 PM
Dec 2019

Before the hearing started, said that any members of the House can come before the committee, that filibusters are possible, and is expected to be a full day.

Currently, MSNBC is airing the hearing live.

Other streams:










Mersky

(4,980 posts)
8. So far, McGovern spoke soberly about the task at hand and
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:49 PM
Dec 2019

Even complimented the ranking member for dedication.

The rank member, cole, went on and on about the unfairness and illegitimacy of the process as though it might turn his party into the majority.

Raskin spoke forcefully and is worth watching his opening comments.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
30. Lol. Sure could be cast in a remake
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:43 PM
Dec 2019

Hey, collins, this is coming from one hillbilly to another: git to makin' movies. There will be lots of camera time, and you might just deliver us from this nightmare you're spinning-out in Congress.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
10. "clock and a calendar know no masters"
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:03 PM
Dec 2019

pearls of wut? from collins, and he basically continues with,

Oh, the tyranny of the clock and a calendar, he goes on... Don't need to be a constitutional expert to understand that.

Up and down, Alice in wonderland ding dang darn, flail hands.

Says he'll make four points, but only brought up two. Brought up Yermak's recent connected to the media, and something else... (Don't think there were two more)

Concludes with clock and calendar bs.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
17. He really winds up, and just starts going and going...
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:55 PM
Dec 2019

Saying a lot of words and nothing useful at the same time. He’s insufferable.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
12. Raskin saying that their argument has been, basically,
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:08 PM
Dec 2019

You can't indict a sitting president, and you can only impeach a president if it he's criminally charged/indicted.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
14. Jerry Nadler will not appear before the committee today
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:43 PM
Dec 2019

Due to a family medical emergency - per McGovern’s opening remarks. Jamie Raskin, who is on both the Judiciary and Rules committees, and a constitutional law professor will appear in his stead.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
16. I had to turn it off. I can't listen to them anymore. IMO, Pelosi should put the brakes
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:51 PM
Dec 2019

on this now, order the committees to resubpoena everyone and everything they want, then ask the courts for expedited hearings. This is utter bullshit and it will continue to be utter bullshit unless the main players are forced to testify under oath and explain to the fools on the right exactly what happened. If this lasts through the election cycle that's just fine because it's only going to get worse for Republicans. Wipe the fucking smiles off their cult faces.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
18. Yeah, he's so tiresome. In a little bit I'm gonna shift to just listening
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 02:07 PM
Dec 2019

While I fashion protest signs and write up Christmas cards to send to my republicon Congressmen, who otherwise don’t give a flip about my zip code. Will have a ‘tis the season for impeachment and peace on Earth type of vibe. Will do my best to mind my language, but I might just have to randomly snark back in the margins to whatever collins, etc. is saying at that moment.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. The time belongs to him as a member.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:36 PM
Dec 2019

The "leeway" is free speech.

The histrionics are an act to divert from an ironclad case for guilt.

I've heard people who know him say Collins in the hearings doesn't look, sound, or talk like the person they know. From the little I've been able to stomach listening to, I believe he's doing a good, therefore incredibly scummy job of projecting outrage and giving our neighbors the verbal "balls" their job is to run down the field wherever they are.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
20. Whoops. Lol. Did collins admit that the court case against
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 02:26 PM
Dec 2019

McGahn is still ongoing and not proceeding fast enough to satisfy the inquiry?

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Does this mean collins came down to reality for a moment and admitted that delays/blocked testimony are stymying the impeachment inquiry? Seems this fits within his clocks and calendars rubric. So, do tell, collins, who is the tyrant with all the clocks and calendars and Mulvaneys, etc?

EndlessWire

(6,522 posts)
23. They got nuthin
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 02:53 PM
Dec 2019

The GOP's mission is to confuse the public. Many times it seems that they are making up an alternate universe.with "facts" that are completely contradicted by stuff we have seen with our own eyes. But they just continue on, reciting nonsense. These are our leaders?



Mersky

(4,980 posts)
25. Instead of dumbing it down, they dumb it up
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:26 PM
Dec 2019

Obfuscate, play dumb about the rules, drop details, makeup details, and lob constant logical fallacies while sounding irate, smug, and/or bizarrely confident.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
28. Mr Hastings speaking about being in "alternative universes"
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:35 PM
Dec 2019

"How dare somebody say that they'll pretend to be fair and then say they'll coordinate..."

He said that with booming effect and it was awesome.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,339 posts)
29. thanks for the play-by-play!
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:39 PM
Dec 2019

It's not carried by my local stations and my connection won't handle streaming today for some reason.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
31. You're welcome
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:46 PM
Dec 2019

I'm a little wonky and multitasking today, so my comments will be full of holes. But, of course, I've gotta be in here as best I can.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
32. Hastings asking his colleagues to show by a raise of hands
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:51 PM
Dec 2019

Who thinks it's okay for the president to ask a foreign country to interfere in our elections.

No hands were raised.

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Golly, Hastings is excellent!

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
33. Hastings asking urges the pResident to question why if
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:56 PM
Dec 2019

He's so concerned with corruption around the world, why does he cozy up to putin?

Then pivots to say that two counties in his state were attacked by Russian hackers.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
34. I could listen to Hastings all day.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:00 PM
Dec 2019

Makes so much sense against the fog of deceit put out by the republicons.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
35. Odd lines with Hastings wanting to see what's on the server
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:04 PM
Dec 2019

That being the Crowdstrike server.

