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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:38 PM Dec 2019

Detention of Chelsea Manning 'Open-Ended, Progressively Severe Measure Amounting to Torture

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/31/un-expert-calls-detention-chelsea-manning-open-ended-progressively-severe-coercive?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook

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Tuesday, December 31, 2019
byCommon Dreams

UN Expert Calls Detention of Chelsea Manning 'Open-Ended, Progressively Severe, Coercive Measure Amounting to Torture'

In a letter to the U.S. government, the special rapporteur on torture called for the immediate release of the whistleblower.

byJessica Corbett, staff writer

United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Nils Melzer shared on social media Tuesday a letter he sent to the United States government last month expressing concerns that the continued detention of whistleblower Chelsea Manning amounts to torture.

The Geneva-based expert tweeted in the early hours of Tuesday:

https://t.co/uhqKoFSQSq

Manning, a former U.S. Army soldier, was initially detained in 2010, then convicted under the Espionage Act in 2013, for sending hundreds of thousands of U.S. government and military documents and classified materials to WikiLeaks. In January 2017, outgoing President Barack Obama commuted much of her 35-year sentence, and she was released in May of that year.

Since March 8, 2019—with the exception of a one-week period in May—Manning has been held in contempt of court at the William G. Truesdale Adult Detention Center in Alexandria, Virginia. Manning has been imprisoned—sometimes in solitary confinement—for her refusal to testify to a grand jury about WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, who is being held in a London prison as the U.S. government seeks his extradition.

Melzer, who also has publicly condemned the U.S. prosecution of Assange and the conditions of his detention, wrote in the letter (pdf) dated Nov. 1, 2019 that "I express serious concern at the reported use of coercive measures against Ms. Manning, particularly given the history of her previous conviction and ill-treatment in detention."

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Detention of Chelsea Manning 'Open-Ended, Progressively Severe Measure Amounting to Torture (Original Post) G_j Dec 2019 OP
I can't gin up too much sympathy for Manning in this case. comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #1
I dunno...when a UN expert calls it torture it may be too much. ret5hd Dec 2019 #3
The US prison system certainly is harsh and needs reform. comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #4
And also not OK with UN experts definition of torture? ret5hd Dec 2019 #9
This person has no familiarity with Manning's conditions of incarceration jberryhill Dec 2019 #18
People need to make up their minds whether they want the rule of law or not jberryhill Dec 2019 #2
Well said. comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #5
The court ordered her to comply, she refused. That's contempt of court. Quackers Dec 2019 #15
Solitary confinment is torture. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #6
It can be torture... Abnredleg Dec 2019 #7
if the duration is more than a few weeks G_j Dec 2019 #10
She controls her fate Abnredleg Dec 2019 #11
"sometimes in solitary confinement" jberryhill Dec 2019 #14
Read the slanted article jberryhill Dec 2019 #13
The facility is run by the Sheriff .. Historic NY Dec 2019 #8
She holds the keys to open her cell in her hands. NutmegYankee Dec 2019 #12
Solution: start singing sister. nt oasis Dec 2019 #16
Manning can walk out of jail any time she chooses to... brooklynite Dec 2019 #17

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
1. I can't gin up too much sympathy for Manning in this case.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:44 PM
Dec 2019

This is what happens when a person refuses to comply with a legitimate court order. Manning seems to think she's above the law.

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
4. The US prison system certainly is harsh and needs reform.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:58 PM
Dec 2019

But I'm going to disagree with the UN guy on the whole issue of prosecuting Russian agent Julian Assange. Once again Manning doesn't just get to blow off court orders with impunity. It's no worse for Manning than any of the non-celebrities in prison. She could walk out of jail today by agreeing to testify in the Wikileaks case.

Sorry but I am not OK with the Russian supported espionage carried out by Wikileaks in support of Donald Trump's election.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. This person has no familiarity with Manning's conditions of incarceration
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:50 PM
Dec 2019

None.

Would you care to describe what, specifically, this person independently assessed or inspected?

The upshot of the letter is that this person, who has no authority over anything in particular, believes that imprisonment for contempt is inherently “coercive detention”.

Well, duh, yes it is. That is indeed the POINT of imprisonment for contempt.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. People need to make up their minds whether they want the rule of law or not
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:48 PM
Dec 2019

She is refusing to comply with a legitimate court order to testify before a grand jury.

She is not "special".

She is going to stay in jail until she decides that the law applies to her too.

Although that could work out well for her, since she has no other means of supporting herself aside from being a professional jackass, beggar, and alt-right stooge.

Abnredleg

(669 posts)
7. It can be torture...
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:25 PM
Dec 2019

Or not. Depends on duration. While it often abused in our prisons, in this situation it is self-inflicted and Manning can end it at any time. If it is torture, the she’s the torturer.

She’s a traitor and gets no sympathy from me.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
10. if the duration is more than a few weeks
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:15 PM
Dec 2019

Solitary confinement is considered to be a form of psychological torture with measurable long-term physiological effects when the period of confinement is longer than a few weeks or is continued indefinitely.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/almost-addicted/201801/solitary-confinement-torture-pure-and-simple%3famp

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. "sometimes in solitary confinement"
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

Try reading the piece instead of making stuff up.

Did she threaten suicide again, like she did last time, and then claim that suicide watch was "torture"?

You think she is safer in a general population of prisoners who know damned well she can leave whenever she wants?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. Read the slanted article
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:41 PM
Dec 2019

Not even the slanted article in the OP suggests she is being held in solitary for any significant length of time - "sometimes in solitary confinement".

The last time she was locked up, she threatened suicide and had to be kept under watch with no means to hurt herself - and the nitwit supporters of hers called that torture too.

You want to put her in the general population when every other prisoner there knows she can walk out any time she wants?

How about you go dig up the actual reasons why she is being kept apart from the general population, rather than some propaganda piece.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
12. She holds the keys to open her cell in her hands.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:33 PM
Dec 2019

All she has to do is comply with the court order. Is it really torture if it's voluntary?

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