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kentuck

(110,916 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 08:26 AM Dec 2019

America is baffled.

W.C. Fields is credited with once saying, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit."

America is up to its eyeballs in bullshit. Is there anyone that can shovel more bullshit than Rudy Giuliani? Donald Trump may be a close second?

Even the "religious" people are caught up in this shitstorm. The so-called "Evangelicals" sold their souls for a couple of shovelfuls of bullshit. They convinced themselves they were looking at the big picture - they were getting judges. They sold out.

The lies have become brazen. They whine and moan about how Nancy Pelosi is holding up the Articles of Impeachment from reaching the US Senate. They hesitate to mention that they received Articles of Impeachment on Bill Clinton on the 19th of December and did not address them until they returned from the holidays on January 6th of the following year.

So, they are lying. They are doing the backstroke in an ocean of bullshit.

Just my opinion.

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America is baffled. (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2019 OP
That's all they've got. Acres and acres of bullshit. spanone Dec 2019 #1
"Dim dare" is all dey got. kentuck Dec 2019 #4
hey kentuck! spanone Dec 2019 #5
I Think Rudy Is A Close Second To Trump....nt global1 Dec 2019 #2
I think your op is spot on and based on the facts. abqtommy Dec 2019 #3
i think they are surfung on a tsunami of bull shit rampartc Dec 2019 #6
Many a con has bet their 'career' on 'bullshit baffles brains' empedocles Dec 2019 #7
They are living in a world of lies NJCher Dec 2019 #8
It's not JUST YOUR opinion. I'm with you. usaf-vet Dec 2019 #9
10 lbs in a 5 lb bag. n/t theaocp Dec 2019 #10
More like 350 lbs. Scarsdale Dec 2019 #27
More like DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #32
You can grab me by the pussy if you promise to ban abortion! panfluteman Dec 2019 #11
GOP Talking Points are promulgated everywhere bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #12
And the ultimate justification I have heard them them use, "It's God's will" that Trump is President Pepsidog Dec 2019 #18
I wonder if they said something similar in Germany in 1933? kentuck Dec 2019 #20
If they were consistent then they would reason that Hitler and WWII were all part of God's plan. Pepsidog Dec 2019 #24
False narratives trump truth Martin Eden Dec 2019 #13
Best I've read marieo1 Dec 2019 #14
Baffled and Bamboozled. MineralMan Dec 2019 #15
That's where they live. world wide wally Dec 2019 #16
Baffled is exactly how the psychotic ultra-wealthy want us to be. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2019 #17
Sometimes the lies are so deceptive that the liar telling the lies is deceived by himself. kentuck Dec 2019 #19
Evangelical community has always been split between true believers and grifters Johonny Dec 2019 #21
AMEN BadGimp Dec 2019 #22
Point Marcuse Dec 2019 #23
K & R...for truth...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #25
All that is fact to me. ananda Dec 2019 #26
When you're moneyed up Baked Potato Dec 2019 #28
And I echo your opinion. I have come to believe that there are no more honorable Arkansas Granny Dec 2019 #29
I wonder who Giuly the Mouth is not in jail for espionage? rickyhall Dec 2019 #30
That was the favorite expression of my mentor during my fledgling engineering career. He loved it! George II Dec 2019 #31
Then we get to hold up their next Nazi for the Supreme Court. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #33
Everything they have is made up. Initech Dec 2019 #34
I sense change at my neighborhood maga bar and fake book... MartyTheGreek Dec 2019 #35
As usual, you pretty much nailed it. n/t slumcamper Dec 2019 #36
Nope, I don't believe it! CloudWatcher Dec 2019 #37

rampartc

(5,217 posts)
6. i think they are surfung on a tsunami of bull shit
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 08:37 AM
Dec 2019

the trumpistas do not really understand what trump is saying. they rely on q anon to translate.

NJCher

(35,342 posts)
8. They are living in a world of lies
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 08:48 AM
Dec 2019

And trying to get us to live in their lie, too.

Not gonna happen.

usaf-vet

(6,070 posts)
9. It's not JUST YOUR opinion. I'm with you.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 09:39 AM
Dec 2019

When the evangelicals start to demonstrate that they are following Jesus' doctrine as he taught it.

Not when some "would-be christian" takes the teaching and bends them for a political reason...then I will believe something has changed. Until then it all appears to me to be a tool of the RW republican agenda.

For example you celebrate his administration’s judicial appointments or its advocacy of life, family, and religious liberty.

Really tell that to the families that have been torn apart by his evil policies.
Or the folks who will face one of the RW judges he has appointed.

Nice try but I believe as a movement the evangelicals seems to be driven more by hate than compassion.

panfluteman

(2,049 posts)
11. You can grab me by the pussy if you promise to ban abortion!
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 09:55 AM
Dec 2019

This sums up the dilemma of the evangelical Christian single issue voter in the Age of Trump in a nutshell. All GOP politicians, no matter how immoral and corrupt, know they can get the evangelical vote if they promise to do all they can to ban abortion, which starts, I suppose, by appointing all the right judges to federal courts. You can violate all the Ten Commandments - every single one of them, and make a total mockery of supposed Christian family values, if you promise to do all you can to ban abortion. Trump has made that promise - even though he is really, in his heart of hearts, a liberal, pro-choice guy, and - who knows? could well have had at least one hush-hush abortion in his past - but he really NEEDS the evangelical vote to even get within stealing distance of the presidency - with Russian help, of course. Both have sold their souls and compromised on everything else to get what they want.

bucolic_frolic

(42,478 posts)
12. GOP Talking Points are promulgated everywhere
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:08 AM
Dec 2019

17 Angry Democrats have done this impeachment. They use all this airtight logic, and frame the argument with numbers (17), logic, history (Clinton impeachment). Here's an example used to defend a GOP Congressman's "Nay" vote on impeachment. Look at the comments: https://www.newhopefreepress.com/2019/12/17/congressman-fitzpatrick-says-he-will-not-vote-for-impeachment/

So yes, Americans are confused because they are fed lies. And you can't convince people unless you convince them everybody's lying, which also rubs off on Democrats and their program for America. So we have work to do.

