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Tue Dec 31, 2019, 10:31 AM

Impeachment "Good" for Trump?

I was scrolling through my Twitter Feed early this morning and saw an article published by The Hill where Tulsi Gabbard (the one the same) offered up her view that Impeachment would help re-elect Trump 2020. I won't get too much into my rage-filled feelings about Tulsi Gabbard (which side is she on?), but her opinion is one that seems to be banging around social media and op-ed pieces like a ball being knocked around inside a Pinball Table- that impeaching Trump is going to "help" Trump in 2020 and that Democrats are basically stupid for going after him for his obvious misconduct (re: Ukraine)

My question, are you f**king serious? In what reality will impeaching Trump *help* him, seriously? His MAGAT base will, as with all things, stand solidly behind him and rage at Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff, et. al right along with him, of course, but then I'm reading polling where REMOVING Trump from office actually has pretty solid public support. So, what's the deal here? How does impeaching Trump actually help him? Is there actual historical context for this assertion or is it just a whole lot of wishful thinking. I'm aware that there was never much public support for impeaching Bill Clinton in 1998-1999 and his popularity seemed to increase as a result- but his successor, Al Gore, *lost* in 2000- and George W. Bush was able to more or less successfully run on a platform of "restoring dignity to the White House" (LOL). Nixon wasn't impeached but he probably would have had he not resigned in disgrace and Republicans lost in 1976. I don't know much about Johnson's impeachment to comment on his situation at the moment. But, I still want to know why, exactly, some people think that it's going to help him, especially with how he is reacting to it and how the Republicans in Senate are planning their show trial to "exonerate" him?

Is anybody here able to see how Trump comes out of an Impeachment Trial- even if acquitted- with a strong(er) chance for re-election in 2020? I've heard that it will help "energize" his base, but won't it energize our base, who have been clamoring for it for even longer, as well?

Interested in everybody's thoughts here.

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Reply Impeachment "Good" for Trump? (Original post)
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 OP
Joe941 Dec 2019 #1
kentuck Dec 2019 #2
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #3
Bucky Dec 2019 #10
SCantiGOP Dec 2019 #4
guillaumeb Dec 2019 #5
gratuitous Dec 2019 #6
guillaumeb Dec 2019 #8
Lexee Dec 2019 #7
Bucky Dec 2019 #9
Takket Dec 2019 #11
RobinA Dec 2019 #12
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #13

Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 10:33 AM

1. It's just a meme the press like to use to stir up ratings. Ignore it.

 

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 10:35 AM

2. She is so gullible.

Does she know how she is being used?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 10:49 AM

3. Doesn't seem like

She seems to be confused about which team she is on.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:20 PM

10. Team Gabbard

She likes the autocrats--Asaad, Modi, etc. She can still be a real Democrat and a power worshipper. Even a bit of an Islamaphobic bigot.

It's a shame. She could've had a serious future in the party. Her soft ties to would-be despots can't be tolerated

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:06 AM

4. Pour us a couple of shots of vodka

and we'll discuss which side she is on

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:08 PM

5. If this media meme were correct,

Trump would not be compulsively tweeting about the issue.

When 70% of the public wants a trial, and 55% feel Trump violated the law, there is only one reason that McConnell is terrified of a real trial.

And it is not because a trial would help Trump.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:10 PM

6. Yep

If this was such good news for Trump, he'd be serene about the whole process. Do Trump's tweets sound serene?

This is getting into the ridiculous territory of "This is good news for John McCain," regardless of what his feckless 2008 campaign did.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:13 PM

8. And this is a media promoted, perhaps contrived controversy.

All about the race, and attracting revenue,

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:13 PM

7. That is why it took Pelosi so long to get to this point. It was almost a given this reaction would

 

happen. Democrats were hoping with such an strong obvious crime that would pull them thru but there was always this very real issue that it would backfire on the Democrats. So all the demand for the last couple years to start impeachment as if that would solve our problems were much more complicated than a lot of people wanted to realize.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:13 PM

9. Impeachment creates clarity. It exposes truths.

If impeachment helps Trump politically, then this country is damned by its own voters, anyway

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:45 PM

11. nah. that ship has sailed

55% want him removed from office. the only question for the GOP isn't how they "win" the narrative, but how do they limit the damage at this point.

Pelosi has stymied every effort they've made to get the upper hand.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:46 PM

12. I Don't Think

it's a "media meme." I've always worried that it would help him and that's why I was and am not pro-impeachment. Just because it makes him nervous doesn't mean it won't be good for him. I don't think it will change one mind and I do think it will help his turnout. He was just trying to root out corruption in the Ukraine, doncha know?

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Response to RobinA (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:59 PM

13. So, how do you address Presidential misconduct?

To be sure, there's bound to be some "rally" around the leader by those of the same party, but should that be a legitimate reason to just not do anything about Presidential misconduct?

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