Had conversation with magat at dinner

[mylightningtoo]

Last night. Yes it got a tad bit heated. He told me there was not enough evidence to impeach. And that the Dems should have gone to court to enforce witness subpoenas, blah, blah, blah. Then I whipped out the ace: I said keep all the facts just as they are and substitute the name Obama for trump; would you and the republicans be for impeachment? 🦗🦗🦗. No answer, blank face, new topic.

[BuffaloJackalope]

1. If Obama had done the same shit as Trump has, Democrats would be chomping at the bit to impeach him.

[barbtries]

8. Isn't that interesting?

Democrats believe in accountability. When did that go away for republicans?

[localroger]

24. 1984

Really, Nixon was held accountable but when Ollie North and his goons were running around selling drugs to fund an illegal incursion, ... SNORE

[barbtries]

25. yeah.

reagan.

[Qutzupalotl]

26. & his 11th Commandment,

“Thou shalt not criticize another Republican.”

[Hermit-The-Prog]

32. a.k.a., Rotten Ronnie ...

Graphs showing just how rotten he was:
kpete's post -- Someday it will be crystal clear to all just what a terrible president Ronald Reagan was-

[Caliman73]

33. Sort of disagree on this one. I say 1968.

I totally agree that Reagan was the zenith, but I think that while Nixon did choose to resign with the tapes issue during Watergate, I think that he got away with a much bigger crime for how he got into office.

The Chennault Affair, and perhaps some of this is on LBJ for not telling, but I mean, with something this big other people had to know. It wasn't just Nixon in a room with Anna Chennault who pressured the Vietnamese to pull out of the peace talks to damage the Democratic Party's chances in 68. That extended the war another 5 years and caused many more American and Vietnamese lives.

Also, it wasn't just North and goons, it was Poindexter, Weinberger, GHW Bush, and Bill Barr. The Reagan campaign, like the Nixon campaign before them, conspired with a foreign power, this time Iran, to help win an election, by making a deal to sell arms. Even though Iran was under an embargo and considered a state sponsor of terror. They then took the money from the arms sales and funneled it, also illegal via the Boland Amendment, to fund right wing death squads in Nicaragua.

[localroger]

34. I can agree with this

Not a single point so much as a phenomenon that has been accelerating since the 1960's.

[Caliman73]

37. Agreed. Well said.

[lunatica]

35. Thanks for this

You turn over the GOP rock and the bugs abound. Dig a little and you realize it all goes way back!

[bobbieinok]

44. Bush family work with Nazis--Ford making German panzers, IBM helping track Jews

[Leith]

18. Hubby said the same to me

I answered, "hell, if Obama had done just one of the things chumpy did, they would have impeached him."

Hubby agreed.

[lostnfound]

49. Evidentially, Democrats love their country more than Republicans do.

Willful blindness to the danger it is in?

[dawg day]

53. I always have to remind us...

Obama NEVER would have done this crap. The thought experiment is useful, but so is a reminder that real presidents do recognize some restraint.

[Squinch]

2. My relative magat told me there was a new law from the Democrats that required that

college tuition should be free for immigrants.

Couldn't convince her this was not fact.

They're nuts.

[RandiFan1290]

4. I've never met a republicon that wasn't a racist. nt

[paleotn]

15. Now, now, now...lets not go there.

Not all Republicans are racist. But...every fucking racist in America IS a Republican.

[John Fante]

29. Purely anecdotal, but I have to meet a conservative Republican

that didn't have a little bit of deplorable in them. Most had a lot in them.

[Flaleftist]

6. It's that kind of shit that makes it impossible to discuss politics with Trumpers.

[barbtries]

10. my sister's bogeyman is immigrants.

we agreed not to talk about politics and at breakfast she says, "So I hear that Germany is going broke because of immigration."

hear where?? Where?

it's beyond ridiculous the shit they believe. i think fox and hate radio have fried their brains.

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Heard it from faux snooze no doubt and repeated by her Dear Leader.

[NBachers]

39. Just give her a hearty laugh, put your hand on her shoulder, and say "That's alright- you have my

permission to believe anything you want to believe."

And leave it at that.

[TheBlackAdder]

11. Well, just say provie it. Since it's a law it should be easy for you to call it up.

.

Then, when he pulls the you look it up card, just say, well, why would you trust my research since you don't believe me.

.

[Midnight Writer]

13. Met up with an old college buddy who told me Obama made it illegal to display Christian symbols.

I'm like "Look around you. Look out the window. See all the Christmas decorations? There is no such law".

"No," he replied. "It was an Executive Order, and Trump is refusing to enforce it."

They're nuts.

[CanonRay]

14. Look at the answers in this post

Somebody should make a list of all the crazy shit that we've all heard from MAGATs.

[Ohioboy]

20. My poor mother who watches FOX spews

noticed all the cars in the parking lots of churches last night while we were on our way to our own church's Christmas eve service. Instead of realizing that church parking have always filled up on Christmas eve, she literally thanked Trump for making it possible to openly celebrate Christmas again. I didn't say anything to spoil Christmas eve for the family, but it really sickens me that she has been so brain washed.

[renate]

23. Do Trump people literally not have memories?

What did she think was happening in churches at Christmastime four years ago? Tumbleweeds rolling by and bats nesting in the ceiling?

I’m really sorry. It must break your heart to see what this weird cult has done to your mother.

[Richard58]

45. I had something similar happen.

I got into an argument with a wingnut online who insisted that Obama signed an Executive Order that said Chaplains in the military were forbidden to say the name Jesus or display a cross in the sanctuary. Even during a church service! Muslim Chaplains however were allowed to say Allah and display the Muslin crescent. But Trump vacated that order.
I told him that was ludicrous and Obama couldn't have done it even if he wanted to. I then went on to explain the First Amendment to him about freedom of religion and freedom of speech but he still insisted that Obama did it. I then told him to show me some proof of this Executive Order but of course he couldn't come up with anything. He just "heard it from someone." I swear these MAGA types will believe anything! What a bunch of morons!

