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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMelania Trump seems like a nice person.
But she really cannot be if she continues to be married to this horrid person.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Can you think of one positive quality he has that might have attracted her to him?
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)was never a factor. Yeah, right.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And an anchor baby, and chain migrating parents.
But she is white, so the Trump voters approve of her.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Ohiogal
(31,998 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that explains how she always looks so angry.
Ohiogal
(31,998 posts)They always look like they are pissed off and disdainful of everyone else around them. There is no empathy, no happiness, no curiosity there. Just a couple of stone cold hearts. If youve ever seen photos of the two of them early in their marriage, he poses with her like shes a prize that he won. We were so spoiled with the Obamas, who were openly affectionate with each other, and loved meeting with people from all walks of life.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They deserve each other. They are both horrible people. He is much worse than she is, but she sticks with him so in a way she is just as morally bankrupt.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)One became a US citizen, and hoped for financial security.
The other needed a new "wife doll" to satisfy his need.
ooky
(8,922 posts)brush
(53,778 posts)mcar
(42,329 posts)soft-core porn model gets an "Einstein" visa to stay here, marry Dotard and have her anchor baby.
Then goes on national TV to push her husband's idiotic and racist birther conspiracy.
Did she speak up when he defamed Gold Star parents? A child with Asperger's? Etc. Etc.
She is not a nice person.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)onecaliberal
(32,858 posts)🤷?♀️
Kath2
(3,074 posts)LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)She wore an I don't Care jacket on her way to view the caged babies for gawd's sake.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,591 posts)RockRaven
(14,966 posts)Never mind this "continues to be married" business. It is not like he changed character.
Trump is the same asshole he's been his entire -- well-documented b/c of his own efforts to get media attention -- adult life. She knew that when she married him.
Hekate
(90,683 posts)...visiting imprisoned kids while wearing a jacket that said, "I really don't care. Do U?"
No prenup is worth this kind of degradation.
Mazeltov Cocktail
(569 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Melania Trump Supported Her Husband's Racist Birtherism Claims on TV
People need to stop talking about "freeing Melania."
Teen Vogue by Lily Herman
JANUARY 23, 2017
<snip>
On April 20, 2011, Melania appeared on the Joy Behar Show and backed up her husband's allegations that Obama wasn't born in the state of Hawaii like live birth records suggest.
"Its not only Donald who wants to see [Obama's birth certificate], its American people who voted for him and who didnt vote for him. They want to see that," she argued. Behar then made the point that the birth certificate had already been on display and all over the internet. "We feel its different than birth certificate," Melania responded.
<snip>
Kath2
(3,074 posts)Like the Trumps chandelier over their toilet.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,993 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)My, my.
madaboutharry
(40,211 posts)She is a liar. She lies about how many languages she speaks, lied that she had a degree in Architecture from University in Slovenia, went on television and in an interview with Joy Behar insisted that Barack Obamas birth certificate was fake, has not spoken out once to defend the victims of her husbands constant bullying and draconian policies, and continues to defend and enable her criminal husband.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)Literally and figuratively.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,735 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)I really dislike her.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,735 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)They all suck in every way.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)is the day her and Donnie are kicked out of the White House. That will be real nice.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)She always looks fucking miserable. She should just fuck him over publicly.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)unfortunately she signed a pre-nup.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)WH employees, her "NDA" is enforceable.
she does not seem nice, she really does not seem ANYTHING except plastic
Kath2
(3,074 posts)Perfect for the trump world.
Response to Skittles (Reply #32)
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)At least four times, but Ive stopped counting.
Curious.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)I feel the same way about George Conway
on edit, OK, I think you are referring to the b word, which I too dislike
Goodheart
(5,324 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)I know in her heart she has to be a nasty bitch.
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)Who supports the caging of babies as long as they are Not her babies.
Who pretends to speak 6 languages and only speaks one....think be best. And is constantly stealing from Michelle's accomplishments.
Who is a fake who gets plastic surgery to suit her disgusting pedophile incessetually inclined sex partner.
Who got an Einstein visa for taking off her clothes. Who hides her child from publicity to appear more sexually available.