Pepsidog

(6,252 posts)
18. And the ultimate justification I have heard them them use, "It's God's will" that Trump is President
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:09 AM
Dec 2019

I heard this from a very good Christian woman right after he was elected. I never quite understood how such a good, decent woman could support Trump. They profess to believe God made Trump President for a reason but don’t apply the same reasoning to issues they don’t like. Well if God made Trump president then God made people to be LGBT, made abortion doctors etc. If they are right that God made Trump for a reason, let’s hope that reason is to bury these far-right radicals forever. That after Trump there will be a progressive revolution that will fix the structural problems with America. That America will never again be held hostage by these Republican terrorists. If God’s hand is in this mess we are in then conservatism is finished forever and American will emerge a better nation. So let’s hope God made Trump President for a reason, to destroy the Republican Party.

Pepsidog

(6,252 posts)
24. If they were consistent then they would reason that Hitler and WWII were all part of God's plan.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:23 AM
Dec 2019

When it serves their purposes then it God‘s plan. A despicable perversion of religion to suit their own needs.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
14. Best I've read
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:47 AM
Dec 2019

Your opinion is just exactly like my opinion!!! Your message is the best I've read yet!! It tells it just like it is - it's all a bunch of BS. Thank you for the honest appraisal of our situation.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,480 posts)
17. Baffled is exactly how the psychotic ultra-wealthy want us to be.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:06 AM
Dec 2019

Far too many Americans are outsourcing their thinking to other people they don't even know and have not checked that invisible yapper's credentials......"others" meaning talk radio personalities, preachers, internet blog hosts, some smart-ass on Twitter or a charismatic dude at the local bar.

Everything is going per plan for the oligarchs and plutocrats and the methods are right out of a Soviet propagandist's playbook used for many decades - sew discord, confusion and fear until no one recognizes truth. That then puts them into position to declare what truth is.

KY...........

Johonny

(20,612 posts)
21. Evangelical community has always been split between true believers and grifters
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:12 AM
Dec 2019

It's just the pure grifters get most of the air time and press. Being Christian doesn't pay as well as being a con artist.

BadGimp

(4,008 posts)
22. AMEN
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:17 AM
Dec 2019

It's a chorus of Baffelers: The Whitehouse, The Senate, Congress, The DOJ, The Media and of course Twittler himself.

Arkansas Granny

(31,476 posts)
29. And I echo your opinion. I have come to believe that there are no more honorable
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 03:01 PM
Dec 2019

Republicans in Congress. They have thrown their lot in with Trump.

Initech

(99,881 posts)
34. Everything they have is made up.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:54 PM
Dec 2019

They run on lies and conspiracy theories that have been chopped up and pureed until the point where they are no longer recognizable. Bullshit is all they got, and it's what is selling with this administration.

MartyTheGreek

(561 posts)
35. I sense change at my neighborhood maga bar and fake book...
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 09:21 PM
Dec 2019

I'm talking within days. Background: When the NFL flag kneeling criticism set in called operation division, the maga owner canceled his NFL package and business tanked. Then EVERBODY goes to the bigger local Country Bar for 50 screen TVs and business, is business, in this military town doesn't matter your politics. Dumb move on cancelling the NFL package for the local maga bar.

Back to the local maga pub just yesterday. They know I'm lib in their minds but I give them the, "but I'm a Reagan Democrat" routine and they accept me and I tip the waitresses nicely but now I notice their talk about emperor Trump is quieter. The maga bar owner even gave me a like on a fake book cartoon about Trump. So I see this change happening. I have a close neighbor down the street, we go fishing together. He said his staunch maga brother in-law at Thanksgiving said bro in law said Trump ain't his president no more! I'm seeing less fake book rusky ads. We're in season for ads! This is good! However, don't gloat! Like Pelosi said don't do it. I say, it makes their feeling hurt if you laugh at them or scorn them now that he's impeached. I'm hearing the technical arguments already, saying that he's not really impeached, says a guy on the corner. Within the past few months, TVs now include MSNBC and CNN. They are talking about getting the NFL package back.

Things are changing. Don't gloat. Let them down softly, but politically punish those who shaped their thinking with fake book psycographics the lies and the whole bit. A new year approaches. I see light!

CloudWatcher

(1,829 posts)
37. Nope, I don't believe it!
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 12:08 AM
Dec 2019

My brother was a serious WC Fields fanatic(*), and a little of it rubbed off on me. And this quote does not sound like him. I'm going to need references to believe this is a real Fields quote.

A quick google turns up at least one source that agrees with me:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/if_you_can%27t_dazzle_them_with_brilliance,_baffle_them_with_bull

Etymology
Misattributed to W.C. Fields. Original source unknown.


[*] I'd ask my brother, but sadly he passed many years ago.
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