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Is an interesting angle, and I'm curious about where that could go.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
36. Raskin answered back to Hastings that the Crowdstrike story
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:13 PM
Dec 2019

Is CT put out by Russia as Dr. Fiona Hill testified. He went on to say it was outrageous that tRump tied that Russian conspiracy propaganda to his efforts to leverage Zelensky.
And then further related how this creates risks to national security and pointed to multiple dictators around the world that could take advantage of a pResident willing to use such propaganda and take such actions.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
37. The mouth, collins, wanted to take the conversation in a different
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:18 PM
Dec 2019

Direction...I didn’t catch much of that, BUT!

Hastings did comment on collins’ rapid speaking!

Is good for them to remark on such, because of the obvious bamboozling quality of collins’ eh, ‘argumentation’.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
39. Republicon Somebody up, just flabbergasted they can't have every single member
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:25 PM
Dec 2019

Before them whenever they want in this hearing. This, as if the congressional record is not good enough.

Is why, imo, the republicans in the House should be asked to take an object permanence battery of tests.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
41. Somebody is engaging in their game of snare the members that won't
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:34 PM
Dec 2019

Appear today, Nadler and Schiff, with nonsense that can be resolved with a few more steps of thought.

Iow, sigh, their presence isn't needed to comprehend what's going on, but they'll waste time and air with this tactic across the day.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
42. collins is saying stuff to Somebody
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:40 PM
Dec 2019

And has sprinkled his fount of whatever through the past few exchanges, but I'm struggling to keep up with him (as is the closed captioning - full of non sequiturs, and something about a dog, ya know, words that were never uttered).

And no, I still haven't figured out who Somebody (R-xx) with a silver tie and readers for looking smart is.


Eta: Somebody is rob woodall (R-GA).

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
43. R-GA to R-GA talking clock and calendar
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:47 PM
Dec 2019

Apparently clocks and calendars are extremely dangerous. So, fyi, keep your eye on yours lest you think they're just hanging around and up to nothing.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
48. I'm not certain, but I don't think so
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:06 PM
Dec 2019

Not limited by individual. The rules are pretty open in this committee. I think a person on MSNBC said that filibustering is even allowed.

Please note: I could be incorrect.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
44. Norma Torres (D-CA) is up
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:51 PM
Dec 2019

Talking about the audacity of saying/believing the president could get away with shooting someone on Fifth Ave.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
45. Torres asserting that, No One is Above the Law
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 04:58 PM
Dec 2019

Smartly, earlier she mentioned that as members of Congress they've undergone ethics training.

And has further related the importance of the rule of law as she brings in her Central American heritage. And sites the corruption leading to the narco state of things in Honduras.

(In her remarks, I missed her relating the troubling nature of republican primaries being cancelled multiple states. Raskin brought this up just a minute a ago ~ 4:00 ET)

jayfish

(10,039 posts)
47. Strange.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:05 PM
Dec 2019

Trump never said "quid pro quo" during his perfect call so he wasn't asking for one? Yet, he never said "corruption" either but he actually was talking about corruption? Also, I'm starting to hear a lot of whining about how Democrats are calling Zelensky a liar and being such meanies to him. Then these whiners turn around and denigrate our historical allies and American citizens like Janet Yovanovitch and Adam Schiff.

These people...

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
50. Back in Session - burgess (R-Tx) up and going down a social media
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:16 PM
Dec 2019

Rabbit hole. Now talking about hammers looking for nails.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
51. Quiet rager burgess tossing his lamentations over to the loud one
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:25 PM
Dec 2019

collins. Pretending that the House hasn't done anything but the impeachment.

collins swerved away from that and over to 1000 points of dim light on why the Intelligence Committee was involved in the inquiry hearings. And absolutely has to cast aspersions about Schiff with some house rule 660.

Imagine his cracking, whining voice to conclude his reply.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
54. I have no idea what these two are talking about.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:37 PM
Dec 2019

It's all fairly extraneous stuff, and then...

burgess goes out on a limb saying that the meta data call records are a risk to natl security.

collins, eh, demures away from agreeing with burgess saying he's concerned about we're treating each other kind of call for fwairness.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
55. Democrat (I'll add his name :) has been up for a few mins
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:49 PM
Dec 2019

Entered a couple items into the record including the 700 historians that signed onto an OpEd regarding the impeachment.

Related the problem of Russian interference as being ongoing. Invoked Madison.

Now focusing on the inaudible parts of the transcript, but then emphasizes how damning the transcribed parts are when the pResident answers Zelensky's mention of javelins with the, I need a favor line.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
56. He's trying to define down the nature of the ellipsis section
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 05:54 PM
Dec 2019

Of the call. I think he's getting at whether collins believes that it's an inadvertent error (quotes back collins' previous language) or an intentional omission.

collins' evades answering and throws up his hands

Okay, so, on edit: the inadvertent error was in regards to the wrongful classifying of the transcript.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
58. While I was up and around
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 06:13 PM
Dec 2019

5:01 ET Raskin emphasizing Amb Taylor's words characterizing the Zelensky scheme via text

“I think it’s crazy to withhold aid for political assistance.”

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
60. I've gotta run along
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 06:32 PM
Dec 2019

Must finish preparations for this evening.

I am happy to pass the baton of translating republicon blathering relative to the Democrats seriousness over to any DUers that’ll take it.

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