How can you possibly think she seems like a nice person?
Kath2
(3,074 posts)She comes off to the public as a "nice person." I know she is a cruel bitch.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Regardless of how odious any particular person might be, one would not use, for example, a racial epithet to characterize that person. There are those who suggest that epithets which only apply to one sex should not be used, for similar reasons.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)PatSeg
(47,430 posts)It may not be politically correct, but there are times when no other word works as well in my view. I've never used it at Democratic Underground, however.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)That is incredibly offensive.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)I guess that's how some people get their kicks.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Or maybe not.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)"I really don't care."
cwydro
(51,308 posts)First I counted two times, but then saw the third.
Perhaps more. Speaks volumes.
Big Blue Marble
(5,080 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)She has the honor of being the First Lady and she acts as if it is a huge inconvenience to her. Then she whines about being mistreated.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Doesn't sound like a nice person to
gibraltar72
(7,504 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,802 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Fuck her.
RandySF
(58,814 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)She's as deplorable as he is.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Im puzzled as to what your point was in starting it. You start by saying she seems nice to you then you agree with what every DUer says about her. How strange.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Three times so far. Fascinating.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Although I'm not sure the poster can reply in this thread anymore.
marlakay
(11,465 posts)Call girl. Nothing about her seems normal to me except her love for her son and since we rarely see him pictured with his dad I think she might actually protect him from him. Not sure if true but I think I read he lives with her parents.
tblue37
(65,342 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,955 posts)... I never thought of her as a particularly nice person. I can't think of a single time or story where I thought she was nice.
CozyMystery
(652 posts)She has been married to a malignant narcissist for a long time. She does what he tells her to do.
She may not even realize how much he has destroyed her soul. If she does realize that, then there must be a lot of things he is holding over her to keep her in line. At that point, her decisions boil down to what is best for someone else in the long run (due to the narcissist's power over those people's lives) -- probably her child and her parents -- and it no longer matters what is best for her.
No, I don't like her, based on what I see. But I do think there is something dreadfully wrong in her relationship with tRump. Maybe she knowingly sold her soul to the devil. Or maybe it was too late by the time she realized it.
That speech she gave where she plagiarized Michelle Obama was like a red flag to me. I doubt she wrote the speech or that she knew parts of it had been plagiarized. She trusted whoever was behind that ploy, and they were intending to humiliate her.
That's what I think because a narcissist did that to me one, back when I trusted him. That event had nothing to do with plagiarism, but it reeks of the same tactics I think may have been used on Melania.
I would hate to be Melania. It must be like living in a family of pit vipers. I really don't think any of us know enough about her to determine whether she, too, is a pit viper. Maybe I identify too closely with being married to a narcissist. That certainly means my opinion is biased.
Most of all, I think we have no idea of what Melania's motives are in anything she has done. We can make stuff up in our heads about her, but that does not mean what we surmise or opine is the truth.
Take that cheap coat she wore (i don't care, do you?). Do you really think she hunted for a cheap coat to buy that said those words? That is ludicrous to me. She was presented with the coat and told to wear it. We don't know whether she wanted to wear it or hated it. We won't know, either, because (IMO) Melania has been set up to be another tRump brand.
One thing I taught my kids, learned from my experiences, is to beware of people who make stuff up in their heads about anyone, and to be vigilant that they are not doing it themselves. People should consult the person they are attacking or (rarely) supporting, to make sure it is true. The target person is the only person who knows why s/he does things. And there doesn't have to be just one reason or motive for doing something -- sometimes there are several reasons.
I have known people who have done that to me. Said to me that my motive for doing something unselfish for the other person was just to get something for myself. And then not believing me when I stated otherwise, even when they benefited greatly from my actions. The good that came out of it for me was ancillary and not sought out by me. A happenstance. It was never the motive. Trouble is, when one makes stuff up in their heads about someone else, they cannot be budged when their target disputes it.
People who are famous, since I have never met any of them, are just brands. Much of the public information about them is either supportive of their brands, or not. It has nothing to do with the person they are in private. We can look at their behavior, past and present ... at their actions, to determine whether we believe what we see and hear. But always, we must realize in some small corner of our minds, that even the best among us may be performing the behaviors, the actions, in support of their brand.