[Qutzupalotl]

27. A new law...that Trump signed?

They understand Democrats can’t just make laws on their own, right? Controlling only one chamber?

[Squinch]

50. You assume logic. Big mistake.

[MyOwnPeace]

3. AND, one can always ask..........

"What is he hiding? Why not allow ALL of those subpoenaed to testify and "clear" the charges?"

[UniteFightBack]

5. The evidence came right out of dumps anus mouth. But Russiapublicans are good at playing dumb

but then again most of them ain't playin.

[mazzarro]

30. "Russiapublican"

I love that! Can I borrow and use that to refer to ReThuglicans henceforth?

[UniteFightBack]

42. Feel free to spread it around. nt

[calimary]

47. YES. Absolutely spread this around.

We badly need to get better at strategic messaging. And weaponized messaging.

No wonder they’re the RED team, ‘eh?

[Scarsdale]

7. The so-called transcript of the call

was not released. What was released was Barr and tRump's version of the call. This amounts to selective transcript. Much like the Mueller report was not fully released, only very redacted sections of it were released. Why are citizens being lied to and kept in the dark about what this crew of Russian agents is really up to? There is not a single honorable member in the gop, one who truly believes that a president should be above reproach. They are all in lock step behind the worst person EVER to be installed in the WH. He is not, nor ever will be qualified. Not enough on the job training to make this dumb person presidential. Now he is wallowing down in his golden whorehouse in Florida, with lots of Russian mafia types. Those are his kind of people.

[barbtries]

12. in spite of that

what they released is damning evidence of what trump was up to.

[90-percent]

21. they got away with planting misinformation withh this "transcript"

of his perfect conversation. To most of us, a transcript is an exact copy of what was said. Like what a stenographer would produce from a recording. This is a SUMMARY, not a transcript! Who the hell knows the exact content after being edited and censored by Barr and his other twisted pricks?

Americans have A RIGHT to listen to the original recording. This transcript is very well executed MISINFORMATION!

-90% Jimmy

[usaf-vet]

9. You enjoy taking to dumb brick walls?

[samnsara]

16. ..or Hillary.. that always gets their shorts inna bunch!

[paleotn]

17. Glad you did.

I suppose some of us do need to communicate with them from time to time. Personally, I'm over the aggravation.

[onetexan]

19. Good going! Told my sibling to watch less Faux News

She said she doesnt have time to watch news anymore. Thank goodness.

[SWBTATTReg]

28. Just points out that they'll continue to lose in the Courts against unjustified or stupid lawsuits,

and other ignorant acts. You can't fix stupid but you can reassert sanity.

Too bad you had to sit down with the maga, I would have gotten up and left. There's no meal worth it for me to have to sit there and listen to such nonsense.

[lambchopp59]

31. Recently, I woke up a Trumper that due to the busy holiday season

Who had missed the report of the horrific murder by the Iowa woman who ran over a teenage girl because "she was a mexican".
That was it, somehow. 5 innocent children dying in Trump's detention camps didn't soak the thick skull before. The murder of Heather at the Charlottesville hate rally didn't phase her.
Somehow, this got through, and I believe it was partially because she noticed I brought up the article on a Fox Noise website.
She's been walking around glazed and seriously re-evaluating her stance ever since. She actually said "What if that had been (by name, my child)"

[JudyM]

36. Seated next to a couple on a plane...

During an ongoing warm, friendly exchange I mentioned something like we could all use some peace the way thing are going in the world. He leaned forward and animatedly agreed, following it with, “They impeached our president!”

[MFM008]

38. Argued

With my sister about how wonderful she thinks
Maggot is.

[Demovictory9]

41. "that does not compute"... smoke comes out of ears

red lights start flashing... like on old star trek when Kirk does verbal battle with computer.

[Beartracks]

43. Did you point out Trump has *already* been impeached?

I got the impression your magat acquaintance may be harboring the notion that if the Senate does not actually remove Trump then that nullifies the impeachment rendered by the House. It does not. Trump is an impeached President, no matter what the Senate does now. I bet magats (and all Republicans) are quite definite in their feelings about Bill Clinton's having been impeached in the 90's, and yet he was not also removed by the Senate. Senate acquittal doesn't change the "impeached" status, no matter the political party. Sorry, magats - Trump is already impeached.

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[UCmeNdc]

46. Interesting!

So there was a no reply.

[wnylib]

48. I have a relative who has always been pretty far

right so I stopped talking politics with him several years ago. These days, the only communication we have is 3 times a year, through greeting cards at Christmas and his b-day and mine. He used to have me on an e-mail list to receive RW talking points but I only responded once, to gently question something. The messages stopped coming. Since we live several hundred miles apart and I refuse to talk politics, he does not know that I volunteered locally on both of Obama's campaigns. I even visited him once during that time but never brought it up. He refers to his wife, children, and grandchilfren as his Klan.

A cousin I used to be close with in childhood has become far right, but his father is a staunch Dem. I kept in touch with the cousin and avoided politics until the time we were both visiting his father, who insisted on arguing politics. I agreed with my uncle a couole times while there. The next time I spoke to the cousin by phone, he cut the conversation short. Hasn't contacted me since and does not respond if I contact him.

I remember teachers telling us how the Civil War divided families as well as the states. Now we get to see that for ourselves.

'

[mdbl]

51. I stopped dining with right wing family members since Bush/Cheney

Holidays have been great ever since.

[Joe941]

52. Well done.