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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:51 PM Dec 2019

Franklin Graham claims his father voted for Trump. How would he know who his dad voted for, at 99?

Did he fill out an absentee ballot for him?

And even if his father did vote for Trump, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been among the millions who have changed their mind about him.

https://www.facebook.com/FranklinGraham/posts/2925457574177071

My Response to Christianity Today:
Christianity Today released an editorial stating that President Trump should be removed from office—and they invoked my father’s name (I suppose to try to bring legitimacy to their statements), so I feel it is important for me to respond. Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed. I have not previously shared who my father voted for in the past election, but because of this article, I feel it is necessary to share it now. My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation.

For Christianity Today to side with the Democrat Party in a totally partisan attack on the President of the United States is unfathomable. Christianity Today failed to acknowledge that not one single Republican voted with the Democrats to impeach the President. I know a number of Republicans in Congress, and many of them are strong Christians. If the President were guilty of what the Democrats claimed, these Republicans would have joined with the Democrats to impeach him. But the Democrats were not even unanimous—two voted against impeachment and one voted present. This impeachment was politically motivated, 100% partisan. Why would Christianity Today choose to take the side of the Democrat left whose only goal is to discredit and smear the name of a sitting president? They want readers to believe the Democrat leadership rather than believe the President of the United States.

Look at all the President has accomplished in a very short time. The economy of our nation is the strongest it has been in 50 years, ISIS & the caliphate have been defeated, and the President has renegotiated trade deals to benefit all Americans. The list of accomplishments is long, but for me as a Christian, the fact that he is the most pro-life president in modern history is extremely important—and Christianity Today wants us to ignore that, to say it doesn’t count? The President has been a staunch defender of religious freedom at home and around the world—and Christianity Today wants us to ignore that? Also the President has appointed conservative judges in record number—and Christianity today wants us to ignore that? Christianity Today feels he should be removed from office because of false accusations that the President emphatically denies.

Christianity Today said it’s time to call a spade a spade. The spade is this—Christianity Today has been used by the left for their political agenda. It’s obvious that Christianity Today has moved to the left and is representing the elitist liberal wing of evangelicalism.
Is President Trump guilty of sin? Of course he is, as were all past presidents and as each one of us are, including myself. Therefore, let’s pray for the President as he continues to lead the affairs of our nation.

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Franklin Graham claims his father voted for Trump. How would he know who his dad voted for, at 99? (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2019 OP
His father might have told him. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #1
The most likely explanation to me is that Franklin filled out the ballot for his 99 year old father. pnwmom Dec 2019 #3
Certainly possible. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #11
Franklin Graham is a disgusting human being. He represents everything that is wrong with religion. walkingman Dec 2019 #2
"Democrat" Party. Fuck you, you pencildick asshole hypocrite. CurtEastPoint Dec 2019 #8
This Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #15
The comments... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #4
Billie Graham stands 100 feet tall compared to his worthless son. I suspect that Billie G. ... SWBTATTReg Dec 2019 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #6
Many Never-Trumpers, in the past, had always voted Republican. nt pnwmom Dec 2019 #7
Both are racists rockfordfile Dec 2019 #9
He may have voted for Trump, but LeftInTX Dec 2019 #10
Yes, and many of those who held their noses later have regretted it. The writer of this piece pnwmom Dec 2019 #12
Billy Graham on the Nixon Tapes: kskiska Dec 2019 #13
I feel certain he filled out a ballot for him. cwydro Dec 2019 #14

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
3. The most likely explanation to me is that Franklin filled out the ballot for his 99 year old father.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:56 PM
Dec 2019

Billy Graham never offered any public support of Trump. And Graham in his final years seemed to have changed directions.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/21/billy-graham-death-richard-nixon-217039

Late in life, Graham came to view his choices differently. In a 2011 interview with Christianity Today, he said, “I … would have steered clear of politics. I’m grateful for the opportunities God gave me to minister to people in high places; people in power have spiritual and personal needs like everyone else, and often they have no one to talk to. But looking back, I know I sometimes crossed the line, and I wouldn’t do that now.”

He also spoke in very different terms about international matters, strongly endorsing efforts toward disarmament, was open about the idea that Christianity might not be the only road to salvation, and distanced himself from the Moral Majority and other manifestations of the Religious Right.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
11. Certainly possible.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:10 PM
Dec 2019

I also think it's possible that Billy Graham would have supported Trump.

While he pretended to be apolitical, his relationship with conservative politicians went back decades. Franklin is a scumbag and pales in comparison to his father, but Billy wasn't exactly the saint that many have anointed him (I don't mean you; I mean in general).

Apparently, Trump and the elder Graham had some form of relationship prior to Trump becoming president, and Trump attended his 95th birthday party. Doesn't mean he voted for him, of course, but it's probably not as unlikely as it might seem.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/inside-donald-trumps-relationship-rev-billy-graham/story?id=53448191

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
15. This
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:32 PM
Dec 2019

And this is just one more craven attempt by Franklin to cash in on his father. Fuck that dude. His redemption story is a crock of shit...I truly believe that he realized that living off of daddy's legacy and taking that mantle would be more lucrative than living off of daddy's bank account. Seriously. Craven and sick

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
5. Billie Graham stands 100 feet tall compared to his worthless son. I suspect that Billie G. ...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:01 PM
Dec 2019

would never consort or deal w/ the likes of rump. Never. He would have called rump a disgusting human being. I recalled in my youth watching the Billy Graham revivals and such, and even supported them very briefly.

I would never, ever, support his scumbag son who sold his soul, his 'church', so-called ethics and more, to hang around with his pal rump.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

LeftInTX

(25,305 posts)
10. He may have voted for Trump, but
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:08 PM
Dec 2019

The editor of Christianity Today tweeted:

In 1998, the magazine printed an editorial stating:

"The President's failure to tell the truth — even when cornered — rips at the fabric of the nation. ... And while politicians are notorious for breaking campaign promises, while in office they have a fundamental obligation to uphold our trust in them and to live by the law."

In 1974, the magazine said of Nixon:

"There can be no doubt that a large percentage of those who voted for Richard Nixon in November, 1972, no longer have confidence in him, and that his capacity to execute the functions of his office has been considerably reduced. Whether guilty or innocent of impeachable offenses — 'treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors' — he bears the ultimate responsibility for what Watergate has come to stand for."

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/790130632/christianity-today-editor-discusses-calling-for-trumps-impeachment

Billy Graham probably held his nose and voted for Trump. Just my opinion.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
12. Yes, and many of those who held their noses later have regretted it. The writer of this piece
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:13 PM
Dec 2019

might have been among them.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
13. Billy Graham on the Nixon Tapes:
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:28 PM
Dec 2019

'They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,'' Graham had said to Nixon. The Jewish ''stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,'' he continued.Graham told Nixon that Jews did not know his true feelings about them.

''I go and I keep friends with Mr. Rosenthal (A.M. Rosenthal) at The New York Times and people of that sort, you know. And all -- I mean, not all the Jews, but a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances.''

When I broke the story in 2002, Graham said through a spokesman that he could not respond regarding the transcript because he didn't remember it. He would later issue a written apology and meet with Jewish leaders. But he forever maintained that he could not recall the conversation.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. I feel certain he filled out a ballot for him.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:30 PM
Dec 2019

Sickening.

What he did in denying his mother’s last wishes sickens me more.

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