I could think someone is a Very Good Person, then get to know them personally, and they get mad and throw a stapler at me. That one action would make me change my mind about their VGP designation.
All people are human, all make mistakes, have misguided motives, do bad things, think bad things, say bad things. It does not make sense to villify or celebrate someone completely, unless you really, truly know them in real life. Or unless they have done something so terribly evil that all bets are off because we know it when we see it. Same thing happens the other way - they can do something so wonderful that we don't care about their human failings.
I think Melania is not important in the grand scheme of politics in our country. What she wears, what she says, how she appears to be is of zero consequence. Those who adore her are tRumpers. I spent time on FR reading their comments about Michelle Obama, who appears to be a Very Good Person (I do not know her personally), and I was sickened by them all. I don't think that we should waste our time being like FReepers.
I said before that I don't like Melania -- her actions, her words, her sense of fashion are all included in that. If I had complete information about the situation she is in, my opinion might change in either direction. Meanwhile, I stand by my words -- she is not important.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Very insightful.
I, too, was married to a narcissist. I am so thankful that I got out, even if it took me over two decades. At first he treated me like I was a treasure, BUT I realized that he sometimes wasn't treating others well. I thought I could soften him. I thought I could bring out this nice person that I thought must dwell within him. I ultimately realized that he was exactly who appeared to me to be all the way through, from the outside to his core.
I have theories about what made him that way. Some horrible things happened in his childhood. I feel sorry for him for what he went through, but the best thing for me, and the rest of my family, was when I finally realized that I had to be done with him. There is no "fixing" a narcissist.
I agree about Melania. I, personally, am practically nauseated at the mere site of her, but she is not important. She is nothing.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)For the first part of my marriage to the narc, the real "Rorey" sort of got shoved down. A very significant series of events in a short period of time woke me up. It took an embarrassingly long period of time to fully wake up and get out. I can't even express how joyous I am that I get to finally be "me" again.
As far as Melania goes, I've seen no evidence that she was ever a "nice" person. She isn't making a big impact on the world. When -45 is out, she'll likely fade into obscurity.
CozyMystery
(652 posts)I have been married for 30 years, and I realized in the last year or so that the real "Cozy Mystery" is in me somewhere, but hard to find.
If it weren't for my kids (all adults) telling me about narcissism, and me then reading a ton of books about it, I would have not realized the situation I was in. For the first 17 years I thought something was wrong, but couldn't figure out what it was. I just knew that my husband was totally different, both from every other person I knew, and from the man I thought he was when I married him.
After that, I thought he had Asperger's. About 5 years ago my kids started telling me he was an abusive narcissist. I defended him, to their chagrin, but they didn't stop trying to get me to see the light.
I spent 6 months away from home because I was taking care of my mother during her final illness, and stuck around after she died so the house wouldn't be left empty while my sister got it ready for sale.
That 6 months was a difficult and very sad time for me, but I had this inexplicable lightness of being that disappeared within a day of my returning home.
I am moving, hopefully within the next 6 months. I am getting my ducks in a row. I told my husband, and he said that he hoped I knew that by doing this, I would destroy his life. I told him it has come to whether I destroy my life by staying, or leave. And I choose myself.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Your story sort of sounds similar to mine, in that it took being out of the situation to really see what the situation was. We were together for 25 years, married for 20. I was gone for most of nine months taking care of my dying parents. It took being out of my husband's narcissistic grasp to see what was going on. It took me another 13 years to realize that I had to get out, and it took me finding out that he had been cheating to give me the final push.
The experts say that we shouldn't try to diagnose someone as a narcissist, but there's no denying that my ex-husband is one. I was his supply, and when he realized that he was losing his grip on my he started badmouthing me to our friends and even to my own brother. My kids (they're not his) couldn't be swayed, and they've been my strength and my allies through all of the drama of the last 18 months. My ex-husband started grooming his next supply, a classmate from his high school whose husband had died. She was vulnerable....a perfect target for him.
I could go on for days. I'm just so thankful I'm out. There will be a few more interactions because he hasn't yet fulfilled all of the terms of the divorce. I'm probably going to have to take him to court for contempt to get him to fulfill one big obligation. He'll think I'm being vindictive, but I just want to be completely done with him.
Be strong, CozyMystery. It's not easy. I know in my head how important it is to go "no contact", but it's not easy. You've got a lot of history together, and it's hard to let it go. What was hardest for me was accepting that our future plans were never going to happen.
To help me get through and stay strong, I journaled. A lot. I also watched a ton of youtube videos about narcissism. One of my favorite channels was that of Dr. Ramani Durvasula. I learned who was going to be there for me, and I learned with whom I needed to eliminate contact.
I still have days when I obsess a bit, but for the most part I'm great. It took a long time, but I'm out. I get to be free and I get to be "me".
lanlady
(7,134 posts)I've seen not a scintilla of proof otherwise. What kind of a "nice" person would wear that "I Really Don't care, Do You?" jacket to visit children who'd been taken from their parents and locked in a cage?
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)Triumph the insult comic. Nice for me to poop on!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and a fraud herself
spanone
(135,831 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,426 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)...she is trash as far as I am concerned. And...I don't base this on the fact that she was an escort and a nude model.
She is trash for many reasons, but one of the ones that is at the top of my list is the "I don't care" jacket she wore to when she went to see the children her POS spouse put in cages. Fuck her.
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)Regardless what spin they tried to put on it, that showed me how she really feels.
She seems like a total fraud to me. She's been married to this horrid person for 14-15 years now. She knows who he is and she continues the marriage by her own choice.
Freethinker65
(10,021 posts)I have yet to see any passion or emotion from her.
She has every right to choose a private life, but when she comments, or her handlers compose scripted comments for her Tweets or to phonetically recite at an event, she often deserves to be scrutinized and sometimes ridiculed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,341 posts)pwb
(11,265 posts)Her husband fucked a porn star and she is still around. That says a lot about the third lady.
She is a Red Sparrow. She is his handler. Who translates when dump has his midnight phone calls with Vlad?
lark
(23,099 posts)There's coldness, disdain, disrespect, greed, grifting, lying, serial plagiarizing Michelle, and selling her soul & other parts for money. She is in a hell of her own choosing and is the worst FLOTUS - EVER!! They deserve each other because she doesn't leave, despite all his infidelities and subtle hates and show of disrespect, she doesn't care as long as she's getting the $$. I have nothing but contempt for this illegal immigrant porno worker.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)He got his arm candy (though, personally, I don't think she's attractive at all), and she got $$$.
Paladin
(28,257 posts)Freedomofspeech
(4,224 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Fascinating.
Freedomofspeech
(4,224 posts)Piece of crap husband.🤮
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Freedomofspeech
(4,224 posts)magicarpet
(14,150 posts).... that has been left in a deep freeze freezer for about a week.
tenderfoot
(8,431 posts)winetourdriver01
(1,154 posts)I wonder sometimes if, when it's all said and done, her story might not be the most interesting. Shitler is just a low I Q mafia thug, but she is much harder to "read".
rampartc
(5,407 posts)thing to crawl into her bed.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)What has she done that makes you think she's a nice person? I haven't seen any redeeming qualities come from her. Doesn't make her a bad person necessarily but certainly doesn't qualify her to be a nice person.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Based on what I've observed, she has the same putrid attitudes towards other people that Trump has. And her "Be Best" anti-bullying campaign is a total sham until or unless she gets her hubby to......um....stop bullying people. And she's hypocritical as hell for getting all outraged and mighty when somebody "uses her child's name in vain", but not when her hubby goes after a young climate activist. I don't really care, do U?
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I remember Ivanka and Jared's are Hollywood types, perhaps Melania's are as well?
sdfernando
(4,935 posts)Bwahhhaaahhhaaaahhhhaaaa! roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll: roll:
secondwind
(16,903 posts)I hope she can escape this horror soon. She had 50 million of her own money. There is no reason to stay in this marriage. You only go around once.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I think the world would be better off without her, just like dotard. She really doesn't care, and does as little as possible as first floozy.